Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC2]

In the US, our SBP problems would be solved by asking help from some "Goodfellas." haha

I was actually imagining a Star Wars world at times. Jedi mind tricks would be useful.

Mind tricks only work on weak-minded people, though.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

There you go!

I wonder how Gilas would have faired vs. South Korea in last year's 3rd window of the Asia Cup qualifiers had it was Choke Reyes who coached Gilas? That is given of course that Choke Reyes had the same preparation & training period with Gilas that coach Tab got.

You would see your typical PBA plays and lineup, his comfort zone 3-4 guard midget lineup in the first half and once he sees that shit get torched by the taller, well coordinated Koreans(as a team) he would try to go big with Troy Rosario/Wil Navarro, Balti and Sotto and fail miserably. Final quarter you'd probably see Bolick, Montalbo, Pogoy, Kouame and Sotto on the floor at once down 20 points. You will never ever see the kind of liberty that Kai, Navarro, Dwight, Balti and Tamayo had under Tab. It would be a Bolick, Pogoy, Wright, Fajardo, Japeth mascot team, a shitty branding campaign(pba) that plays shit basketball instead of a well developed fundamental team that could perform well both individually and as a unit.

 

[IPC2]

Wait, that's our national team program? Sounds more like a national recruitment agency LOL..

If that's the case, then Chot would frankly be better in a Perasol role. Seems to be a good recruiter. However, like Perasol, Chot needs to find a competent coach who can handle the tactics while he manages the player recruitment and all that.

Look at UP. We recruited well, got a good coach in Goldwin, and there. A nice offensive system, discipline (for the most part, no thanks to Ricci), and tough defense, plus tactical adjustments from Goldwin got us the championship.

Pero, since it's the SBP management and Chot we're talking about, ayun. No long-term program.

 

[CoJ2]

If that's the case, then Chot would frankly be better in a Perasol role. Seems to be a good recruiter. However, like Perasol, Chot needs to find a competent coach who can handle the tactics while he manages the player recruitment and all that.

Look at UP. We recruited well, got a good coach in Goldwin, and there. A nice offensive system, discipline (for the most part, no thanks to Ricci), and tough defense, plus tactical adjustments from Goldwin got us the championship.

Pero, since it's the SBP management and Chot we're talking about, ayun. No long-term program.

lol at the subtle Ricci diss, I share your sentiments, freaking fuccboi almost cost UP the championship, he better not pull those antics at the FIBA windows

 

[jasper2222]

lol at the subtle Ricci diss, I share your sentiments, freaking fuccboi almost cost UP the championship, he better not pull those antics at the FIBA windows

I actually don't want Ricci in Gilas. His defense is suspect against superior talent and he doesn't shoot that well from outside to be a legitimate outside threat, like a Heading and/or a Lassiter.

 

[dubidub2]

i'd really want to see 3x3 ricci again tho.

 

[CoJ2]

I actually don't want Ricci in Gilas. His defense is suspect against superior talent and he doesn't shoot that well from outside to be a legitimate outside threat, like a Heading and/or a Lassiter.

look at the bright side, he'll increase the female (and sponky) demographic of Gilas. hehe

i'd really want to see 3x3 ricci again tho.

This, his skill set seems to be a good fit in 3x3 competition. Ricci, Kobe Paras with Coach Ayo would look good in the chooks to go team

 

[jasper2222]

look at the bright side, he'll increase the female (and sponky) demographic of Gilas. hehe

That's fine. I'll be spreading the Gospel of Tab Baldwin to them in the meantime, hehehe

 

[Marsh Mello2]

Liwag and Concepcion cut from the gilas lineup. Carino and Rivero joins the lineup

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...qLGxdCv5mRWmKF2jN7oWJvOGWtEiqaKajHNPE-1IZhFWA

 

[IPC2]

Liwag and Concepcion cut from the gilas lineup. Carino and Rivero joins the lineup

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...qLGxdCv5mRWmKF2jN7oWJvOGWtEiqaKajHNPE-1IZhFWA

Shame for Liwag. I woulda wanted him to develop further with Gilas. Oh well, hope he gets invited in the February window.

 

[Dotch2]

Liwag and Concepcion cut from the gilas lineup. Carino and Rivero joins the lineup

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...qLGxdCv5mRWmKF2jN7oWJvOGWtEiqaKajHNPE-1IZhFWA

Finally a Carino sighting. I was wondering why the selection committee ( if there's one) didn't include his name in the first place. Dude is 6'8, has FIBA experience and has played more pro games than most players in the pool.

 

[Rds2]

Finally a Carino sighting. I was wondering why the selection committee ( if there's one) didn't include his name in the first place. Dude is 6'8, has FIBA experience and has played more pro games than most players in the pool.

This is good news. He is a decent defensive big. Thin but decent laterals.

 

[noyce2]

Finally a Carino sighting. I was wondering why the selection committee ( if there's one) didn't include his name in the first place. Dude is 6'8, has FIBA experience and has played more pro games than most players in the pool.

most likely the Balti pullout allowed the Carino inclusion. hopefully he can show much more as a stretch 4 or 5 in this iteration, and dislodges Geo Chiu (if still no improvement) in the final cut

 

[ARMIR2]

Finally a Carino sighting. I was wondering why the selection committee ( if there's one) didn't include his name in the first place. Dude is 6'8, has FIBA experience and has played more pro games than most players in the pool.

I thought he's 6'9,did he stopped growing at 15,like an average Filipino? He was 6'8 at U16 projected to grow 6'10,so he didn't grow an inch?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Liwag and Concepcion cut from the gilas lineup. Carino and Rivero joins the lineup

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...qLGxdCv5mRWmKF2jN7oWJvOGWtEiqaKajHNPE-1IZhFWA

I have no panghihinayang on Concepcion getting cut. I don't see him that serviceable either at present or in the future.

On Liwag, I think he is a good prospect, maybe its just that its not yet his time. Hope he'll be invited back in the Gilas pool next time around

 

[Rds2]

I thought he's 6'9,did he stopped growing at 15,like an average Filipino? He was 6'8 at U16 projected to grow 6'10,so he didn't grow an inch?

He looked talker than Balti but not as long. So 6'8 or 6'9 would be correct.

 

[reamily2]

Whats our law for refugees (example Ukrainians) if we accept the the people who has athletic potential, we might be hitting two birds at one stone

 

[IPC2]

There you go!

I wonder how Gilas would have faired vs. South Korea in last year's 3rd window of the Asia Cup qualifiers had it was Choke Reyes who coached Gilas? That is given of course that Choke Reyes had the same preparation & training period with Gilas that coach Tab got.

We wouldve lost. First he would have relegated Balti as PF and backup C. No 3 pt shots. No perimeter play. Navarro would have barely played because he is not good enough as a DDO 3. Dwight would only be pre Gilas level Dwight. He was not impressive in the US and we could credit Tabs program for his development. Kai wouldve been limited to an abangers big. No leading the secondary break. No drives.

So Chot wouldve brought in his TNT boys, Pogoy, Rosario and Erram. Pogoy would have played 3. Even with Kouame and Kai, we wouldve been blownout by 20 to 30 pts.Hyun Jung Lee wouldve run circles on Troy

Chot would have probably brought in Wright too. Problem is, Troy and Wright have been shown to be defensive liabilities, especially in the SEA Games. Even Pogoy became a defensive liability. Thing with Chot is, he prefers offensive players, even at the expense of our defense. That explains his fondness for 3-guard lineups, putting guys like Chan, Wright, and Pogoy at 3. They aren't good team defenders. Worse, the first and second guards aren't usually good defenders too.

In contrast to Tab, he put in Dwight, Navarro, and even Balti at 3. All three could defend. In fact, he had Mike Nieto and Isaac Go as good team defenders as well, not to mention Kouame. Defense-first talaga.

In order to win, I think we have to focus on defense. I don't think Chot's that guy as a coach, seeing as he will sacrifice defense for offense, but won't do the reverse.

 

[IPC2]

malakas sa PBA si Pogoy, pero bano talaga sa international stage hays

Tbh, I'd rather have Abueva rt now over him in intl. even with his shenanigans lol.

I agree. at least abueva brings intensity and grit that the national team lacks most of the time.

Yeah, Abueva would have been good too. Despite his lack of size at the 3 and shooting ability, and his tendency to get into unnecessary shenanigans, his hustle, grit, and physicality helps us a lot. He's one of the few undersized wings I'd take for Gilas.

 

[ja.he2]

Whats our law for refugees (example Ukrainians) if we accept the the people who has athletic potential, we might be hitting two birds at one stone

we can take ukrainian families (with their children), naturalized the parents through judicial process. once naturalized, they will become filipino citizens. their children, too, will become filipino citizens without undergoing the grueling naturalization process, provided that they permanently reside here.