Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral2]

24 year olds shouldnt really be academy though.

well honestly the pathway looks like Mason Amos coming in as a teenager , then spending like 5 years in Ateneo, then doing a Raffy Verano ( play in B- league etc) .
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2022/...V7WDKhQ8JS_agCRqX8Kix2Yiu9NKteK4NrFUKOhbIsuOQ

That's not bad career pathway, to impart teaching to.. ending up in getting an education and paid professionally. and along the lines produce some capable national team players

 

[Sikatrix2]

well honestly the pathway looks like Mason Amos coming in as a teenager , then spending like 5 years in Ateneo, then doing a Raffy Verano ( play in B- league etc) .
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2022/...V7WDKhQ8JS_agCRqX8Kix2Yiu9NKteK4NrFUKOhbIsuOQ

That's not bad career pathway, to impart teaching to.. ending up in getting an education and paid professionally. and along the lines produce some capable national team players

Someone like Mason or other Fil Fors are different since theyve come from a different academy setup. If they end up in the Philippines, thats where there talent led them. Its not easy to play here as many fil fors can attest to. But to be honest, were are sorely lacking in an actual academy setup.

 

[DAdmiral2]

^
And to me "academy" set-up should be the focus for development. if it means drawing the dwights . Amos and even Philips to the Philippines and possbily even BG , then so be it.

 

[Sikatrix2]

^
And to me "academy" set-up should be the focus for development. if it means drawing the dwights . Amos and even Philips to the Philippines and possbily even BG , then so be it.

I want an academy setup that will actually produce NBA level talent. What we have right now has never done that. Ateneo and La Salle can and have produced talent for the national team but to truly compete we need more than the UAAP.

 

[reamily2]

Please use English language in your Post or Translate your post in English Thank you

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

SBP being the country's basketball body doesn't have that so called academy considering that grass root development are mandatory on all sports association, we really need a hardcore minded basketball guy to run the show rather than a corporate dudes moonlighting as a basketball officials.

 

[Rds2]

I think an Academy to complex an endeavour. Which country can we pattern from? I would like us to look at Japan. They dont have many tall players but they have produced NBA players and other international leaguers. I heard it is their HS basketball program. Does somebody know what their program is?

 

[DAdmiral2]

I'm involved in running an academy in Wellington (this is where Steven Adams developed). The model is quite similar to how Japan does it , where every summer we bring the too player to the US for training and exposure, also the top US college coaches visit the academy to look at a pipeline.
Essentially it's geared for the prospects to make Div 1 colleges (we've sent around 50 high school players to US colleges).
I say it's similar to Japan cause their top prospects while in high school like Watanabe, Rui are all exposed to US colleges and while in high school locally they're are trained with that in mind. So regardless if they're the tallest in their high school they play the perimeter, even if it may result in their team losing.
As an example Gold and Tafaro from our academy who are 6'10 play the perimeter but their high school teams lose to our undersize high School team LOL

 

[Rds2]

I'm involved in running an academy in Wellington (this is where Steven Adams developed). The model is quite similar to how Japan does it , where every summer we bring the too player to the US for training and exposure, also the top US college coaches visit the academy to look at a pipeline.
Essentially it's geared for the prospects to make Div 1 colleges (we've sent around 50 high school players to US colleges).
I say it's similar to Japan cause their top prospects while in high school like Watanabe, Rui are all exposed to US colleges and while in high school locally they're are trained with that in mind. So regardless if they're the tallest in their high school they play the perimeter, even if it may result in their team losing.
As an example Gold and Tafaro from our academy who are 6'10 play the perimeter but their high school teams lose to our undersize high School team LOL

This I think is worth emulating. SBP however has to intervene in the HS level. Identify HS players who have the height and mobility to be international players. Train them to be perimeter players. In summer expose them to US competition. Then hopefully they can go to US college. We havent had a home grown go to US college. Its high time we did.

The problem here is what incentive to give the schools to take in such a prospect. As a gangly perimeter player he wont help the HS. He wont even go to their college. Maybe the SBP gives a tuition fee fund for the kid while he is in the program to pay for thr kids tuition fee while he is in said school.

 

[zairex2]

Rui never had a good outside shot during high school. He develop that in Gonzaga. I watch his high school games he played center and mostly inside plays.

 

[barok espinoza2]

don't we have a national academy for sports in clark which grants full scholarship to qualified high school level athletes? the deped should just partner with the private sector so its program for the academy could include basketball. at the moment they're just focusing on individual sports.

 

[IPC2]

Whether we like it or not, the endgame is they're still fielding a PBA-centric national team for the WC next year. To them, it's a matter of breathing life into a dying league.

We'll probably see the return of Bolick and Perez and possibly Romeo. Junemar will probably be asked to join again along with either Erram or Japeth. Then they'll throw in some outsiders like Edu, Dwight, Thirdy, and move heaven and earth to get Parks again for the sake of success. Remember, it's the PBA's life source that is at stake here.

Of course, the big guns will be the NBA-level talents like Kai and Clarkson, and if the latter is allowed to play as a local, another brownlee-type super import who's highly reliable at both ends of the floor.

It's most likely a goodbye to the Baltazars and the Tamayos and to genuine grassroots development.

Perez, Bolick, Kiefer, maybe June Mar, Japeth, and probably Erram and Scottie would be fine. Along with Oftana, that's all I'm taking from the PBA, for the pool. Yes, the PBA also has Lee, Terrence, and Marcio, but we already have Heading and Dwight for their roles. And not another tourney with Pogoy, Troy, and Wright, who have all massively underperformed.

If the PBA barges in and interferes, man. When will these guys realize that good PBA players don't necessarily make good FIBA players?

These PBA officials within the SBP are smart. Shame that they don't use that to develop our program and instead use it to help the PBA's image.

 

[Stevy2]

Is Nenad Vucinic taking over Gilas job from Chot permanently? Nope

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...at-gilas-a1374-20220603?ref=home_featured_big

THE Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas' (SBP) announcement on Thursday that Nenad Vucinic will be taking over from Chot Reyes to coach Gilas Pilipinas in the coming window of the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was met with more questions than answers.

Foremost of which was: 'Is the change permanent?'

Deluged by questions in our comments section, we sought out SBP officials, some of whom have made themselves scarce these days after Gilas' horrific loss to Indonesia in the gold-medal game of the Hanoi SEA Games.

But we fortunately got hold of one and, asked if Reyes is still in charge, both as Gilas coach and program director of the SBP, his answer was an emphatic, "YES!!!"

Digging deeper, we learned that Vucinic taking over for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was already part of the plan drawn up by Reyes upon his return to the national team job following Tab Baldwin's controversial exit.

The set-up also works out well for Reyes since he has to return to coach TNT Tropang GIGA in the PBA Philippine Cup, which will coincide with the buildup for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers against New Zealand in Auckland on June 30 and India at Mall of Asia Arena on July 3.

The Fiba window would be the first head-coaching job for Vucinic with the Philippine national team since he was brought in by Baldwin as a consultant. Vucinic served as one of Baldwin's assistants at New Zealand before taking over the Tall Black's coaching position in 2007.

But regardless of the Gilas result, SBP insiders assured that Reyes will be back on the job, even as early as the Fiba Asia Cup in Indonesia come mid-July.

 

[IPC2]

Is Nenad Vucinic taking over Gilas job from Chot permanently? Nope

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...at-gilas-a1374-20220603?ref=home_featured_big

THE Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas' (SBP) announcement on Thursday that Nenad Vucinic will be taking over from Chot Reyes to coach Gilas Pilipinas in the coming window of the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was met with more questions than answers.

Foremost of which was: 'Is the change permanent?'

Deluged by questions in our comments section, we sought out SBP officials, some of whom have made themselves scarce these days after Gilas' horrific loss to Indonesia in the gold-medal game of the Hanoi SEA Games.

But we fortunately got hold of one and, asked if Reyes is still in charge, both as Gilas coach and program director of the SBP, his answer was an emphatic, "YES!!!"

Digging deeper, we learned that Vucinic taking over for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers was already part of the plan drawn up by Reyes upon his return to the national team job following Tab Baldwin's controversial exit.

The set-up also works out well for Reyes since he has to return to coach TNT Tropang GIGA in the PBA Philippine Cup, which will coincide with the buildup for the Fiba World Cup qualifiers against New Zealand in Auckland on June 30 and India at Mall of Asia Arena on July 3.

The Fiba window would be the first head-coaching job for Vucinic with the Philippine national team since he was brought in by Baldwin as a consultant. Vucinic served as one of Baldwin's assistants at New Zealand before taking over the Tall Black's coaching position in 2007.

But regardless of the Gilas result, SBP insiders assured that Reyes will be back on the job, even as early as the Fiba Asia Cup in Indonesia come mid-July.

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

 

[noyce2]

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

i'm not sure if Nenad is a win-at-all-cost guy (maybe not, more of a "process" guy), but if we want Chot to be out, Nenad has to win over NZL in WCQ. i hope he is up to the challenge.

 

[mapuakid2]

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

Tnt - Hybrid Team lol

 

[digitalsuperman2]

So, August window onwards will be Chot at the helm. Crap.

Thing is, the only players available for the August and February windows would be TNT and the UAAP players.

Who am I kidding? The PBA accommodated Chot and TNT, so it's very likely we'll see the Gilas Baldog Brothers here.

yup until 2023.

 

[Dotch2]

I want an academy setup that will actually produce NBA level talent. What we have right now has never done that. Ateneo and La Salle can and have produced talent for the national team but to truly compete we need more than the UAAP.

Right now, a SBP-connected Basketball Academy can be seen as a recruitment tool to funnel young prospects to Ateneo or San Beda. As long as MVP controls SBP, any basketaball academy associated with the federation, is a conflict of interest

 

[IPC2]

Bad thing is UAAP players will be not available in September window and November window... So we will see TNT + B-League boys from windows 4 and 5....

Window is August 22-30, so the UAAP guys might be available. It's Window 5 that we should be worried about, since that's the window where they won't be available.

 

[zairex2]

Window is August 22-30, so the UAAP guys might be available. It's Window 5 that we should be worried about, since that's the window where they won't be available.

If the opening of UAAP is in September, just like February window, players will b barred by their school