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JAMSKIE2
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Chot's offense in the SEA Games is actually similar to Tab's offense. Only difference is, Tab's team executed better.
Chot would throw his usual excuse that coach Tab had the luxury of a much longer preparation/training of Tab's Gilas team last year than this current Gilas playing in the SEA Games.
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JAMSKIE2
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Good luck against SoKor. They killed Chot's team (without defensive coordinators) with zone, and a 60+ percent clip from 3. Two kryptonites against a Chot-led team.
At least Chot's kinda making an effort to adjust offensively. Need a better defense.
I hate to agree with U on this but history tells me you're absolutely right. But to Chot's credit, he beat Korea in that semifinal showdown of the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship held in Manila which of course was very historic.
The 2 Gilas wins over South Korea last year only indicates that coach Tab knows how to beat the Korea. Tab knows how to defend the koreans.
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JAMSKIE2
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I think that’s the reason Vucinic is in the coaching staff. To instill Tab Baldwin’s defensive philosophy.
But Vucinic's presence is hardly being felt so far (you know what I mean). Well maybe not yet since this current Gilas SEA Games team only had limited time of training.
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IPC2
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Chot would throw his usual excuse that coach Tab had the luxury of a much longer preparation/training of Tab's Gilas team last year than this current Gilas playing in the SEA Games.
But Vucinic's presence is hardly being felt so far (you know what I mean). Well maybe not yet since this current Gilas SEA Games team only had limited time of training.
It's also probably the players. Tab's 2021 team executed better offensively and played better defense than the PBA pros, and had better players on D at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. The younger guys looked sharper and more willing to learn.
Granted, we had no choice at the time, but that was a success as far as FIBA is concerned.
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IPC2
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I hate to agree with U on this but history tells me you're absolutely right. But to Chot's credit, he beat Korea in that semifinal showdown of the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship held in Manila which of course was very historic.
The 2 Gilas wins over South Korea last year only indicates that coach Tab knows how to beat the Korea. Tab knows how to defend the koreans.
That 2013 win, we defended SoKor better. We had Tab and Norman Black, two defensive coaches, as assistants in that win. Marcus Douthit and Ping kinda helped too.
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JAMSKIE2
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I remember about a year ago, there was this debate/discussion here at IBN about which has the better wings serviceable for FIBA competitions, PBA or the Gilas cadets.
PBA had Wright, Pogoy, CJ Perez, Parks, Norwood as its top wings. Gilas on the other hand have Thirdy, Dwight Ramos, Dave Ildefonso, Kobe Paras, Will Navarro, Rey Suerte as its wings.
I think it has become obvious that Ramos & Thirdy are doing better than Wright & Pogoy playing in FIBA or other international tourneys. I think among the PBA wings, its Perez & Parks who could be shoo-ins if ever they are named to the Gilas pool. But then again, they're availability would be a huge question mark. Perez is with SMC, while Parks' willingness to play for Gilas has always been a question mark
I strongly believe that in a year or 2, Dave Ildefonso will be a shoo-in for Gilas at the wings.
PBA had Wright, Pogoy, CJ Perez, Parks, Norwood as its top wings. Gilas on the other hand have Thirdy, Dwight Ramos, Dave Ildefonso, Kobe Paras, Will Navarro, Rey Suerte as its wings.
I think it has become obvious that Ramos & Thirdy are doing better than Wright & Pogoy playing in FIBA or other international tourneys. I think among the PBA wings, its Perez & Parks who could be shoo-ins if ever they are named to the Gilas pool. But then again, they're availability would be a huge question mark. Perez is with SMC, while Parks' willingness to play for Gilas has always been a question mark
I strongly believe that in a year or 2, Dave Ildefonso will be a shoo-in for Gilas at the wings.
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Rds2
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After the SEA games, Chot will probably have most of our younger players at his disposal. Now is the time to pick players who have good size and mobility and might be trainable for smaller positions. We dont have many bigs though. So I agree younger guys like Quiambao should be included.
I havent seen Chot train guys for smaller positions. I only heard him say we only have short players thats why we do DDO. He will have a chance now or at least his assistants. Because he will be busy in the PBA.
I havent seen Chot train guys for smaller positions. I only heard him say we only have short players thats why we do DDO. He will have a chance now or at least his assistants. Because he will be busy in the PBA.
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IPC2
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After the SEA games, Chot will probably have most of our younger players at his disposal. Now is the time to pick players who have good size and mobility and might be trainable for smaller positions. We dont have many bigs though. So I agree younger guys like Quiambao should be included.
I havent seen Chot train guys for smaller positions. I only heard him say we only have short players thats why we do DDO. He will have a chance now or at least his assistants. Because he will be busy in the PBA.
Like I said in the qualifiers thread, the PBA's in conflict with not only the Asia Cup, but also every one of the WC qualifying windows. Good news is, colleges won't have their season in the FIBA Asia Cup, and three of the four remaining windows. So no choice but to call up the B.League boys and college players. Hope for good-sized players at 3, though. We'll need Navarro, Lopez, Javi, and maybe Anonuevo, Lazaro, Torculas, and even Caelum.
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Rds2
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Like I said in the qualifiers thread, the PBA's in conflict with not only the Asia Cup, but also every one of the WC qualifying windows. Good news is, colleges won't have their season in the FIBA Asia Cup, and three of the four remaining windows. So no choice but to call up the B.League boys and college players. Hope for good-sized players at 3, though. We'll need Navarro, Lopez, Javi, and maybe Anonuevo, Lazaro, Torculas, and even Caelum.
Yes. This is what I was saying. Im just trying to emphasize developing players with potential to international size positions. Tab did it with decent results. Will Chot do it? This is the time for him to do it if he has plans to.
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JAMSKIE2
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I just think that this loss to Indonesia would be a blessing in disguised as it would motivate Gilas, SBP & coach Chot to work much harder for future international competitions specially in the coming Asia Cup & the 3rd window of the 2023 World Cup qualifiers.
We need this rude awakening to make things better.
If this loss to Indonesia would translate to the betterment of Philippine basketball, then I'll take it without any hesitation. In all honestly, I don't give a damn about SEA Games basketball
We need this rude awakening to make things better.
If this loss to Indonesia would translate to the betterment of Philippine basketball, then I'll take it without any hesitation. In all honestly, I don't give a damn about SEA Games basketball
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IPC2
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Get Goldwin Monteverde in the staff?: https://twitter.com/karlolovenia/status/1528316101645324288?s=20&t=BxiPfSRwm5Z7f6Gc59GJ4A
He makes use of talent, has a good system on offense predicated on pushing the pace, can coach good defense, with which he actually beat Tab in the UAAP finals.
He makes use of talent, has a good system on offense predicated on pushing the pace, can coach good defense, with which he actually beat Tab in the UAAP finals.
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digitalsuperman2
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I just think that this loss to Indonesia would be a blessing in disguised as it would motivate Gilas, SBP & coach Chot to work much harder for future international competitions specially in the coming Asia Cup & the 3rd window of the 2023 World Cup qualifiers.
We need this rude awakening to make things better.
If this loss to Indonesia would translate to the betterment of Philippine basketball, then I'll take it without any hesitation. In all honestly, I don't give a damn about SEA Games basketball
nah. i dont think pba will change. indonesians will continue to develop they still have a youth program. they do have 2 africans waiting to be develop and should be ready for next year. toroman is fast tracking their development for fiba asia cup. good job from toroman and his coaching staff.
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novice2
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I just think that this loss to Indonesia would be a blessing in disguised as it would motivate Gilas, SBP & coach Chot to work much harder for future international competitions specially in the coming Asia Cup & the 3rd window of the 2023 World Cup qualifiers.
We need this rude awakening to make things better.
If this loss to Indonesia would translate to the betterment of Philippine basketball, then I'll take it without any hesitation. In all honestly, I don't give a damn about SEA Games basketball
Same take here. I look at this as a much needed slap to get the SBP back to reality.
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sajubeads2
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I just think that this loss to Indonesia would be a blessing in disguised as it would motivate Gilas, SBP & coach Chot to work much harder for future international competitions specially in the coming Asia Cup & the 3rd window of the 2023 World Cup qualifiers.
We need this rude awakening to make things better.
If this loss to Indonesia would translate to the betterment of Philippine basketball, then I'll take it without any hesitation. In all honestly, I don't give a damn about SEA Games basketball
So Chot wint be fired? Come on MVP....If you wont fire Chot,ikaw na lang magresign...
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mangangalakal2
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So Chot wint be fired? Come on MVP....If you wont fire Chot,ikaw na lang magresign...
IMO MVP personally wants to walk away from it all but he wants to finish what he started. He'll be retiring after the world cup nman eh
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digitalsuperman2
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IMO MVP personally wants to walk away from it all but he wants to finish what he started. He'll be retiring after the world cup nman eh
after 2023 he might walk away. so many will get their wish.
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IPC2
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tab was the one who walked away from gilas and SBP cannot force anyone to coach. hope tab and the kids will be back for fiba asia cup with sotto,edu and also hope he includes lopez.
Yeah at this point I also believe Tab walked away. He didnt say otherwise despite multiple chances to.
Whatever the case, SBP shoulda picked someone who would continue the direction that Tab put the Gilas program in. Instead, change of direction a year before 2023.
We were already in a good direction, e. Good execution, teamwork, and development for the FIBA game, and maybe for overseas leagues. Oh, man. Nice job with the change of direction.
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IPC2
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Hot take in twitter right here:
https://twitter.com/dino_mars/status/1528321007093977091
Even Greg is saying something also
Long Hair as SBP Chief? hmmm is he willing to hire a foreign coach and naturalize players for Gilas? or the 2019 Windows with him cooperating with SBP would be the preview of his SBP leadership.
Question is, would they hire a coach with the same vision, or a similar one to Tab? Would they focus on developing players for FIBA, or would they just prepare the players for the PBA?
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IPC2
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C2G are the good guys for me. Their 3x3 program is world class and it is disgraceful that the SBP and PBA are sabotaging their program. However, the PBA despises his guts, and MVP does not like him that much as well, so the PBA/Ateneo players are out with C2G. With him on the board, they would likely have to rely on UP players more. Might see Ayo/Gold be the HC for gilas.
In an ideal world, it should be C2G or Alaska as head of the SBP.
Yeah, we might have to rely on UP players more. Goldwin's no Tab, despite having beat Tab in the last UAAP Finals, but he could be an up-and-comer.
Hope he has a similar vision to Tab when it comes to player development.
Perasol could be useful as a recruiter too.