Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[C2Hamm2]

so what's the point of the Special Gilas draft then? plus looks like the Nteam for 2023 will be dominated by PBA players, goodbye long term player devt

there was a point when CTB was the head of Gilas as he was trying to not need PBA while having warm bodies waiting for his core players. Now that he and his direction is gone, wala na silbi yun special draft

 

[Ville Ur2]

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Who started making excuses that their senior team did not have players and lack preperation last February?

Yup puro 2nd tier bench NBL players are sent and they live and die no excuses with the bench warmers who practice for 2 days

I really believe it boils down to the system you are used to. Kahit bench warmers pa yan pero same system nman alam nila since nasama sila sa any National team (youth level to Senior teams), may pagasa pa rin talaga manalo kahit ilan days lang nagpractice mga yan kaysa nman papalit palit ng sistema at wala direction kahit 3 months pa yan magpractice, dehado pa rin yan manalo. just saying.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

I really believe it boils down to the system you are used to. Kahit bench warmers pa yan pero same system nman alam nila since nasama sila sa any National team (youth level to Senior teams), may pagasa pa rin talaga manalo kahit ilan days lang nagpractice mga yan kaysa nman papalit palit ng sistema at wala direction kahit 3 months pa yan magpractice, dehado pa rin yan manalo. just saying.

Depends also on the gap of Starters and Bench warmers. Or in this case, the gap of team A and team B.

It should work both ways. Coaching System and Players Talent.

Kailangan di rin trash mga players. I mean at least respectable.


The Ideal Will always be Best Coaching System + Best Talented Players.

But of course with this window format, it will not always be the case

 

[Enforcer2]

I really believe it boils down to the system you are used to. Kahit bench warmers pa yan pero same system nman alam nila since nasama sila sa any National team (youth level to Senior teams), may pagasa pa rin talaga manalo kahit ilan days lang nagpractice mga yan kaysa nman papalit palit ng sistema at wala direction kahit 3 months pa yan magpractice, dehado pa rin yan manalo. just saying.

its always boils down to the system i agree. just look at new zealand even though they sent their b team in the last fiba window they still played like a well oiled machine. sa gilas naman laging nagpapalit ng coach naturally the players need to adjust & adapt to the new system in a short span of time.

 

[IPC2]

its always boils down to the system i agree. just look at new zealand even though they sent their b team in the last fiba window they still played like a well oiled machine. sa gilas naman laging nagpapalit ng coach naturally the players need to adjust & adapt to the new system in a short span of time.

And therein lies the problem. Gilas should have a consistent system starting from the youth level, going from NZ and Aussie basketball, and if I may use football examples, Ajax and Barcelona in Europe. Same system from youth to the senior team, and the coach must have that system as a base, adjusting when necessary.

I think to start, Gilas should first focus on defense as a primary identity, then moving the ball and everyone, including the stars, scoring within the flow of the offense. Seems not very likely that Chot will focus on defense, but who knows, let's see.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

We Went From Coach Rajko to Coach Chot to Coach Tab to Coach Chot again to Coach Yeng to Coach Tab then go back to Coach Chot again.

Yes, I agree that the changing of Coach and system is a big factor. Ok sana if we play the same system even if we change coach. Kumbaga, Rotation and Player Picking lang Naiba.

Like when Coach Jong handled Gilas Last Year. He applied Coach Tab's system. Sya lang nagbalasa ng tao. He just rotated the players

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Also, What is the system that we will apply if ever. As constant system.

DDO
Motion
European
Swing

Coach Tab actually didnt used Purely European. More of a Swing Offense sya. It is Coach Tab's defense which is superior talaga.

Most of us will say European. Unfortunately, so Far we do not have a Filipino Coach who are a Master of European plays. So, we will need to assign a European Coach to do it. But as always BCAP and Local Coaches, some of them may opposed to foreign coaches

 

[CoJ2]

We Went From Coach Rajko to Coach Chot to Coach Tab to Coach Chot again to Coach Yeng to Coach Tab then go back to Coach Chot again.

Yes, I agree that the changing of Coach and system is a big factor. Ok sana if we play the same system even if we change coach. Kumbaga, Rotation and Player Picking lang Naiba.

Like when Coach Jong handled Gilas Last Year. He applied Coach Tab's system. Sya lang nagbalasa ng tao. He just rotated the players

consistency and long term plan is not in the vocab of SBP, we always press the reset button every 2 years

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

And therein lies the problem. Gilas should have a consistent system starting from the youth level, going from NZ and Aussie basketball, and if I may use football examples, Ajax and Barcelona in Europe. Same system from youth to the senior team, and the coach must have that system as a base, adjusting when necessary.

I think to start, Gilas should first focus on defense as a primary identity, then moving the ball and everyone, including the stars, scoring within the flow of the offense. Seems not very likely that Chot will focus on defense, but who knows, let's see.

"Moving the Ball and Everyone scoring within the flow of offense".

This is very unpinoy like.

It is common in streets. The Your Turn My Turn Play.

If Us IBN Posters here will have a fun basketball game. I bet we will apply "Your Turn, My Turn" play too. Lol.

But yes, For Organized Basketball from Batang Gilas to Senior. I hope there will be a set system. So, There will be no confusion, and there will be continuity

 

[IPC2]

Knowing Coach Chot. He may use Wright, Pogoy, and Heading as a Small SF shooter kinda. Hehe.

But yep, Hopefully he goes taller this time in SF in Oftana or Navarro.

Btw, I dont think Navarro and Coach Chot Fit with Each other. But let's see

He also used Gabe as our starting SF when we had him. Defense, ballhandling, and the occasional 3-ball. So we might see Caelum or Lebron grow into that role, with additional scoring. Oftana's more 3-and-D.

Gabe was an outlier. He was a 6'6 PG with the skills, athleticism and laterals to play it decently. Even in the US his skills for his height was a bit rare. He didnt have a broken shot. He had the makings of becoming our version of Lebron. But for some reason he didnt want to shoot.

If Dwight blew away his college projection. Gabe was the opposite. How can a player with that athleticism and skill not be a superstar?

So no. Chot doesnt deserve Kudos for playing Norwood at SF. And no. We dont have any player with his combination of skill athleticism and height.

If Norwoods skillset is our bar for playing SF then only Dwight can meet it. Heck Pogoy has weaker handles than Norwood. Chot has to lower the skill level bar at SF for his system.

Yeah, lower the offensive skill level bar, I agree. He has to adjust to not-so-skilled taller SFs instead of having to resort to undersized 3-guard lineups. Size and length on defense at that position is more important than offensive skill level.

Re: Lebron and Caelum, I think they have that potential, especially Caelum. Hope they meet it, and if they don't I still hope they can have spots at the wing as good defenders.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Yeah, lower the offensive skill level bar, I agree. He has to adjust to not-so-skilled taller SFs instead of having to resort to undersized 3-guard lineups. Size and length on defense at that position is more important than offensive skill level.

Re: Lebron and Caelum, I think they have that potential, especially Caelum. Hope they meet it, and if they don't I still hope they can have spots at the wing as good defenders.

Coach Chot Be like: Nah, Tall SF only if his skillset is in the level of Brownlee's.

Hahaha. Jk.

Lopez, Caelum, Navarro, Dwight, Oftana, Parks can be the Candidate SF

Baltazar, Tamayo can all have some spot minutes in SF.

But I will not be surprised if Players like Pogoy, Wright, and Thirdy will be put there as a 3rd Guard in the SF spot.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

Also, What is the system that we will apply if ever. As constant system.

DDO
Motion
European
Swing

Coach Tab actually didnt used Purely European. More of a Swing Offense sya. It is Coach Tab's defense which is superior talaga.

Most of us will say European. Unfortunately, so Far we do not have a Filipino Coach who are a Master of European plays. So, we will need to assign a European Coach to do it. But as always BCAP and Local Coaches, some of them may opposed to foreign coaches

Are they really? I think their opposition was more on foreign coaches taking PBA or collegiate coaching jobs.

How much does Gilas coaching pay if ever?

 

[interxavierxxx2]

Coach Chot Be like: Nah, Tall SF only if his skillset is in the level of Brownlee's.

Hahaha. Jk.

Lopez, Caelum, Navarro, Dwight, Oftana, Parks can be the Candidate SF

Baltazar, Tamayo can all have some spot minutes in SF.

But I will not be surprised if Players like Pogoy, Wright, and Thirdy will be put there as a 3rd Guard in the SF spot.

You're not wrong.

I don't think Chot is opposed to a 6'6-6'8 SF as long as he has the skillset. Ang problema? Ayaw ni Chot bigyan ng chance yung mga players with the capability.

I honestly don't see Balti or even Carl playing SF under Chot. He will just treat them like Raymond Almazan or JP Erram.

 

[IPC2]

You're not wrong.

I don't think Chot is opposed to a 6'6-6'8 SF as long as he has the skillset. Ang problema? Ayaw ni Chot bigyan ng chance yung mga players with the capability.

I honestly don't see Balti or even Carl playing SF under Chot. He will just treat them like Raymond Almazan or JP Erram.

Almazan and Erram are just there for picks, rebounds, and spot-up jumpers. Balti and Carl are natural PFs, yes, but come on, kung ganun lang ang gamit, that's a waste of their capabilities. Both can post up and can move to get open for jumpers.

I'm just hoping that Nenad can have some post-up plays for Carl (I feel he's our best low-post player), and off-the screen for threes for both players, and that Chot gives plays to both of them. Sayang kung rebounds, PnR, and kickouts lang.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Almazan and Erram are just there for picks, rebounds, and spot-up jumpers. Balti and Carl are natural PFs, yes, but come on, kung ganun lang ang gamit, that's a waste of their capabilities. Both can post up and can move to get open for jumpers.

I'm just hoping that Nenad can have some post-up plays for Carl (I feel he's our best low-post player), and off-the screen for threes for both players, and that Chot gives plays to both of them. Sayang kung rebounds, PnR, and kickouts lang.

I am actually doubting Carl's Inclusion. (Not sure if Coach Chot is high on him)

Japeth, AJ, and maybe Troy could Replace him in his position under Coach Chot.

I think Balti have a better chance of staying in the Gilas Core

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Troy doesnt have the character to play physical. Mas matapang di hamak si Tamayo

I have Carl Over Troy too.

Just thinking coach Chot may favor Troy

 

[allmight2]

I have Carl Over Troy too.

Just thinking coach Chot may favor Troy

Chot favored an injured troy over navarro

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

I think Besides Oftana. Tolentino may be the next Proper Sized Quality SF in Pba.

What do you think IPC? No Bias Kasi Ginebra tayo ah. Haha

 

[IPC2]

I think Besides Oftana. Tolentino may be the next Proper Sized Quality SF in Pba.

What do you think IPC? No Bias Kasi Ginebra tayo ah. Haha

As for FIBA-eligible, Gabe's ahead of him. Pero OK na ang 3rd.

He has to improve his defense against wings for Gilas consideration, though.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

As for FIBA-eligible, Gabe's ahead of him. Pero OK na ang 3rd.

He has to improve his defense against wings for Gilas consideration, though.

Hmmm. Yeah. Gabe too old though imo.

It is Oftana ans Tolentino's Time now.

I think they are also the best young 6'5ish Pba Pure SF Shooters.

Category Gabe is weakest.

Well, Hopefully Oftana and Tolentino both improve their Perimeter Defense