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IPC2
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Harper Jr who has a chance to be drafted this year, i think the SBP should seriously consider tapping him as part of our NP pool of players by getting him a Philippine passport ASAP. You never know Harper as an option may provide dividends in the next 12 years
there is your SF right there. ( a clear Gilas need)
Harper Jr.'s a combo forward, right? And knowing Chot, I don't think he'll be stationed at 3 unless he can create his own shot, and even if he can create his own, his height might make him a small ball 4. More likely, the likes of Dwight or Thirdy or even Pogoy will be the 3. Hopefully we'll have Tamayo and Baltazar so we can put Harper at 3, alongside Dwight.
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DAdmiral2
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He's listed as a forward (is wide yet mobile) and has guard like skills . His shooting is elite.
It's this reason why putting him with 3 other guard like skill players with decent size in Heading , Dwight and Parks is my take.
I also purposely did not put a natural PG like Kiefer as he would be ball heavy. Essentially I want to play with 4 guards positionless while having decent size . It includes width and wing span . Dwight and Harper are wide and can't be pushed around. This is important when you play small ..
Note Harper is 245 lbs , 6'6 with a long wingspan and is a big 10 defensive player of the year !
Sorry but you lose that advantage if you play Tamayo or Baltazar at 4. (Lose speed and width)
It's this reason why putting him with 3 other guard like skill players with decent size in Heading , Dwight and Parks is my take.
I also purposely did not put a natural PG like Kiefer as he would be ball heavy. Essentially I want to play with 4 guards positionless while having decent size . It includes width and wing span . Dwight and Harper are wide and can't be pushed around. This is important when you play small ..
Note Harper is 245 lbs , 6'6 with a long wingspan and is a big 10 defensive player of the year !
Sorry but you lose that advantage if you play Tamayo or Baltazar at 4. (Lose speed and width)
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BJ_Reloaded2
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In a perfect situation, how about JC, Caelum and Ron Jr. in AG 2022..that’s mouth watering indeed.
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JAMSKIE2
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Phi basketball looked headed in the right direction with Tab Baldwin at the helm. But when drama king Chot Reyes back as Gilas head coach, I'm not that optimistic about Gilas. And parang nawala na rin yung gana ko sa Gilas.
Maganda na sana ang Gilas becoz we have a No. of promising young players eh. But Gilas is handled by an incompetent coach, sayang lang yung talent ng team.
Maganda na sana ang Gilas becoz we have a No. of promising young players eh. But Gilas is handled by an incompetent coach, sayang lang yung talent ng team.
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mathematicianrcg2
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My 5 for Gilas
Kai
Harper Jr
Dwight
Parks
Heading
emphasis on pace and space (outside shooting) , versatility and dynamic shooting of the bounce
I love how it is Kai surrounded by 4 Filams at the Perimeter.
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empyreanmaze2
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I love how it is Kai surrounded by 4 Filams at the Perimeter.
Where else will you get international fit players? the PBA? lol
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empyreanmaze2
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Dalph Panopio going by his Gilas stint also don't seem to be a very ball hungry point guard, he would be a better fit than Heading if his shooting has improved, would be nice to see him have a chance at that 1 spot in the seniors especially with Kai in the picture.
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IPC2
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Where else will you get international fit players? the PBA? lol
UAAP and B.League have more players that are internationally fit, more than what the PBA can offer, especially in the forward positions.
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IPC2
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He's listed as a forward (is wide yet mobile) and has guard like skills . His shooting is elite.
It's this reason why putting him with 3 other guard like skill players with decent size in Heading , Dwight and Parks is my take.
I also purposely did not put a natural PG like Kiefer as he would be ball heavy. Essentially I want to play with 4 guards positionless while having decent size . It includes width and wing span . Dwight and Harper are wide and can't be pushed around. This is important when you play small ..
Note Harper is 245 lbs , 6'6 with a long wingspan and is a big 10 defensive player of the year !
Sorry but you lose that advantage if you play Tamayo or Baltazar at 4. (Lose speed and width)
I did mention that Dwight has the potential to switch 1 through 4. Parks has a strong enough body too.
That's actually sound reasoning for that small ball lineup. Less size, but more versatile defensively, and is just as strong, if not stronger.
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empyreanmaze2
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Honestly I think you would be sacrificing a lot of perimeter defense playing Parks and Dwight at the 2-4, this duo would get scorched by tall shooting teams like China, Iran or Korea. I think they would be fit only if the other team is similar sized. I still think you need to have lanky players with mobility like Wil Navarro for those vital close outs and switches on defense, Parks and Dwight are strong but they don't seem lanky or long so if the other team starts heating up on the 3 point line, not much your defense can do. Imo I think having 2 forwards at the 3-4(Navarro-Tamayo-Balti) is more vital on defense than having 2 shooting guards there no matter how slow footed your forwards are, I think a polished Tamayo and Baltazar can get a reasonable percentage of points that the other team would steal from blow-bys on offense if they are utilized properly. I would still take length over speed because I've seen how fruitless speed is watching Romeo blowing by his Korean defenders a thousand times but still can't carry the team to a W against Korea and this carried on for almost a decade lol.
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live_evil2
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the things is our idiot coaches believe that Filipinos are quicker than others, when they are not. Our world opponents are just as quick, and stronger, and bigger.
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mathematicianrcg2
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Where else will you get international fit players? the PBA? lol
PG:
Heading (Foreign Born/Raised Filam)
Kiefer (Homegrown Filipino)
SG:
Parks (Philippine Born Filam)
SF:
Dwight Ramos (Foreign Born/Raised Filam)
PF:
Ron Harper Jr. (Foreign Born/Raised Filam)
Justine Baltazar (Homegrown Filipino)
C:
Kai Sotto( Homegrown Filipino)
AJ Edu (Foreign Born/Raised Fil Nigerian)
PS: If we follow analyzed suggestion, It will be like that. The purpose I made it like thaf is to show comparison between homegrown locals and foreigned raised Fil Foreigns.
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IPC2
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Bilis ng depensa ng Magnolia. Closest I see to Tab's defense. DLSU should have really gotten Victolero.
Yeah, Mags rotate well on defense under Victolero, and are aggressive on that end too. Pang-international, plus some extracurricular activity.
I'd have wanted him to serve as a Gilas assistant and eventually head coach probably, pero malabo. Oh well.
I think he could adapt to taller non-shot creating wings instead of three guards at the international level, given how he uses Rome dela Rosa and Aris Dionisio at 3. Could do something with Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, Lebron Lopez at the 3.
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Rds2
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I'd have wanted him to serve as a Gilas assistant and eventually head coach probably, pero malabo. Oh well.
I think he could adapt to taller non-shot creating wings instead of three guards at the international level, given how he uses Rome dela Rosa and Aris Dionisio at 3. Could do something with Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, Lebron Lopez at the 3.
Tall non-creating wing. Defends the perimeter. Can shoot the open 3. Can do a straight line drive. Isnt this the definition of the NBAs 3-D wing? The 3-D wing is basically expected to defend the perimeter and shoot the open 3. The first I saw this in the NBA is with Spurs with Bruce Bowen. The Spurs being a small market team and perennial season high placer did not have a high pick or a top free agent in the majority of Tim Duncan's era .
During this era the NBA moved away from big men to the perimeter. From Kobe to Lebron, it became a wing's league. The Spurs could not get a player to match up well with these guys. The closest they got was Stephen Jackson but the Spurs did not have the patience nor the money to keep him. So they did the next best thing, they got a tall athletic defensive free agent with almost no skill at all. Taught him to shoot the corner 3 and voila the 3-D position was born.
So Tabs need for a tall wing defender who can guard the perimeter and shoot the 3 is actually not unique at all. It is needed to matchup with world's tall perimeter players.
Hope Chot grows up. Throws his small SF system in the garbage bin and adapt offensive plays for taller but less skilled wings.
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carmelo72
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Tall non-creating wing. Defends the perimeter. Can shoot the open 3. Can do a straight line drive. Isnt this the definition of the NBAs 3-D wing? The 3-D wing is basically expected to defend the perimeter and shoot the open 3. The first I saw this in the NBA is with Spurs with Bruce Bowen. The Spurs being a small market team and perennial season high placer did not have a high pick or a top free agent in the majority of Tim Duncan's era .
During this era the NBA moved away from big men to the perimeter. From Kobe to Lebron, it became a wing's league. The Spurs could not get a player to match up well with these guys. The closest they got was Stephen Jackson but the Spurs did not have the patience nor the money to keep him. So they did the next best thing, they got a tall athletic defensive free agent with almost no skill at all. Taught him to shoot the corner 3 and voila the 3-D position was born.
So Tabs need for a tall wing defender who can guard the perimeter and shoot the 3 is actually not unique at all. It is needed to matchup with world's tall perimeter players.
Hope Chot grows up. Throws his small SF system in the garbage bin and adapt offensive plays for taller but less skilled wings.
Is Zavier Lucero eligible as local for
Gilas? seems
like the prototype SF: 6'6-6'7 long & lanky, has a decent perimeter game, able to drive and handle the ball and nice motor too and at 22-23years old Lucero,Balti & Tamayo as forwards/Wings on Gilas would be nice. Dave,Dwight,Thirdy,Heading can all stay at 1-2 positions
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ARMIR2
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the things is our idiot coaches believe that Filipinos are quicker than others, when they are not. Our world opponents are just as quick, and stronger, and bigger.
The present head coach thinks otherwise.
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DAdmiral2
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It's versatility, positionless versatility. We don't need to pigeon hole any of the players at a specific position , like Harper Jr and Dwight don't have to be the forwards in my line up, they can be the guards .. they just have to be capable of guarding the forward spot . And on that note you can't tell me Harper Jr a 6'6 with 6'10 wingspan 248 lbs of athleticism and big 10 defensive player of the year is a worst PF defender than any Pinoy local.
While Dwight isn't a worse defender at wingspan spots compared to almost any of the other Gilas prospects, besides 2/3 is interchangeable and Dwight can seamlessly interchange with Parks.
It would be significantly worse to use a Navarro, why ? The lack of flexibility. If Navarro switches to the SG , we get blow bys. And don't forget he has to play offense. Gilas space and pace game suffers with Navarro on the offensive end. Honestly I would rather pair Baltazar rather than Navarro at the forward spot with Harper or Dwight. It fits better and has more versatility
While Dwight isn't a worse defender at wingspan spots compared to almost any of the other Gilas prospects, besides 2/3 is interchangeable and Dwight can seamlessly interchange with Parks.
It would be significantly worse to use a Navarro, why ? The lack of flexibility. If Navarro switches to the SG , we get blow bys. And don't forget he has to play offense. Gilas space and pace game suffers with Navarro on the offensive end. Honestly I would rather pair Baltazar rather than Navarro at the forward spot with Harper or Dwight. It fits better and has more versatility
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mathematicianrcg2
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It's versatility, positionless versatility. We don't need to pigeon hole any of the players at a specific position , like Harper Jr and Dwight don't have to be the forwards in my line up, they can be the guards .. they just have to be capable of guarding the forward spot . And on that note you can't tell me Harper Jr a 6'6 with 6'10 wingspan 248 lbs of athleticism and big 10 defensive player of the year is a worst PF defender than any Pinoy local.
While Dwight isn't a worse defender at wingspan spots compared to almost any of the other Gilas prospects, besides 2/3 is interchangeable and Dwight can seamlessly interchange with Parks.
It would be significantly worse to use a Navarro, why ? The lack of flexibility. If Navarro switches to the SG , we get blow bys. And don't forget he has to play offense. Gilas space and pace game suffers with Navarro on the offensive end. Honestly I would rather pair Baltazar rather than Navarro at the forward spot with Harper or Dwight. It fits better and has more versatility
SG and SF being interchangeable depends on the system imo.
PF and C can be interchangeable too if you have a Big Heavy System.
But, I usually think SG as your best shooter/perimeter scorer. While SF is your Tall Lengthy Perimeter defender, who happens also to be the most versatile in the team.
For ex. Michael Jordan as SG and Scottie Pippen as SF.
But if you have 2 Swing Players (yun tawag nyo diba?) who can play both SG and SF. Then good, we will have multiple versatile players.
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mathematicianrcg2
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My 5 for Gilas
Kai
Harper Jr
Dwight
Parks
Heading
emphasis on pace and space (outside shooting) , versatility and dynamic shooting of the bounce
If Harper Jr. Will be our NP. This will be my lineup:
(I am assuming this is 2024 beyond since yeah naturalization process)
PG: Kiefer Ravena, Dalph Panopio (Maybe he already improved in this time)
SG: Jordan Heading (for shooting), Rayray Parks (CJ perez if rayray declines)
SF: Ron Harper Jr, Caelum Harris, Lebron Lopez, Basti Reyes
PF: Baltazar, Tamayo
C: Kai, AJ
MY Reasons:
I know what will you guys say. I will have a very thin frontline in Kai and AJ only. But I think Balti and Tamayo can play some spot up mins as PF/C.
I deepen the SF spot with Harper, Caelum, Lopez, and probably Basti (I hope he develops well), They can also slide sometimes as a small ball 4.
For Guards, Basically I just needed playmakers. Hence, Kiefer and Dalph.
Heading provides shooting. While Rayray or CJ provides Penetration.
STRENGTHS OF MY LINEUP:
Versatility
Can go Traditional Lineup or Small Ball Lineup.
Can go Fast paced or slow paced
WEAKNESS OF MY LINEUP
Very Narrow Frontline
PS: Maybe I can replace Basti by another Big. Depending who is the best left available big during that time.