Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[reamily2]

I keep reading this. Why do people think Ange does not fit Chot's system? Reminder: TNT's import is Aaron Fuller, a rebounding, shot-blocking big with limited offensive skillset. Ange is basically a 6'11 Aaron Fuller who is maybe a better floor-spacer. Ange's problem is his unfamiliarity with CCR, not the fit.

Problem with ange is his motor isnt like fuller..

 

[lurklurk2]

Problem with ange is his motor isnt like fuller..

I think Ange has good motor naman. Will probably pale in comparison to Fuller who is a seasoned vet and has played all over the world.

 

[IPC2]

To be clear it's not Chot's decision to accept the role or even his selection of his own TNt players that is the problem.

It's the SBP leadership decision to throw away the long term program that was successful last year for a new direction.
It's not even a question of who should be caoxh for Feb. (Like really this is insignificant to the bigger picture of sticking to a long term plan)
But it's the change of direction, and for what reason politics.
Note Tab was not just dropped as coach for Feb or just fired as program director, but the whole long term program has changed.
That is the biggest mistake here.

Basically the SBP like PATAFA would rather control how they do things and do it their way, than do it the right way which is have a professional basketball program manager decide on all basketball program affairs .
Honestly the SBP officials while corporate executives are amateur and inexperience basketball program people. But want to control decision making in an area they have no knowledge how to best manage, they are driven by commercial $$$. Not basketball level advancement..

It's depressing, honestly, kung ganito lang. Driven more by personal interest than the improvement and progression of basketball here. I mean, they'd prefer that our best players go to the PBA rather than abroad. It's crap.

I honestly hope Chot and the SBP prove us wrong, that they are willing to innovate, pero ayun. Presumption is that we're back to square -1 (negative 1), unless of course they progress.

 

[IPC2]

There were amateur practicing in Dec. (Link below)

The gilas special draft players

B league who made Feb Window (3?)

Easily there are 12 players there

In the 1st place why even the need to assign Chot , who does not know these players. Just assign in interim any of the current assistants (Sandy Jong . Nenad)

The SBP decision was an over reaction

16 players were already practicing November 2021
https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/gilas-begin-batch-workouts-add-csbs-lepalam-to-pool/224897

I honestly thought that this was an act of bad faith by the SBP.

The Gilas draftees were released only after Tab went out. Dwight and Thirdy were called up only after Tab went out.

 

[CoJ2]

i still think that Chot snd SBP are going all put for Clarkson to get the FIBA exception and should that happen, SBP might naturalize another big in the mold of Blatche (or just tap blatche again provided that he is in shape which i doubt) but the clock is ticking.
hay sbp and their quick fix solutions

 

[IPC2]

Big, slower and tactical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small, only very slightly faster and selfish

Chot just refuses to take notes from the Korean lineups who are completely unaccommodating to undersized players and instead make up for physical disadvantages like slower footspeed with good tactical and systemic adjustments.

This is true. Plus, our bigger lineups under Tab have been more versatile, especially on defense.

As for the slower pace, yes, I agree that we should adopt a slower game, it fits us better and tends to not give the opponent any rhythm.

I only hope that Chot will keep the versatility and then learn how to use the versatile players. Because if he doesn't, nako.

 

[IPC2]

Man, I really hope that a team that regularly does one or more of these combinations wins a PBA championship:

1. Properly-sized traditional lineup (at least at the frontcourt spots);
2. A proper small ball lineup (good size internationally at 3 and 4);
2b. A lineup with three international sized wings manning the 3, 4, and 5.

One of these lineups should win to force a paradigm shift away from Pinoy small ball, which has at the 3 spot a player too undersized to play SF, at least in the PBA.

I dunno, just spitting ideas at this point.

I wish that properly-sized lineups, whether small ball or traditional ball, would win, not only in the PBA, but in other popular leagues as well, like the UAAP and NCAA, so that they can influence other teams to develop players and lineups more suitable to beat them, and probably fit for international ball.

I dunno if that wish may become reality, though. Ateneo is the closest. Although I'm a UP alum (and student), I'm not sure about them.

Just wanna see the system improve.

 

[IPC2]

McCullough just tore his ACL: https://www.spin.ph/basketball/gila...rs-right-acl-in-taiwan-a2437-20220314-fbfirst

Well, sucks for him. He could be a good NP prospect. Dunno how he'd come back.

McCullough could fill a hole at 3 and maybe small ball 4.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

This is true. Plus, our bigger lineups under Tab have been more versatile, especially on defense.

As for the slower pace, yes, I agree that we should adopt a slower game, it fits us better and tends to not give the opponent any rhythm.

I only hope that Chot will keep the versatility and then learn how to use the versatile players. Because if he doesn't, nako.

Are our small ball players really faster and quicker though? Small doesn't always mean quicker

 

[IPC2]

Are our small ball players really faster and quicker though? Small doesn't always mean quicker

If we're talking about Pinoy small ball, only slightly at best.

Agree on the small ball doesn't always mean quicker part. It, however, can also mean that a bigger guy can defend more positions, even the perimeter guys. It's basically versatility too.

 

[IPC2]

Coach Rino Salazar thinks that Gilas should use the European model:

He points out that it's clear and has a more concise structure. He also pointed out that players must defend 1-on-1, PnR, and transition.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

Are our small ball players really faster and quicker though? Small doesn't always mean quicker

I can only think of Castro and Romeo, even if their speed is indeed above average(which no doubt we have the edge against Asian opponents but not necessarily worlds), if they’re undersized imo their usage is still highly situational. What made Campazzo and Kiefer look so valuable to their teams is not necessarily their speed but the very high iq and good reads of the game. In fact I don’t really know where this belief that speed compensates for height came from, players like Jalalon(all speed but subpar iq) are getting blocked by even southeast Asian opponents. Basically it seems to me that speedy players are highly situational(very limited on both ends) but size and game iq are universal in the game of basketball, a player with size or iq or better, both can be put in any situation against any matchup, that’s probably the reason for the success of the small ball paradigm in modern basketball.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

Players like Campazzo, Belangel, Abarrientos, Castro, Togashi, Kiefer really makes up for their physical disadvantage with exceptional iq, not really speed, I do agree with Tab that these players still have a place in the game, though I’d be fine with just Kiefer and Panopio, the rest can be cut.

 

[TheRodster212]

Players like Campazzo, Belangel, Abarrientos, Castro, Togashi, Kiefer really makes up for their physical disadvantage with exceptional iq, not really speed, I do agree with Tab that these players still have a place in the game, though I’d be fine with just Kiefer and Panopio, the rest can be cut.

I agree, though ideally you would want to have both or at least a balance of both. Someone physically gifted despite being undersized while also have a high iq ie. Campazzo.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Still hoping that SBP would invite the following lads on the coming Jones Cup and Hangzhou AG if they are still serious to include those kids on the program beyond 2023 just to establish that so-called Basketball Heritage and assuming they’ve already got their PH Passport even after their 16th Birthday, then let those WC 2023 bound guys play in a short tournament somewhere in the Baltic Area.
1. Sage Tolentino
2. Remy Martin(6’0)
3. Ron Harper Jr.(6’7)
4. Kai Ballugay(6’7) ** confirmed passport holder
5. AJ Edu (6’10) ** confirmed passport holder
6. Lowell Briones Jr.(6’4) ** confirmed passport holder
7. Quentin Millora Brown(6’11)
8. Carl Lane III(6’11)
9. Chase Lane(6’5)
10. Jaime Malonzo(6’7)
11. Roosevelt Adams6’4)
12. Brandon Rosser(6’7)
13. Jordan Clarkson(6’5) **already a passport holder
14. Chris Koon(6’6)
15. Ron Artest, Jr.(6'5)

 

[IPC2]

Can we please formally dichotomize small ball and midget ball?

Small ball:
"Many small ball lineups feature a non-traditional center who offers skills that are not normally found from players at that position"
-which UAAP team has this type of personnel and willing to play them as such? I'm talking about the Chris Bosh type

"Teams often move a physically dominant player who would typically play the small forward position into the power forward position"
-I would never consider the typical 6'0-6'2 pinoy small forward to be physically dominant, not even Thirdy Ravena, the size inferiority just negates the domination part, god forbid if they ever get tried as a stretch 4(ala Arwind Santos).

Using American basketball paradigms like small ball in Filipino context is just so misleading tbh.

Let's apply the dichotomy to Philippine basketball in general. We're really misleading the fans into believing that Pinoy small ball or midget ball is really small ball at work.

 

[CoJ2]

Let's apply the dichotomy to Philippine basketball in general. We're really misleading the fans into believing that Pinoy small ball or midget ball is really small ball at work.

Pinoys confuse being small as small ball, for the majority, the two terms are interchangeable.

 

[IPC2]

Pinoys confuse being small as small ball, for the majority, the two terms are interchangeable.

When in actuality, small ball is sacrificing the size of a traditional PF or center for the versatility of an SF or wing at 4 (LeBron, Tatum, Battier, Harrison Barnes, Kevin Durant, Jae Crowder, Tobias Harris), or a natural PF at 5 (Kevin Garnett, Chris Bosh, Giannis). The 4 and 5 are really the only benchmarks, if I'm being honest.

I'm just simplifying my own definition of small ball here. It's putting a natural SF at 4, and/or putting a natural PF at 5.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

Pinoys confuse being small as small ball, for the majority, the two terms are interchangeable.

Not even the majority, even Chot seems to confuse it. When he said we needed to go small ball against the Dominican Republic he probably meant downsize all position to allow more dribbling and space out the floor for fadeaway Pogoy elbows.

 

[Rds2]

Agree with the small ball definition here. It is more of the "small"skills of your PF and C. Can your PF drive from the 3 pt line. Can he lead a fastbreak or finish with multiple dribbles? Is your C good at switching in the perimeter or can finish fastbreaks?

Most big NBA SFs can play small ball PF as long as their willing to take more physical contact in the paint. As for small ball centers I think the best is Adebayo. Green is decent but a bit small internationally to be a starting C. Lebron actually does not play small ball C. Yeshkel has a video showing Lebron rarely defends the paint when he is the nominal C. Usually it is Stanley who plays small ball C