So what is the ranking of Korea in that category
A common practice for teams is the phenom tall player does not practice with the bigs , but with the perimeter small players . Tab does this and makes Baltazar and Tamayo grouped together with the perimeter players.. rather than the bigs.
I hope Troy is practicing with the perimeter players not bigs ( didn't see him in that Kouame video)
I know this is not the wing thread but big men, but just wanted to point out how bigs practice 3 point shots is different from how perimeter players do.
Bigs normally are stationary 3 point shooters ( pick and pop) , while perimeter players in the modern game have to be versatile shooters , (meaning they move around go around screens and shoot 3's of the bounce ) it's quite different. I noticed while it has been a marked improvement to see tall players like Baltazar and Troy shoot 3's efficiently. the way they're shooting 3's are like traditional bigs rather than wing players.. Gilas still needs to develop "true tall wings" who move effortlessly and are versatile 3 point shooters if that makes sense.
It is the general (not absolute) scout on Gilas by most and true enough it has worked.. it's not the size but the length to cover space at pace.
When one is horizontally challenge to cover space at speed then one has to make tradeoffs of over compensating by focus on interior at the expense of the perimeter. (This is manifested in the #of 3 pts made by opposing team on Gilas. , you will see it the stats )
If challenged in this area one needs to exert more energy to mitigate disadvantage and so consistency of rebounding and defense is harder to maintain.
It's basic realities of sports.. especially a sport like Basketball and American football where speed and length absolutely matter.
It's not height or even skill. but the quality of over all Basketball athletes we have. No secret Philippines is challenged in this area.
One illustration of this is Kouame , he's not skilled but he has length and motor.. 100 % Gilas.defense and rebounding goes down significantly if he is not on the court . This isn't rocket science.
Unfortunately we don't have many players of Koaume's attributes acceoss the front line . It does matter a lot
Where is the stat. Why don't you show it here. How many times you claim things based on stat but when look at it it totally false.
This isn't really rocket science, Asian teams as a whole do not do really well at world competition. So question is simply which areas of the game are generally (not always) weaknesses that explains why they do not do well?
And the consensus is it's mostly defense and rebounding. Of course it's not limited to that.
The thing with those 2 aspects is everyone on the court has to be adequate. Unlike offense where there is only one ball . So a dominant proficient scorer like a NP can mitigate those weaknesses .
With defense and rebounding it's a shared responsibility throughout the 5 players on the court. And generally (not always)many Asian teams have holes and gaps I certain positions. Especially the positions where switching small to big or big to perimeter is critical.
Like I said it may not show in rebounding stats. But if a team is overloading inside to compensate for lack of rebounding players it then isn't reflective in rebound stats but other metrics like 3 pt open shots or advanced defensive efficiency metrics.
I'm suprise some don't even get this simple well known principle.
Another Ginebra defensive masterclass against TNT tonight. Gave up a lot of free looks and open shots to TNT, who shot 56% from the field and 53% from 3. At one point, TNT shot 61% from the field, 61% from 3.
If Ginebra can't defend the perimeter against Mags and TNT, how could they expect to defend the perimeter in the EASL?
It shows CTC's coaching is too old school.. while everyone in the world adopting modern basketball system, CTC still stuck to his old school Triangle system that is not effective nowadays... I love CTC and he's the greatest coach in PBA history but his coaching style will not work these days..
One loss and this is the mindset. It work in the bubble. They just don't have a penetrator like pringle. Watch Yezkiel YT, its not purely Triangle anymore.
People here wants a tall line up which Ginebra did and when get burned or lost to 4 out offense and pinoy ball we get angry. Don't get it
Ginebra was kinda fine offensively, actually. 45% from the field.
What's concerning is the defense. It's not just one game, it's been a theme this year. Even with their 3-guard lineups, they get burned. Late rotations, wide open opposing shooters. What's more is that Cone is willing to give up perimeter jumpers. Collapse the paint and whatnot. Plus, the personnel. Only Scottie's a good perimeter defender in the roster.
Honestly, for the record, I'm not against playing small. Brownlee and Arvin as the 3 and 4 is a FIBA-sized small-ball lineup, actually. Might improve the switchability of the team.
Where your stat that Asia contenent is the weakest rebounder. All is just your opinion and uninformed one at that. All you do is narrative no evidence
I said defense and rebounding (not rebounding alone) and rebounding is part of defense
Points scored against. The 3 worst in 2019 World cup are*
1. PHILIPPINES gave up 499 pts (that's 100 pts iper game n 40 min!)
2. JAPAN gave up 480 plus*
3. JORDAN 460 PLUS*
That's terrible defense for a 40 min for 5 games*
Margin of pts and against 5 of 6.Asian team are negative with 3 over 100 pts negative . (That's more than 20 point minus on average per game . That's terrible)
Asia statistically is by far the worse defense teams and rebounding is part of defense*
Again moving the goalpost. We were talking about rebounds and now showing different stats. So useless to see your comments when you keep moving the narrative. Talking about rebounding then moving to pts against. I will not anymore comment on this because its like talking to a girl that brings up all the issue except the topic of discussion.
Read all my post it's defense and rebounding
You cannot separate the two, they're associated.
When one says a team is weak in rebounding it automatic logically includes defense.
It's terrible analysis to isolate a stat not within context.
And besides even in terms of rebounding the 6 world cup Asia teams averages are still lower than every other continent. This is glaring
Your line of argument isn't real basketball context . but purely legalistic simplistic single stat base .
There is a saying while a stat figure are fundamental - but so is context ... and this is where your understanding is flawed ..
I say it again everyone who knows the game knows within context Asian teams are rated low in defense and rebounding.. understand what context means and why it is fundamental to discussion to be meaningful Which your line of discussion is NOT and is meaningless
Still wondering where did scout get their number about rebounding or they just look our size and then decided we are weak rebounders.
a bit OT but there are instances where a simple eye test would not suffice in scouting talent
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/...sian-american-representation-10th-anniversary
He looked “unathletic.” As then-Rockets GM Daryl Morey explained to author Michael Lewis in his book The Undoing Project in 2016, Lin lit up the team’s evaluative model ahead of the 2010 draft, assigning his value at the 15th pick, which would have placed him just outside the lottery. But Morey and Co. weren’t prepared to place blind trust in their model; as an Asian American kid, Lin just didn’t pass the eye test. A year after Houston and every other team let Lin go undrafted, the Rockets began measuring the speed of a player’s first two steps, and Lin had the quickest first step of any player measured. “He’s incredibly athletic,” Morey told Lewis. “But the reality is that every ****ing person, including me, thought he was unathletic. And I can’t think of any reason for it other than he was Asian.”
This is what I mean. Its insular thinking that because a team lack size they are weak rebounding.
It's not the size , (Lin actually has good size as a PG) but length and activity to cover space (motor) There actually hustle stats and defensive metrics that monitor these things. Both Chot and Tab are not insular but have very good bacis for the assessment that both defense and rebounding is a general (not always) weakness among Aaian teams. FOR the nth time it's not rebounding alone but mostly defense
Anyway in terms of rebounds in the World Cup Coj has already posted above the stats confirming that general on average (not always). ASIAN teams are rated low in rebounding