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I just computed it myself. I looked at the box scores, and computed the offensive rebound rating.
ORB% = Offensive Rebounds/(Offensive Rebounds + Opp. Defensive Rebounds)
I just computed it myself. I looked at the box scores, and computed the offensive rebound rating.
ORB% = Offensive Rebounds/(Offensive Rebounds + Opp. Defensive Rebounds)
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Rds2
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Why are you harping about defense when we obviously defended Korea well. We dont have a lockdown post defender as Al Dwahiri exposed as in the paint. But as you yourself said post defense is the least important thing in international ball. More important is PNR defense right? Most of our Gilas kids are good PNR defenders. Of those who play minutes I would say only Tamayo and maybe our small PGs are a negative on defense.
The Serbia game were actually good. In the DR game it would probably be a closer game with Dwight. It is actually a testament to the team that we kept it close until the 3rd without our best perimeter player considering they offense is guard centric.
Abdullah cup was without Kai. It was a training for Geo but he is still not ready. If Tab was serious about winning he would have played Kouame in the last game.
We are not a hefty or athletic team that accounts for some of the rebounding problems. But I repeat we are winning games despite that because we are focusing on speed and switchability in defense. We probably need a 3rd big after Kouame and Kai as Balti's role is more of a wing than a PF/C. But even wihout one we can win with the Gilas team. I was hoping Lepalam and the other tall new members joined the practices.
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Just citing our strengths and weaknesses nothing more . in the context of world teams (not just Asia) , it's no shame to realise given our past world performances that we really are depleted in the wing and forwards spots ( this is no secret)
Just citing our strengths and weaknesses nothing more . in the context of world teams (not just Asia) , it's no shame to realise given our past world performances that we really are depleted in the wing and forwards spots ( this is no secret)
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Talking about rebounding, I think that Tabs OQT team was a decent rebounding team. Well Tab played Blatche and June Mar quite a lot against NZ. Rosario was also a pretty good offensive rebounder. Too bad Tab got yanked out. I think if Tab got to develop that team more it would have been a sight to see. If Balti and Tamayo looked decent playing SF in Tabs system Rosario might have improved too given more time under Tab.
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Rds2
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Ok. Why not focus on the Korea games where the team was actually complete? What are our defensive metrics against them in those two? Again the DR game and the Abdullah Cup games could have turn out much differently with Ramos and Kai respectively. Lets put caveats on the non bearing games if there any. Because they are for development. Or are we like Chot who aims to get media points any way he can. Like keeping it close against France in a tune up. Of course he played Blatche and Douthit there. How would that team not compete when it had a near prime Douthit as a backup center? So lets put caveats on non bearing games if there are any. Like missing one of their best players.
If any, the lesson for me in the DR game and the Abdullah cup is we another rim protector and a big guard for when Kai or Dwight might not be available. Dave should be the understudy for Dwight. But I dont see another internstionsl level rim protector if we dont include of injured Edu. Tab might have been looking for a
bigger stretch 4 probably like Lepalam, 6'8 to 6'9 guys. Maybe a Fotu lite.
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I think there are no quick fixes to the weaknesses, in the short term (next window) we can as you cited however minimize teams exploiting those weakneses tactically. (coaching tactics)
I think however there is no other way of addressing it long term by either recruiting bigger and more athletic fil foreigners (make them eligible) and of course having a long term devlopment program addressing the length and motor weaknesses in our players
I think there are no quick fixes to the weaknesses, in the short term (next window) we can as you cited however minimize teams exploiting those weakneses tactically. (coaching tactics)
I think however there is no other way of addressing it long term by either recruiting bigger and more athletic fil foreigners (make them eligible) and of course having a long term devlopment program addressing the length and motor weaknesses in our players
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Rds2
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Recruitment of Filfors is ok at least for added athleticism. But I think in the long term maybe a simiar to the development program of Japan should be nice. I mean they have been able to put averagely athletic guys to internstional leagues and the NBA. I think if we can achieve the athletic potential of our kids through a scientific diet and trsining program that would be a big deal.
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Still wondering where did scout get their number about rebounding or they just look our size and then decided we are weak rebounders.
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DAdmiral2
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It is the general (not absolute) scout on Gilas by most and true enough it has worked.. it's not the size but the length to cover space at pace.
When one is horizontally challenge to cover space at speed then one has to make tradeoffs of over compensating by focus on interior at the expense of the perimeter. (This is manifested in the #of 3 pts made by opposing team on Gilas. , you will see it the stats )
If challenged in this area one needs to exert more energy to mitigate disadvantage and so consistency of rebounding and defense is harder to maintain.
It's basic realities of sports.. especially a sport like Basketball and American football where speed and length absolutely matter.
It's not height or even skill. but the quality of over all Basketball athletes we have. No secret Philippines is challenged in this area.
One illustration of this is Kouame , he's not skilled but he has length and motor.. 100 % Gilas.defense and rebounding goes down significantly if he is not on the court . This isn't rocket science.
Unfortunately we don't have many players of Koaume's attributes acceoss the front line . It does matter a lot
When one is horizontally challenge to cover space at speed then one has to make tradeoffs of over compensating by focus on interior at the expense of the perimeter. (This is manifested in the #of 3 pts made by opposing team on Gilas. , you will see it the stats )
If challenged in this area one needs to exert more energy to mitigate disadvantage and so consistency of rebounding and defense is harder to maintain.
It's basic realities of sports.. especially a sport like Basketball and American football where speed and length absolutely matter.
It's not height or even skill. but the quality of over all Basketball athletes we have. No secret Philippines is challenged in this area.
One illustration of this is Kouame , he's not skilled but he has length and motor.. 100 % Gilas.defense and rebounding goes down significantly if he is not on the court . This isn't rocket science.
Unfortunately we don't have many players of Koaume's attributes acceoss the front line . It does matter a lot
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zairex2
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Who says top asian teams are weak rebounders.
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DAdmiral2
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Almost Everyone does of course relative to world level.
Your free to disagree with consensus thoughts.
Put yourself in the rest of world shoes , when you face Korea and you have at your disposal productive frontline major Div 1 stars, what weakness would you logically exploit.
Note Korea does terrible in the Worlds or Olympics..
Just.take a closer.look at what world teams with good athletes exploit
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DAdmiral2
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Speaking of length (Harris) there is a reason why we're prioritizing players with these attributes
Coach Chot appreciates the "high energy Caelum brings to his game, versatility, and athletic ability at 6'7"
Describe those attributes however you want , there.is no denying we are scarce in the area and the impact having players of these attributes has to our program. Not rocket science at all.
Coach Chot appreciates the "high energy Caelum brings to his game, versatility, and athletic ability at 6'7"
Describe those attributes however you want , there.is no denying we are scarce in the area and the impact having players of these attributes has to our program. Not rocket science at all.
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Caelum will be a nice asset for Gilas if develop well.
He is not yet in any ranking if 247.com and rivals.com. But Kai wasn't too before he was visiting some college teams
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zairex2
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Almost Everyone?? Do you have a survey of almost everyone who knows basketball? I always base on facts my analysis. Korea in fact was 5th best rebounder in World Cup 2019. A similar mindset like you think about Top Asia teams like that because they don't check stats.
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Speaking of facts. That was Tabs assessment when Chot asked him what was Gilas weakness reputation, answer rebounding. To which Chot responded he agreed . I'll take both their expert opinion as fact. Much more than a absolute total rebound average (a meaningless number in itself when not in context of what you give away). That's actually the best survey you can get on Gilas .
Terrible analysis (5th in World Cup in Reb LOL). The team was almost at bottom with a huge losing margin. When you.play with pace and take more shots like Korea and miss more shots cause low %. you get more rebounds as an absolute number , but how many rebounds are your giving up and if your crashing the board how many outside shots and transition points do you give up. Those are the real stats you should look at to disect activity. Defense and control of boards.
I'll give you some homework research why Korea does terrible in the world cup ,clue it's not shooting. It's not passing or assist . So what is it? And you will have your answer
Question what rank was team USA in world cup in total rebounds?
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SoKor gave up high offensive rebound rates, though.
Argentina: 32.6%; SoKor 35.3%
Russia: 35.1%; SoKor 27.8%
Nigeria: 28.6%; SoKor 16%
China: 30.6%; SoKor 38%
Côte d'Ivoire: 40%; SoKor 27.6%
For the entire competition, they had a rebounding differential of -22, and had a total rebound rate of 47.4%. They were outrebounded for the most part.
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Moving the goalpost again I see to fit your narrative. Now it's proven they can rebound. It's not automatic if you missed a lot of shoots you have more rebounds unless you're good at offensive rebounding which Korea is. Which is not a weakness of them. We are talking of rebounds not overall standing.
Again you don't check the stats. That's why you are misleading in your own analysis. Another thing look at the worst rebounding team you have 4 African nations in WC 2019, again your analysis is wrong to say Asia is the worst continent.
Do your own research and post it here.
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It’s a question of when he can join the team. Does window 3 make sense?
What about Zavier Lucero? Is he eligible?
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Nope he said a while back in a interview that he was yet to obtain a passport.