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Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

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Sikatrix said:
My belief is since we are hosts we should try our best for 2023. After that we can reassess the program and hopefully move towards something more developmental in nature.

That being said I didnt believe that Tab's program was the program we needed. Something focused on even younger prospects and less focused on the senior game is what I would like to see.

EDIT: Remember when Tab called his team a C Level talent team that sometimes plays at an A Level. I think our priority long term should be to have A or at least B plus level talent.
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noyce said:
C-level talent?? What's the upside of Tamayo? Balti? Kouame? Even Dwight? Ain't that Level A come 2023? Who's better than these guys from PBA in 2023? what would be their level in 2027 in terms of long term?

Now what will be the upside of Kouame instead of 3-pt shooting big like all we see in NBA/NBL now? Douthit 2.0 DDO version (Douthit 2011 was actually a monster)
Upside of Dwight now instead of a developed big PG we badly need against Euro teams? playing SF, Norwood replacement with better 3 but less athleticism.
i dont even see Tamayo or Balti playing for Gilas anymore in 2023.
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I think Dwight could still be a guard in Chot's system, whether as a PG, SG, or third guard. He might be groomed to handle the ball and drive and kick. However, I think he'll need a PnR to get started. I don't see him as a 1-on-1 player like Castro or Terrence, at least not right now anyway, except in the post, where he can take advantage of mismatches.

I dunno about Tamayo or Balti. Chot says that he's high on the both of them. I think they might make the cut. They fit as stretch combo forwards, and Tamayo can put the ball on the floor and drive. Hope they get more ball screen or low-post action, though.
 
DAdmiral said:
Objectively within context while, PBA players may be A tier talent compared to UAAP players (C level) from a FIBA world level contex the talent difference of PBA pros to UAAP players is insignificant, not something you can rely on to beat world level 2nd tier teams. Regardless of who the Philippines puts out their (of course with exception of Clarkson or maybe even Sotto) , they are all inferior 2nd rate C level talent relative to a normal world level player. So really Tab is right the only way you can compete is through better chemistry and cohesion
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Hence, the need for more preparation to build chemistry amd cohesion on both ends, which is what we saw in Tab's Gilas. Hope this is really emphasized, whoever the coach and players are, especially in tournaments proper.
 
I hope LL gets the call up,he's a 6'7 future stopper,very athletic a Norwood with offense,can't go wrong with that.
 
IPC said:
But all things considered, if I were to pick someone to head the SBP, it would be Ronald Mascariñas. No ties to either MVP or SMC groups, and really works for the development of basketball
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Aggregately known as the PBA?
(Let A=MVP group, B= SMC group, then A U B =PBA)

Somebody who's nobody's fool?
(If C = Mascarinas, then in Venn diagram parlance, Set C and (A U B) are disjoint or mutually exclusive sets)

Sorry. My PhD in grade school math is a work-in-progress.

AHAHAHAHA!
 
DenzelGreat8 said:
wala pa sa kuko ni Bolick and Juan GDL etong si Dalph, please stop hyping this kid. I don't even know if he is better than Matt Nieto, and I hate Matt Nieto. Remember this kid was outplayed by the 5'7 Abadiano in the under 19 world cup? Lets not forget that
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I also think he is not yet ready. For sure naman, I think he is better than Matt.

Maybe in 2027, after his US Ncaa Stint.

But I will still be ok if he will be invited into pool
 
Seeing Lebron Lopez lately, I wonder if anyone in the staff plans on showing him some Matisse Thybulle tapes. I mean, he has the potential to be one, might as well try.
 
mathematicianrcg said:
I also think he is not yet ready. For sure naman, I think he is better than Matt.

Maybe in 2027, after his US Ncaa Stint.

But I will still be ok if he will be invited into pool
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no problem naman bro if for pool if ever, kasi we need extra bodies na pangpractice players, napapansin ko lang kay Analyze eh every time div 1 player or abroad based players eh he is always salivating. There are local players na kahit dito naglalaro eh mas magaling sa mga players abroad, just so he wont forget
 
DenzelGreat8 said:
no problem naman bro if for pool if ever, kasi we need extra bodies na pangpractice players, napapansin ko lang kay Analyze eh every time div 1 player or abroad based players eh he is always salivating. There are local players na kahit dito naglalaro eh mas magaling sa mga players abroad, just so he wont forget
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i still maintain that our undersized local guards are, pound for pound, the best in their height category if there ever was one.
 
DenzelGreat8 said:
wala pa sa kuko ni Bolick and Juan GDL etong si Dalph, please stop hyping this kid. I don't even know if he is better than Matt Nieto, and I hate Matt Nieto. Remember this kid was outplayed by the 5'7 Abadiano in the under 19 world cup? Lets not forget that
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Well to be fair he played less than Abadiano because the reason at that time was that he joined the team late. And Abadiano like other guards were terrible. But he's tall and getting minutes on a div 1 team. And I rather give him a try than any of the other guards in that team.
 
I think people are missing the point on why I mentioned Dalph, it's not about comparison with homegrown players and if they're better . It's about the super scarcity of homegrown players making it in major leagues abroad (NBA , Euro , DiV1). I've always stressed that making it to major world leagues is the only real way to improve are basketball. And we really have to move away from an insular domestic centric mindset. If our kids aspirations are to be UAAP and then followed by being a PBA star . Seriously we will always be mediocre . As it's a different type of game and emphasis to be successful domestically as it it compared to the outside world .
The mindset is a microcosm of the Philippine mindset, if you notice most Pinoy companies are focused on rivalry competition among themselves, to dominate domestically. Rather than to make a name for themselves globally

This insular mindset is the root of the Gilas change in leadership, as really Philippine basketball stakeholders cannot accept change especially if it means their domestic industry kingdom is losing to global aspiration. Make no mistake about it , leaders of industry in the Philippines care more about keeping their domestic control ownership than making an impact globally. . Obvious naman in the way we do things all the way to politicians and businesses
 
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DAdmiral said:
I think people are missing the point on why I mentioned Dalph, it's not about comparison with homegrown players and if they're better . It's about the super scarcity of homegrown players making it in major leagues abroad (NBA , Euro , DiV1). I've always stressed that making it to major world leagues is the only real way to improve are basketball. And we really have to move away from an insular domestic centric mindset. If our kids aspirations are to be UAAP and then followed by being a PBA star . Seriously we will always be mediocre . As it's a different type of game and emphasis to be successful domestically as it it compared to the outside world .
The mindset is a microcosm of the Philippine mindset, if you notice most Pinoy companies are focused on rivalry competition among themselves, to dominate domestically. Rather than to make a name for themselves globally

This insular mindset is the root of the Gilas change in leadership, as really Philippine basketball stakeholders cannot accept change especially if it means their domestic industry kingdom is losing to global aspiration. Make no mistake about it , leaders of industry in the Philippines care more about keeping their domestic control ownership than making an impact globally. . Obvious naman in the way we do things all the way to politicians and businesses
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to be fair, your question was phrased in a way that it doesn't clearly convey the information you are seeking.

and your notion that pinoy players making it to the major leagues as the only real way to improve PH basketball is just a general rule. of course, there are other ways which can be done locally. we could have retained tab and given him all the support and the players he wanted, for example.

as for the insular mindset of local businessmen and politicians, well, let's wait and see. the new public service act is set to be enacted into law. this law effectively opens up to 100 percent foreign equity on certain services in the country except the transmission and distribution of electricity, water pipeline and sewerage, seaports, petroleum pipeline, and public utility vehicles as they are still classified as public utility. this means that those that are not classified as a public utility shall otherwise be considered as a public service, which will not be bound by the 60-40% nationality requirement. Notably, telecommunications, air carriers, domestic shipping, and railways and subways are considered a public service under the proposed act.

let's see if the opening up of the economy brings forth an Air Asia or Telstra team in the PBA.
 
mathematicianrcg said:
I also think he is not yet ready. For sure naman, I think he is better than Matt.

Maybe in 2027, after his US Ncaa Stint.

But I will still be ok if he will be invited into pool
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In the U19,Dalph came in late and he didn't do too bad,and right now with a limited minutes he's clutch and very steady and he's playing against freakish athletic guys game in game out.
 
ARMIR said:
In the U19,Dalph came in late and he didn't do too bad,and right now with a limited minutes he's clutch and very steady and he's playing against freakish athletic guys game in game out.
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Yeah.Thats why I dont have a problem for him being included in the pool.

Though, I will still put Bolick and Kiefer higher than him in Gilas Guards Ladder.
 
Just me , I really do not think Philippine basketball and society as a whole can improve significantly if we continue to do things as we always have . (That's the definition of madness).

The eco system of the basketball industry in the Philippines really has to change fundamentally for any significant improvement.
Forever it will be pa ulit ulit . Just like every election. We have false hope. But fundamentally the way we do things is flawed
 
DAdmiral said:
With the absence of FIBA competition over the last 12 months, just following the progress of Kiwi players.
generally in terms of offensive or overall talent NZ is not a top 25 nation in the world (that's safe to say) .

However in terms of defensive players and the possibility of preparing team defense I honestly think New Zealand is a top 8 world defensive team.

Note that Australia is one of the best ( top 3 easily) defensive teams in the world , the Kiwi players playing in the Australian league ( NBL where defensive is played ) are known for their defense : Notably : Shea Ili ( many consider best defensive NBL PG) , Izayah LeAfa (starts for SEM and is their guard import defender) , Te- Rangi ( a top NBL wing defender) , Ngatai ( considered one of Cairns top wing defenders) , Abercrombie is NBL defensive player of the year , Harrison ( Brisbane's best center and defensive center) , Wetzell ( leads NBL bigs in steals and one of the best PNR defenders) . Put those 7 players around Tai Webster and Fotu ( who are good defenders as well) and you can see why the Tall Blacks potentially are a top 8 World defensive team.
Let's not talk about Adams ( who leads NBA in offensive rebounds, screen to pts etc) ,

NZ has always been known to prepare well for World tournaments, mainly because of it's relative access to it's core players being available to prepare for longer periods of time.

I think defense is the key to elevate a less talented team in the World's .. it is what can elevate a B level or second tier talented teams to top 10 .
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And we were on the way to doing that with Tab. He was giving us our defensive identity already. In fact, he helped in our defense in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship, and in the 2014 WC (where the highest FG% we allowed was 45%). Preparation helped too. But, we did allow really high percentages in our OQTs under Tab. The lowest FG% we allowed was I think 45%, against NZ. We still have a ways to go.

I only hope that the emphasis on defense is kept in these years after Tab.
 
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