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live_evil2
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Sometimes, you don't need to find the special ones. You can create them through proper training and development which is farthest from the mind of that imbecile nepotism boy.
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Philippines Cadet/Developmental Team
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ARMIR2
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SBP did bring some of the big guns here with Coach Norman, RH Jr and Jamie Malonzo.
What about the special local ones?Why they don't have a program to exposed the kid to the US or Euro market?
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BJ_Reloaded2
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SBP did bring some of the big guns here with Coach Norman, RH Jr and Jamie Malonzo.
Sir Sikat,
Ron Harper Jr?
were hoping they had a very fruitful meeting with the mother Maria Pizarro.
the two bros. are dreaming that they could play together one of these days.
SBP make it happen
as per official releases, the Philippine Consul Head(?) was also in attendance at that LV Camp.
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ARMIR2
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watch Josh Reyes waste all the effort of Norman Black, by forming a team with a 6-foot center.
5'2-5'4 pgs.
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IPC2
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Sir JOI,
participating in the yearly Jones Cup is still an important tourney for our basketball program specifically towards our grassroot development.
SGA could still be a major sponsor
Coach Charles Tiu is one of our competent young coaches nowadays but we have to be aware the issues about the "Pirates of the Caribbean".
and we don't want those local prospect to be hold by their respective schools because the so-called "baka mapirata eh mahirap na". trans. Coach E and Coach Franz
I think Coach Black Magic is the ideal coach for our youth team if SBP are not warm to hire a foreign coach with FIBA(youth) experience outside PHI
yes i agree brother, but i also agree with you that if ever we qualify next year in FIBA Asia Cup, the best preparation for gilas will be against European teams instead of Jones Cup, i am also all in for sending players that will be a potential part of the senior team in tournament such as Sea Games and even Asian games, we have already proven more than enough in the sea games let it be just a training ground for future senior team players the same with Asian games, i hope SBP will not fall into pressure of trying to win these tournaments anymore and just it for developing the younger players in a higher level of international competitions
Yeah, agreed with sir JOI2dWorld. Get a young team of players that have the potential to fit FIBA basketball. Do they have the skillset, the tools to play their FIBA position. Get a coach that can develop them to play their FIBA positions too so we have players won't be too undersized, too slow, or both.
Issue is, next year's SEA Games is in December. That means, that's after the end of UAAP and NCAA Finals. So we will need to get whoever's not there, maybe some PBA players too.
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IPC2
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personally I think tryouts for batang gilas is just for formality. SBP does not put an effort to look at kids from provinces and small schools at the high school level.
All these kids pop out/emerge at the college level and make a name for themselves in UAAP & NCAA seniors, but at the juniors level only those who can afford Manila and Cebu (kids from ADMU, DLSZ, LSGH, UST, Letran, Sacred Heart, NU, Adamson) are given a shot at making RP Youth/Batang Gilas teams.
That's where Dy should be making an effort. Give local grassroots programs some support. Get some kids from the provinces, offer them support to go to Manila and Cebu. Set up scouting centers too per region, from I to XIII (as well as NCR, CAR, ARMM).
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paliganibossalfrancis2
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That's where Dy should be making an effort. Give local grassroots programs some support. Get some kids from the provinces, offer them support to go to Manila and Cebu. Set up scouting centers too per region, from I to XIII (as well as NCR, CAR, ARMM).
What's sad is we have some real raw talent waiting to be discovered, who are better than boys playing in exclusive schools (Xavier, LSGH, AHS) and they end up nowhere just because they weren't given the opportunity. Boys from UAAP/NCAA/Exclusive schools play organized basketball in their youth, while more capable/talented boys from lower socioeconomic brackets play unorganized larong kalye. Can't blame bashers on Tiktok for their comments on the U17 World Cup Batang Gilas team. The head coach and some players don't deserve to be there repping the flag
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BJ_Reloaded2
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Yeah, agreed with sir JOI2dWorld. Get a young team of players that have the potential to fit FIBA basketball. Do they have the skillset, the tools to play their FIBA position. Get a coach that can develop them to play their FIBA positions too so we have players won't be too undersized, too slow, or both.
Issue is, next year's SEA Games is in December. That means, that's after the end of UAAP and NCAA Finals. So we will need to get whoever's not there, maybe some PBA players too.
Sir IPC,
AK34 and Benny are highly recommended esp. to Ange for obvious reason hopefully their future club team outside the PBA may allow them in a way hoping it's off-season.
FIBA ineligbles like Balunggay, Datu, Barefield, Laput, Lucero among others can be considered.
as for the collegiate rank QMB(one & done), KQ and Motor Mike are highly recommended, hopefully they will be permitted.
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IPC2
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i just noticed our players are getting smaller again tbh. built and height wise. and they aren't that good. skill wise they're subpar, wanna-be nonchalant NBA players. very short shorts, dancing like a woman on TikTok instead of working on their game.
It's very alarming the best in 2024 batch is Gemao and Alas. They're not even physically imposing or noteworthy or as promising as previous prospects like Kobe Paras.
our Golden generation is really Tamayo Kai Aj Edu Dave KQ Ildefonso era. It will be extremely hard our young local players to match what they have accomplished in their careers.
I guess back to over relying on Fil-foreign recruitment again. Grassroots and HS basketball coaches are slacking.
If what you say is true, that's concerning for the future of our NT. Dy will need to ramp up the programs for homegrowns.
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Metta2
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I've been involved with youth training for more than ten years. This is what I think is the crux of the problem...
We keep throwing around the word "raw" like it's something easily fixed at an advanced age. Well it's not, especially if we aim to produce world-level prospects.
It's not the fault of "exclusive" schools, it goes way beyond and way earlier than that. While raw in other countries means a prospect who lacks skill, in our case, raw usually means a kid who can barely run and jump properly. A root cause of this is a lack of a youth sports culture.
Kids as young as 5 should already be doing some type of sport or physical activity where they are required to run, jump, catch, throw, maneuver, etc. It's important that they do this way before they have their growth spurts and before all the wiring in their brains are done. Doing multiple sports is even better.
A vibrant youth sports culture is not left up to exclusive schools or the government or some other higher being, it is something where the community should be the driving force. In other countries, it is volunteers from families and communities who are the most active at this stage. At around the age of 5, we don't need highly-qualified coaches or trainers. Kids just have to play, have fun and at the same time develop their bodies physically. If kids are properly exposed physically at younger ages, they carry that athleticism later on and their upside becomes higher. Specialization should be at around high school age.
Our extremely tall prospects are so rare and it is baffling how up to now we keep wasting them by not being proactive early. Wemby has been doing plyo, yoga, juggling, skills training, etc way before his teenage years. Of course it's easier to blame schools, the government or whoever. But the harsh truth is, we as a community are also to be blamed.
We keep throwing around the word "raw" like it's something easily fixed at an advanced age. Well it's not, especially if we aim to produce world-level prospects.
It's not the fault of "exclusive" schools, it goes way beyond and way earlier than that. While raw in other countries means a prospect who lacks skill, in our case, raw usually means a kid who can barely run and jump properly. A root cause of this is a lack of a youth sports culture.
Kids as young as 5 should already be doing some type of sport or physical activity where they are required to run, jump, catch, throw, maneuver, etc. It's important that they do this way before they have their growth spurts and before all the wiring in their brains are done. Doing multiple sports is even better.
A vibrant youth sports culture is not left up to exclusive schools or the government or some other higher being, it is something where the community should be the driving force. In other countries, it is volunteers from families and communities who are the most active at this stage. At around the age of 5, we don't need highly-qualified coaches or trainers. Kids just have to play, have fun and at the same time develop their bodies physically. If kids are properly exposed physically at younger ages, they carry that athleticism later on and their upside becomes higher. Specialization should be at around high school age.
Our extremely tall prospects are so rare and it is baffling how up to now we keep wasting them by not being proactive early. Wemby has been doing plyo, yoga, juggling, skills training, etc way before his teenage years. Of course it's easier to blame schools, the government or whoever. But the harsh truth is, we as a community are also to be blamed.
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paliganibossalfrancis2
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I've been involved with youth training for more than ten years. This is what I think is the crux of the problem...
We keep throwing around the word "raw" like it's something easily fixed at an advanced age. Well it's not, especially if we aim to produce world-level prospects.
It's not the fault of "exclusive" schools, it goes way beyond and way earlier than that. While raw in other countries means a prospect who lacks skill, in our case, raw usually means a kid who can barely run and jump properly. A root cause of this is a lack of a youth sports culture.
Kids as young as 5 should already be doing some type of sport or physical activity where they are required to run, jump, catch, throw, maneuver, etc. It's important that they do this way before they have their growth spurts and before all the wiring in their brains are done. Doing multiple sports is even better.
A vibrant youth sports culture is not left up to exclusive schools or the government or some other higher being, it is something where the community should be the driving force. In other countries, it is volunteers from families and communities who are the most active at this stage. At around the age of 5, we don't need highly-qualified coaches or trainers. Kids just have to play, have fun and at the same time develop their bodies physically. If kids are properly exposed physically at younger ages, they carry that athleticism later on and their upside becomes higher. Specialization should be at around high school age.
Our extremely tall prospects are so rare and it is baffling how up to now we keep wasting them by not being proactive early. Wemby has been doing plyo, yoga, juggling, skills training, etc way before his teenage years. Of course it's easier to blame schools, the government or whoever. But the harsh truth is, we as a community are also to be blamed.
When they reach high school, varsity players need a separate curriculum. They need to be treated like pros already. Not a regular school boy schedule, but a schedule separate from regular students where training is not just 3 hours max a day. In the morning weight room/conditioning and then individual skills work, and then school, and then after school is team training, and then recovery. When that accumulates in their years in junior and senior high, they'll be an almost complete player when they reach college.
We are so obsessed with the game but we don't calibrate the daily routine of our players to be successful and well-rounded players.
What I noticed with most schools is after school hours, when players are already drained/spent from academic work, they cram everything into a 2-3 hour training session and then play games in their respective leagues. Obviously the quality of those training sessions isn't optimal. That's why the development of our players is delayed because the amount of training they get in their formative years isn't enough.
SBP has to take initiative and coordinate with UAAP Jrs/NCAA Jrs/Small schools to create a schedule like this specifically for all basketball athletes. Or maybe they can follow the Euroleague template where they are considered "semi-pros" as early as high school then just classify these schools by division (Ateneo/LSGH D1, Xavier/St Jude D2, CSA/Lourdes D3). Let companies, small business, conglomerates sponsor these schools. Put a huge brand logo and alma mater name on their jerseys. Give them allowances for playing for their school. Make it a big business from the grassroots because this is where it will lead to anyway, after all PBA is just a marketing tool for conglomerates. No need for MPBL Jr. or Batang PBA when they can represent their school and carry a brand at the same time.
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Metta2
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When they reach high school, varsity players need a separate curriculum. They need to be treated like pros already. Not a regular school boy schedule, but a schedule separate from regular students where training is not just 3 hours max a day. In the morning weight room/conditioning and then individual skills work, and then school, and then after school is team training, and then recovery. When that accumulates in their years in junior and senior high, they'll be an almost complete player when they reach college.
We are so obsessed with the game but we don't calibrate the daily routine of our players to be successful and well-rounded players.
What I noticed with most schools is after school hours, when players are already drained/spent from academic work, they cram everything into a 2-3 hour training session and then play games in their respective leagues. Obviously the quality of those training sessions isn't optimal. That's why the development of our players is delayed because the amount of training they get in their formative years isn't enough.
SBP has to take initiative and coordinate with UAAP Jrs/NCAA Jrs/Small schools to create a schedule like this specifically for all basketball athletes. Or maybe they can follow the Euroleague template where they are considered "semi-pros" as early as high school then just classify these schools by division (Ateneo/LSGH D1, Xavier/St Jude D2, CSA/Lourdes D3). Let companies, small business, conglomerates sponsor these schools. Put a huge brand logo and alma mater name on their jerseys. Give them allowances for playing for their school. Make it a big business from the grassroots because this is where it will lead to anyway, after all PBA is just a marketing tool for conglomerates. No need for MPBL Jr. or Batang PBA when they can represent their school and carry a brand at the same time.
What we need to do is, like I said, start a tradition of doing physical activities early. Identify those who are going to be extremely tall by around 10. Ramp up athletic and ball-handling training for those prospects. Then aim to send them to the US or Europe for high school (15/16 yrs old at the latest).
Like I've mentioned countless times, Gemao's timeline is a feasible example for a homegrown. Started athletic training (plyo, speed, etc) really early, worked on ball-handling early and always played up against older comp. Then went to the US at 15/16. If he was 2 or more inches taller, he'd have D1 offers.
Expecting support from the government, schools or whoever should not be the mindset, it is idiotic since we know how incompetent and self-serving they are. Like Gemao, develop your vital fundamentals as early as possible on your own. Waiting for someone else's help will only come once you already have use for them, by that time, it's too late.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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Sir Mets,
cc: Sir PBA,
that is why many sports minded pinoy like me are advocating that a Department of Sports should be created by our elected officials ASAP.
with that, it should be align to the DepEd and put the PE subject down to the kindergarten level
Note: I'm more critical on the female sides on this discussion because as we all know they are the most populous than men.
as per my personal observation, I haven't seen too many PE activities on some public schools nowadays even in the school's covered courts
much more on an open field "ayaw mangitim sayang ang whitening lotion at iwasan pag pawisan kasi bawas ganda points". trans. there's no place like show business and Pageant competition are very much active majority of barangays in the archipelago.
majority of young gens nowadays most likely spend more time posting sexy dance move in a very skimpy wet dress and sometimes mimicking dirty raps with snappy sounds and lyrics about actions on the bed all night long.
when kids with smartphones are bored nowadays, heaven forbid, they could do things "More than Meet The Eyes".
oh dear.
the LGU's should really spearhead the sports activities down to the barangay levels and put a sports program that could cater during dry and wet seasons.
the N.G. cannot do it alone it's a wholistic approach really.
and the newly launch National Academy of Sports (NAS) are still in the infancy so don't expect that they could produce an elite athlete in a snap of a finger.
hopefully, we could see the product of NAS in LA 2028
Be patient with the process.
cc: Sir PBA,
that is why many sports minded pinoy like me are advocating that a Department of Sports should be created by our elected officials ASAP.
with that, it should be align to the DepEd and put the PE subject down to the kindergarten level
Note: I'm more critical on the female sides on this discussion because as we all know they are the most populous than men.
as per my personal observation, I haven't seen too many PE activities on some public schools nowadays even in the school's covered courts
much more on an open field "ayaw mangitim sayang ang whitening lotion at iwasan pag pawisan kasi bawas ganda points". trans. there's no place like show business and Pageant competition are very much active majority of barangays in the archipelago.
majority of young gens nowadays most likely spend more time posting sexy dance move in a very skimpy wet dress and sometimes mimicking dirty raps with snappy sounds and lyrics about actions on the bed all night long.
when kids with smartphones are bored nowadays, heaven forbid, they could do things "More than Meet The Eyes".
oh dear.
the LGU's should really spearhead the sports activities down to the barangay levels and put a sports program that could cater during dry and wet seasons.
the N.G. cannot do it alone it's a wholistic approach really.
and the newly launch National Academy of Sports (NAS) are still in the infancy so don't expect that they could produce an elite athlete in a snap of a finger.
hopefully, we could see the product of NAS in LA 2028
Be patient with the process.
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WinningGuy2
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What we need to do is, like I said, start a tradition of doing physical activities early. Identify those who are going to be extremely tall by around 10. Ramp up athletic and ball-handling training for those prospects. Then aim to send them to the US or Europe for high school (15/16 yrs old at the latest).
Like I've mentioned countless times, Gemao's timeline is a feasible example for a homegrown. Started athletic training (plyo, speed, etc) really early, worked on ball-handling early and always played up against older comp. Then went to the US at 15/16. If he was 2 or more inches taller, he'd have D1 offers.
Expecting support from the government, schools or whoever should not be the mindset, it is idiotic since we know how incompetent and self-serving they are. Like Gemao, develop your vital fundamentals as early as possible on your own. Waiting for someone else's help will only come once you already have use for them, by that time, it's too late.
It would be great if a rich person who just loved basketball would open up an affordable athletics academy.
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Dotch2
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It would be great if a rich person who just loved basketball would open up an affordable athletics academy.
We need our very own Luol Deng.
Context: Deng personally financed SSD basketball team, paying for their hotel and airfares since 4 years ago. He earned more than $166M in salary in his 15 seasons in the NBA
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Metta2
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We need our very own Luol Deng.
Context: Deng personally financed SSD basketball team, paying for their hotel and airfares since 4 years ago. He earned more than $166M in salary in his 15 seasons in the NBA
I don't think SSD is comparable to us. SSD is home to a lot of naturally freakishly tall and athletic population like the Dinka tribe (from the movie The Air Up There). They were like a cave full of gold just waiting to be mined. In our case, there is no such cave.
In our scenario, a Luol Deng type of guy would be better served to pursue boxing prospects from all parts of the country and provide top notch training for them. Potential boxing prodigies are all over our country.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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We need our very own Luol Deng.
Context: Deng personally financed SSD basketball team, paying for their hotel and airfares since 4 years ago. He earned more than $166M in salary in his 15 seasons in the NBA
Sir Dotch,
as for our basketball landscape obiviously theirs MVP and RSA
whether we fully appreciated or not the works of his minions like the ff. Grandpa Al P., Ricky V and Chualay our criticisms towards them are still on-going.
previously, as for our Filipinas Football team, theirs Jefferson Cheng the businessman from Davao.
whom as per different news articles are spending at least 9 very serious digits just for the training both for our Girls under and Senior level for the purpose of going deeper on the next cycles of WC and continue improving our current ranking eventually.
but unfortunately when the newly on-board elected officials at the PFF impose there own agenda because they are the so-called "We are the New Men of the Block".
the result, majority of the officials who works behind the curtains for that historic 2023 WC suddenly submitted their official resignation because the NMOB wants to re-structured that successful program and that was not cool for Team Cheng.
oh dear, until now the new PFF hasn't found a new benefactor in the same breath as Jeff Cheng.
now it's literally back to square one our Womens Football program
man oh man!!
that is why our own Baseball landscape had almost(?) the same narrative during those early days.
marami kasing pabida bida at pabibo bibo sa kultura natin eh...trans. Filipino Pride Chicken wants to become that handsome matinee idol all the way all the time.
that is why. pasaway.
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ARMIR2
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Sir Dotch,
as for our basketball landscape obiviously theirs MVP and RSA
whether we fully appreciated or not the works of his minions like the ff. Grandpa Al P., Ricky V and Chualay our criticisms towards them are still on-going.
previously, as for our Filipinas Football team, theirs Jefferson Cheng the businessman from Davao.
whom as per different news articles are spending at least 9 very serious digits just for the training both for our Girls under and Senior level for the purpose of going deeper on the next cycles of WC and continue improving our current ranking eventually.
but unfortunately when the newly on-board elected officials at the PFF impose there own agenda because they are the so-called "We are the New Men of the Block".
the result, majority of the officials who works behind the curtains for that historic 2023 WC suddenly submitted their official resignation because the NMOB wants to re-structured that successful program and that was not cool for Team Cheng.
oh dear, until now the new PFF hasn't found a new benefactor in the same breath as Jeff Cheng.
now it's literally back to square one our Womens Football program
man oh man!!
that is why our own Baseball landscape had almost(?) the same narrative during those early days.
marami kasing pabida bida at pabibo bibo sa kultura natin eh...trans. Filipino Pride Chicken wants to become that handsome matinee idol all the way all the time.
that is why. pasaway.
Way too many Chiefs,there should only be one.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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Way too many Chiefs,there should only be one.
Sir Armir,
cc: Sir Dotch, Sir Mets,
the Program of the Mens side should be the top priority instead of those so-called New Men on the Block because it is in a shaky situation.
now it spillover towards our Womens side because of the recent exodus of those benefactors.
indeed too many Cooks and Chefs working on a certain recipe turns the food into a very awful taste.
as for the other benefactors,
I think we could add the Pacman in that Luol Deng storyline.
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Metta2
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Sir Armir,
cc: Sir Dotch, Sir Mets,
the Program of the Mens side should be the top priority instead of those so-called New Men on the Block because it is in a shaky situation.
now it spillover towards our Womens side because of the recent exodus of those benefactors.
indeed too many Cooks and Chefs working on a certain recipe turns the food into a very awful taste.
as for the other benefactors,
I think we could add the Pacman in that Luol Deng storyline.
I know you like books, there's another one called Anti-fragile.
We have to make ourselves anti-fragile. We know from history that the government, SBP, schools or whoever do not have our best interests at heart. They all have their own self-interest. They will only care about you if their self-interest aligns with it.
Knowing that, we have to figure out ways to develop our youth prospects without relying on them early on. Again, Gemao.