Philippines Cadet/Developmental Team

[IPC2]

A basketball federation should have a general offensive system taught at all levels from 1st year high school onwards, the offensive schemes NZ (flow) have are taught at the high school level and city rep system, that is why whoever is promoted to the senior level does not start from zero, furthermore it forces all players regardless of height or position to learn basic skills ( shooting and moving without the ball) . It seems like in the Philippines players have to adopt and learn a new system every time they have a new coach or team . And there so much just standing around unless a play is called. (essentially there is no flow) and if there are plays the movement of the players isn't really fluid , very stagnant

it may help if players play net ball ( no dribble basketball) or soccer so they appreciate spatial awareness and when to cut. most seem to be orinted with 3x3 type of basketball, where it's really stationary , with iso and all movement is only on strong side , not weak

if the game is taught this way , it's essentially position less and there actually no low post ( but high handoffs) so everyone has to shoot and know how dribble and know how to cut .. rather than everyone being a Russel Westbrook LOL

I've also been advocating for a positionless basketball at the youth levels. Everyone has to play in the perimeter, so that taller players would have an easier time adjusting to perimeter positions.

And agreed on the ball and player movement part. This is what I'd hoped would be integrated into the youth team. In my case, add defense to the list. We need an identity, and it starts at the youth level. Pero it seems that we're still gonna find it until SBP wakes the fuck up.

 

[Silent Killer2]

I've also been advocating for a positionless basketball at the youth levels. Everyone has to play in the perimeter, so that taller players would have an easier time adjusting to perimeter positions.

And agreed on the ball and player movement part. This is what I'd hoped would be integrated into the youth team. In my case, add defense to the list. We need an identity, and it starts at the youth level. Pero it seems that we're still gonna find it until SBP wakes the fuck up.

basketball australia has one system from youth to boomers level..

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I think we can all agree that players are not the problem.

Like Coach Tab said, I think Filipino Players Talentwise can potentially be top 15 in the world.

But it is the development side and sports politics system that we need

 

[mapuakid]

I think we can all agree that players are not the problem.

Like Coach Tab said, I think Filipino Players Talentwise can potentially be top 15 in the world.

But it is the development side and sports politics system that we need

Lol. If we speak about talent, PH couldn’t even produced homegrown filipinos to play US-NCAA D1 or basketball academy abroad and some of you we’re dreaming to be top15 in the world though.

Talo pa din talaga tayo ng China, Japan and Korea and the powerhouse middle-arab countries when it comes to development.


And also, we couldn’t even produce consistent shooters ala-caidic. It’s always gilas problem. Lol

 

[IPC2]

Lol. If we speak about talent, PH couldn’t even produced homegrown filipinos to play US-NCAA D1 or basketball academy abroad and some of you we’re dreaming to be top15 in the world though.

Talo pa din talaga tayo ng China, Japan and Korea and the powerhouse middle-arab countries when it comes to development.


And also, we couldn’t even produce consistent shooters ala-caidic. It’s always gilas problem. Lol

Honestly, we can't produce off-ball players that can shoot ala Caidic, Heading, Chan. We barely see those kind of players in the homegrown scene. Yeah, we have Suerte, who can cut, then Bulanadi and Abando, but not much else. Plus, few can shoot in the FIBA scene like Caidic, Heading, and Chan.

And development, man. Bigs, lamang natin sa development kaysa Japan and SoKor, e. But wings and forwards, we still have a ways to go.

Kailangan talaga systemic change dito, e.

 

[IPC2]

Been looking at Jeff Chan highlights.

After looking at them, I'm asking, why aren't more shooters emulating Jeff Chan? As in, not just spot-ups and stepbacks, but shooting on the move, off the catch, moving great off the ball.

Honestly, I wanna see more homegrowns emulate Jeff Chan. For scorers, having Jeff Chan's arsenal would add another threat.

 

[DAdmiral]

Ken Tuffin, who learned to shoot in FEU

 

[IPC2]

Ken Tuffin, who learned to shoot in FEU

So, we have the likes of Tuffin, Bulanadi, Abando, Suerte as 23-26 year old homegrowns who can move off the ball and shoot it off the catch. We'll need to develop more.

Also, getting used to getting shots off against length would be nice.

 

[mapuakid]

Ken Tuffin, who learned to shoot in FEU

Is there higher probability that he could play for tall blacks? I’m not really sure if he could play in Gilas under coach chot.

 

[mapuakid]

Honestly, we can't produce off-ball players that can shoot ala Caidic, Heading, Chan. We barely see those kind of players in the homegrown scene. Yeah, we have Suerte, who can cut, then Bulanadi and Abando, but not much else. Plus, few can shoot in the FIBA scene like Caidic, Heading, and Chan.

And development, man. Bigs, lamang natin sa development kaysa Japan and SoKor, e. But wings and forwards, we still have a ways to go.

Kailangan talaga systemic change dito, e.

We’ll see in the fiba asia age groups if gilas youth could produce the next sottos especially the pa-overhype players of enzo flojo.

 

[IPC2]

We’ll see in the fiba asia age groups if gilas youth could produce the next sottos especially the pa-overhype players of enzo flojo.

At least Tamayo-level bigs (in terms of talent and upside). I really hope the likes of Gagate, Demisana, and Perciano are good, not just hype.

Gagate and Demisana are Jr. NBA though, hope that means something in those comps.

 

[mapuakid]

At least Tamayo-level bigs (in terms of talent and upside). I really hope the likes of Gagate, Demisana, and Perciano are good, not just hype.

Gagate and Demisana are Jr. NBA though, hope that means something in those comps.

If they’re good, why there’s no invite to play in nba academy just like derrick of Indonesia? That’s my approach when were talking about talent. If you’re good, scouts will notice your talent.

 

[IPC2]

We’ll see in the fiba asia age groups if gilas youth could produce the next sottos especially the pa-overhype players of enzo flojo.

And it's gonna be a long and painful wait for the FIBA youth competitions. They're 3 months away.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Lol. If we speak about talent, PH couldn’t even produced homegrown filipinos to play US-NCAA D1 or basketball academy abroad and some of you we’re dreaming to be top15 in the world though.

Talo pa din talaga tayo ng China, Japan and Korea and the powerhouse middle-arab countries when it comes to development.


And also, we couldn’t even produce consistent shooters ala-caidic. It’s always gilas problem. Lol

Exactly. Because of development.

The only homegrown Filipino Player who could have played in US NCAA if he chose that path was Kai Sotto. And you can even say Kai is just an exception.

Lopez was invited and signed to OTE. The same league Jean Montero is playing to. Does that Count?

Having said that, I believe Our Homegrown Players would have even been better if they are developed the right way.
For ex. Japeth. If he was developed overseas, I think he would be a very good athletic SF.

Anyway, we are not limited to Homegrowns. Ofc we will have the likes of Dwight Ramos, Caelum,Edu Brothers, Amos Brothers and other potential eligible Filams/Fil Foreign. Overseas Based. And ofc the NP like JC who could potentially elevate us to a top 15.

 

[tomcat]

basketball australia has one system from youth to boomers level..

All age groups should be schooled in only one system – the system that is favoured for the seniors. That means that by the time young players are ready to take the next step up, they are already prepared for what is to come.

 

[thatweirdguy]

Exactly. Because of development.

The only homegrown Filipino Player who could have played in US NCAA if he chose that path was Kai Sotto. And you can even say Kai is just an exception.

Lopez was invited and signed to OTE. The same league Jean Montero is playing to. Does that Count?

Having said that, I believe Our Homegrown Players would have even been better if they are developed the right way.
For ex. Japeth. If he was developed overseas, I think he would be a very good athletic SF.

Anyway, we are not limited to Homegrowns. Ofc we will have the likes of Dwight Ramos, Caelum,Edu Brothers, Amos Brothers and other potential eligible Filams/Fil Foreign. Overseas Based. And ofc the NP like JC who could potentially elevate us to a top 15.

Because Kai is 7'3 and not a total stiff. But how many 7'3 Pinoy kids who doesn't have gigantism do we produce?

We don't even have someone to replace Chan. Our best shooter might be someone who was developed abroad.
Heck our head coach would rather trust former retiree Kwill over a supposed high potential player who got offers abroad.

 

[mapuakid]

Exactly. Because of development.

The only homegrown Filipino Player who could have played in US NCAA if he chose that path was Kai Sotto. And you can even say Kai is just an exception.

Lopez was invited and signed to OTE. The same league Jean Montero is playing to. Does that Count?

Having said that, I believe Our Homegrown Players would have even been better if they are developed the right way.
For ex. Japeth. If he was developed overseas, I think he would be a very good athletic SF.

Anyway, we are not limited to Homegrowns. Ofc we will have the likes of Dwight Ramos, Caelum,Edu Brothers, Amos Brothers and other potential eligible Filams/Fil Foreign. Overseas Based. And ofc the NP like JC who could potentially elevate us to a top 15.

I know you’re die hard gilas fan but too much overhype would lead you to disappointment.

 

[mapuakid]

Because Kai is 7'3 and not a total stiff. But how many 7'3 Pinoy kids who doesn't have gigantism do we produce?

We don't even have someone to replace Chan. Our best shooter might be someone who was developed abroad.
Heck our head coach would rather trust former retiree Kwill over a supposed high potential player who got offers abroad.

not just centers, but tall wingmen as well. homegrown talents that sbp/filo private sponsors could send overseas on regular basis.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I know you’re die hard gilas fan but too much overhype would lead you to disappointment.

Not really. I can manage myself. Thanks for the concern though.

Anyway, I am not really a fan of Coach Chot. So I wont expect that top 15 anytime soon. Lol.

Just saying our homegrown talents could have been developed better.

 

[IPC2]

Here's a piece from Hakeem Olajuwon in the Players' Tribune back in 2016: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/hakeem-olajuwon-houston-rockets-big-men-small-ball

I got this quote too: "Small ball won’t eliminate big men, but it might eliminate our old ideas of positions. Everyone likes to compare eras, but it’s possible that today’s big men are more skilled as all-around players than ever before."

I think honestly we could use this quote and build on it. If for example, a 6'4"-6'8" teenage player shows the skillset of a perimeter player, why not use him as a perimeter player, no, and enhance it, instead of just sticking him inside to rebound or protect the paint?