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Philippines Cadet/Developmental Team

Well with the graduation of all the bigs of ateneo(erram,golla,buenafe) Newsome will be a 4 next year, with the most likely entrance of Ravena and minutes for pessumal and Capacio.

I feel bad for his development.

1 player who i hoped could have been a 3, but ended up as a 4 is Aljon mariano. You see his potential with his dribbling skills and perimeter game, but if they developed him to be a 3, I think he would have been a much better prospect coming out of college than now.
 
Can SBP shoulder the scholarship of our future cadets? Cadets will choose the school they want but they will not be allowed to join the school team.. :)
 
then everyone will go to either Ateneo or San Beda.

It will be a conflict of interest.
 
I think the idea is fine, it won't matter if they go to San Beba or Ateneo. By contract they are only supposed to play for country and not the school.
 
I think the idea is fine, it won't matter if they go to San Beba or Ateneo. By contract they are only supposed to play for country and not the school.

It will be hard to match what the schools are offering.From the offers that I know, SBP will be hard up matching the following for one student.

1. free tuition fee until age 24
2. free accomodation (house not room) for both student and parents.
3.car plus driver
4. living allowance- actually a salary disguised as allowance
5. parent's new job- paying at middle management level.

I'm not saying pick one but the entire package for one national level player.
I think it will not be cost effective.
 
Well with the graduation of all the bigs of ateneo(erram,golla,buenafe) Newsome will be a 4 next year, with the most likely entrance of Ravena and minutes for pessumal and Capacio.

I feel bad for his development.

1 player who i hoped could have been a 3, but ended up as a 4 is Aljon mariano. You see his potential with his dribbling skills and perimeter game, but if they developed him to be a 3, I think he would have been a much better prospect coming out of college than now.

mariano ain't really a 4..he is listed as one but is not treated as a traditional one. besides he is only 6'3 at best so even at sf he'll be undersized internationally.
 
It will be hard to match what the schools are offering.From the offers that I know, SBP will be hard up matching the following for one student.

1. free tuition fee until age 24
2. free accomodation (house not room) for both student and parents.
3.car plus driver
4. living allowance- actually a salary disguised as allowance
5. parent's new job- paying at middle management level.

I'm not saying pick one but the entire package for one national level player.
I think it will not be cost effective.

I think your mis informed. Not all schools do this. Letran,UST, FEU, JRU to name a few does not practice giving this perks to their players but still they are perenial contenders coz of good system, good training and decent coaching. So SBP just need to ignore those special players and just get those players who's willing to grind it for the Philippines.
 
I think your mis informed. Not all schools do this. Letran,UST, FEU, JRU to name a few does not practice giving this perks to their players but still they are perenial contenders coz of good system, good training and decent coaching. So SBP just need to ignore those special players and just get those players who's willing to grind it for the Philippines.

My mistake then. I didn't mean to generalise. Schools offer players perks to different extents. Either the tuition fee perk only or plus the accommodation perk etc. But don't be naive saying not all schools do this. to redirect the discussion, we were on the topic that SBP fund the perks given by the schools so that they can serve the national team and not be under the digression of the schools. It has nothing to do with perennial contenders, systems or trainings. As of present, whether the players is a star player or a bench warmer or from an NCAA or UAAP school, the decision to release the players or not is under the respective schools and SBP is powerless against it. What forumers are saying is that if it took over the perks side for national level players from schools, then they are at SBP's beckon call (good argument). My contention is, it is not cost effective for SBP to do this considering the perks that some (not all ) schools give out to these talented players. Your contention is (I maybe corrected), this is not happening in all schools, ignore the national level players and get those players irregardless of talent. My friend, am I really that misinformed???

Maybe we should just let BAP do its thing and let the WILLING players represent us... easier for us ,isn't it. So why is SBP banging it's head against a brick wall and just not let second tier players play the game for us? Maybe we can tell Chot that he is misinformed as well trying to recruit the unwilling or tell Nardy that he is wasting his time trying to recruit Fil-For players who are unwilling and just spend his time taking care of his family because we can just take the easy road ala BAP.

If you are content with mediocrity, that's your call but if you allow me a little bit of your patience and read on either of only 2 things can happen: a. you are going to be defensive and react negatively and continue arguing your point to the point that it is indefensible or b. I would have found another person to help in the cause .

I believe in representation of the country in all levels of sporting events. However, international representation, is not merely an exercise of social interaction but more importantly, an international window of the country to the world. How we do in any international tournament, reflects and impacts upon the international community. It's trickle down effect can be seen and felt in the realms of international diplomacy, economics, politics, tourism to name a few. I can even mention the effect it has on nationalism, self respect, international respect, making new friends and allies, exchange of ideas et al. However, how we do in a competitive sporting event measures the degree of commitment we have in the sport and unfortunately, is either getting smiled upon or frowned upon by the powers that be.
National representation now being the face of the nation in the chosen event, have to be represented by the "best athletes" in the country. Or at least the best athletes to make the best team. How we play in sport is how we view life...I maybe asked to be a water boy sometimes but I think I will be overqualified for the job.:) I make a lot of mistakes and maybe misinformed or misled at times by people who think they know better, but in this case, I don't think I am misinformed. As to the perks discussion, let's just say, a little bird told me....;)
 
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Please don't ever pick Romeo to be part of our team Pilipinas Cadets if he continues to play like these, the MVP "Most Vwaya Player." Romeo is a good player but sadly he is such a ballhog and not a good decision maker. Right now I don't see him as perfect fit for our national team and his style will not be effective in a team oriented FIBA basketball. I don't see him having a chance to be part of our national team if he continues to plays like that, he will do more harm than good.

Right now the perfect fit to be included in the new batch of Cadets are:

Ray Ray Parks SG
Keifer Ravena PG/SG
Arnold VanOpstal at Powerforward
Almazan at Powerforward
Kevin Ferrer at SF/SG
Teng brothers SG
Baser Amer PG
Newsome SG/SF
Sumang PG
Vosotros PG
Torres PF/C
Brondial PF/SF
Aljon Mariano SG/SF
Perkins PF

And the senior Cadets that must be retain:

Ian Sanggalang SF/PF
RR Garcia PG
Kevin Alas PG
Greg Slaugter C
 
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Not related to basketball, but it's clear that some schools would do anything to keep their players from having to do anything with the National team:

Jaron Genota @jarongenota 3s
FEU has refused to release players for U23
& U16. Getting reports now that even U19
players, once they're back, will not be
allowed anymore.

-- of course, he's referring to the U-23 Azkals. And the UAAP football season still four months away.

http://www.spin.ph/sports/football/news/school-vs-country-row-flares-up-again-ahead-of-under-16-teams-trip-to-kl

The above link shows the problem on schools lending players to the National Team is not exclusive to basketball only. And this also shows even if there is no conflict in schedule, some schools are not keen on making their student-athletes available for national duty. This means the suggestions on moving sports to another semester to make the local league schedules sync with international tournament scheduling will not matter at all.

With a number of schools not prioritizing duty to country over its interest to win at all costs in the local school leagues .... With the SBP is already so problematic already on not being able to get team sponsorship from both public and private sources, how do you suggest we handle this ?
 
http://www.spin.ph/sports/football/news/school-vs-country-row-flares-up-again-ahead-of-under-16-teams-trip-to-kl

The above link shows the problem on schools lending players to the National Team is not exclusive to basketball only. And this also shows even if there is no conflict in schedule, some schools are not keen on making their student-athletes available for national duty. This means the suggestions on moving sports to another semester to make the local league schedules sync with international tournament scheduling will not matter at all.

With a number of schools not prioritizing duty to country over its interest to win at all costs in the local school leagues .... With the SBP is already so problematic already on not being able to get team sponsorship from both public and private sources, how do you suggest we handle this ?

I dont think of any but Make the school calendar like the american school calendar. September to june classes? But this one is already aged old suggestion.
 
I dont think of any but Make the school calendar like the american school calendar. September to june classes? But this one is already aged old suggestion.

UP is now moving the school year to August - May. :)

Then again, like Nardy said, it's not really about the schedule. Because as we see, even if their is no scheduling conflict, they still are not willing to release their prized athletes.
 
UP is now moving the school year to August - May. :)

Then again, like Nardy said, it's not really about the schedule. Because as we see, even if their is no scheduling conflict, they still are not willing to release their prized athletes.

Yea, the reality.. even at school breaks.
 
My mistake then. I didn't mean to generalise. Schools offer players perks to different extents. Either the tuition fee perk only or plus the accommodation perk etc. But don't be naive saying not all schools do this. to redirect the discussion, we were on the topic that SBP fund the perks given by the schools so that they can serve the national team and not be under the digression of the schools. It has nothing to do with perennial contenders, systems or trainings. As of present, whether the players is a star player or a bench warmer or from an NCAA or UAAP school, the decision to release the players or not is under the respective schools and SBP is powerless against it. What forumers are saying is that if it took over the perks side for national level players from schools, then they are at SBP's beckon call (good argument). My contention is, it is not cost effective for SBP to do this considering the perks that some (not all ) schools give out to these talented players. Your contention is (I maybe corrected), this is not happening in all schools, ignore the national level players and get those players irregardless of talent. My friend, am I really that misinformed???

Maybe we should just let BAP do its thing and let the WILLING players represent us... easier for us ,isn't it. So why is SBP banging it's head against a brick wall and just not let second tier players play the game for us? Maybe we can tell Chot that he is misinformed as well trying to recruit the unwilling or tell Nardy that he is wasting his time trying to recruit Fil-For players who are unwilling and just spend his time taking care of his family because we can just take the easy road ala BAP.

If you are content with mediocrity, that's your call but if you allow me a little bit of your patience and read on either of only 2 things can happen: a. you are going to be defensive and react negatively and continue arguing your point to the point that it is indefensible or b. I would have found another person to help in the cause .

I believe in representation of the country in all levels of sporting events. However, international representation, is not merely an exercise of social interaction but more importantly, an international window of the country to the world. How we do in any international tournament, reflects and impacts upon the international community. It's trickle down effect can be seen and felt in the realms of international diplomacy, economics, politics, tourism to name a few. I can even mention the effect it has on nationalism, self respect, international respect, making new friends and allies, exchange of ideas et al. However, how we do in a competitive sporting event measures the degree of commitment we have in the sport and unfortunately, is either getting smiled upon or frowned upon by the powers that be.
National representation now being the face of the nation in the chosen event, have to be represented by the "best athletes" in the country. Or at least the best athletes to make the best team. How we play in sport is how we view life...I maybe asked to be a water boy sometimes but I think I will be overqualified for the job.:) I make a lot of mistakes and maybe misinformed or misled at times by people who think they know better, but in this case, I don't think I am misinformed. As to the perks discussion, let's just say, a little bird told me....;)

wow can't believe you went on all of this trouble for a simple statement. you must learn how to read between the lines.
ask chot if he sent our best players for FIBA ASIA, and im sure he already went on record that Gilas 2 (and Gilas 1) didn't have our best players, he chose the players that suited his system and was willing to grind it for Pinas so are you saying Chot,SBP,MVP went Mediocre at GIlas 1 & 2 and our GNP & GDP went down, tourist stop coming and diplomatic relations with other countries weaken? haha :p

i was just trying to adopt that to our junior level, why go all out begging for the Ravena's, Park's and AVO's when they are not willing to PLay for you and me. i rather have the Sumang's, Baloria's, Almazan's who are also good or maybe even better than those unwilling to PLay. :p or do you think the basketball pool of the philippines are too shallow that we can only send those special players, and that your son can dominate here. hehe.jk. strike that last comment. haha:p

maybe the little bird who informed you has a little birdie.. i know for a fact most schools doesn't give or don't have the capacity to give the perks that you are saying. Free tuition and monthly living and food allowance and bonuses in won championships is normal. and i think SBP can compete with this. that's all i was trying to say. Next time don't forget to take your BP maintenance. haha..:p
 
wow can't believe you went on all of this trouble for a simple statement. you must learn how to read between the lines.
ask chot if he sent our best players for FIBA ASIA, and im sure he already went on record that Gilas 2 (and Gilas 1) didn't have our best players, he chose the players that suited his system and was willing to grind it for Pinas so are you saying Chot,SBP,MVP went Mediocre at GIlas 1 & 2 and our GNP & GDP went down, tourist stop coming and diplomatic relations with other countries weaken? haha :p

i was just trying to adopt that to our junior level, why go all out begging for the Ravena's, Park's and AVO's when they are not willing to PLay for you and me. i rather have the Sumang's, Baloria's, Almazan's who are also good or maybe even better than those unwilling to PLay. :p or do you think the basketball pool of the philippines are too shallow that we can only send those special players, and that your son can dominate here. hehe.jk. strike that last comment. haha:p

maybe the little bird who informed you has a little birdie.. i know for a fact most schools doesn't give or don't have the capacity to give the perks that you are saying. Free tuition and monthly living and food allowance and bonuses in won championships is normal. and i think SBP can compete with this. that's all i was trying to say. Next time don't forget to take your BP maintenance. haha..:p

The SBP is not out there to compete with its stakeholders what we are asking is full heartedly support and cooperation. In Gilas 1.0 when we have the newly grads player contracts to entice them to remain "amateur", it was not welcomed by the PBA and they were then short of saying we are sabatoging the PBA Rookie Draft as the SBP kept the best non-PBA players from joining the Pro League. Then at the same time MVP could not keep up with the natural demand for a higher salary for all players after initially giving something higher than the max PBA rookie contracts can offer.

As mentioned already by Al Panlilio of MVP Sports Foundation, they could not shoulder everything and they need help from others. With all the sports teams and organizations is now supporting, I could see his patience thinning as first and foremost is a businessman and not a philantropist. With more and more NSA seeking his assistance, the sporting community is becoming abusive of his generosity. With Politicians also our Sports leaders, some are using more their position for personal gain than improvement of the sport.

The proposed Philippine High School for Sports and the Sports Academy could be the answer to our woes. Now on how the government handles this is going to be critical.
 
wow can't believe you went on all of this trouble for a simple statement. you must learn how to read between the lines.
ask chot if he sent our best players for FIBA ASIA, and im sure he already went on record that Gilas 2 (and Gilas 1) didn't have our best players, he chose the players that suited his system and was willing to grind it for Pinas so are you saying Chot,SBP,MVP went Mediocre at GIlas 1 & 2 and our GNP & GDP went down, tourist stop coming and diplomatic relations with other countries weaken? haha :p

i was just trying to adopt that to our junior level, why go all out begging for the Ravena's, Park's and AVO's when they are not willing to PLay for you and me. i rather have the Sumang's, Baloria's, Almazan's who are also good or maybe even better than those unwilling to PLay. :p or do you think the basketball pool of the philippines are too shallow that we can only send those special players, and that your son can dominate here. hehe.jk. strike that last comment. haha:p

maybe the little bird who informed you has a little birdie.. i know for a fact most schools doesn't give or don't have the capacity to give the perks that you are saying. Free tuition and monthly living and food allowance and bonuses in won championships is normal. and i think SBP can compete with this. that's all i was trying to say. Next time don't forget to take your BP maintenance. haha..:p

Bless you...
 
I dont think of any but Make the school calendar like the american school calendar. September to june classes? But this one is already aged old suggestion.

no no no.. i respectfully oppose this.. there is a purpose why vacation is called SUMMER vacation.. it is for kids to do other things outdoors or without any hindrances like rain.. and family vacations as well.. what kind of vacation can a family have while there is habagat or typhoons.. nope not good solution..

special home study options is one..
 
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