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I'll be busy for a while but I'm anticipating some of the answers and questions to be thrown.

First, if you read those verdicts (a lot of which were later on reversed, some still on appeal), the conviction were based on "Marcos couldn't have earned that large fortune" , some would even cite his income taxes.

Im not sure if this is the right term but there was this they call "transcription" period for claimants for the WW2 loots. It was set at 50 years. After that period, whoever possesses it owns it by default. That's why Marcos couldn't just declare those possessions.

Marcos was actually wanting to give this back to tje people and had negotiations with cory's emissaries but the kamag anak incorporated wanted it for themselves. That's how greedy that family is. Cory even refused to operate the nuclear power plant despite the Filipinos suffering and the economy suffering from those Nationwide blackouts.

Kung may darkest years man, hnd Yan nung martial law kundi panahon ng reyna Ng brownout.

What????????????????????????????????????

Do you seriously believe that?

Kaya pala hanggang ngayon grabe opposition nina Imelda, Bongbong at Imee sa pag-sasauli ng Marcos ill-gotten wealth sa Philippine government.

Bro, kung ikaw nabubulagan ka dahil sa mga biases mo, please spare us from your delusion.
 
The first paragraph you can just copy and paste to your browser coz I quoted that verbatim. A more independent and detailed article I recommend is in this link which I posted earlier

https://larouchepub.com/other/2004/site_packages/econ_hitmen/3150philipp_coup.html

Mike Bellington is a convicted felon, conspiracy to commit mail fraud. Billington solicited 131 loans from 85 people that totaled $1.24 million even though he knew the money would not be repaid. Which is similar to what Marcos did to our country.

Beside he isn't a economist. Do you have any other subject matter expert and has atleast a Master in international economics.
 
Natural disasters andyan pero Yung man-made disaster na economic policies? Yung TRAIN at rice tarification law Ng administration Alam mo ba kng gano kabigat ang epekto Nyan sa magsasaka? Hnd ako natatawa dahil dyan kundi sa mga sinabi mo na kala mo napakaganda ng nagawa ni Duterte. May maliit na sakahan pa kami dto sa bulacan Kaya Alam ko ang bigat Ng pasanin na Yan. Something na pikit mata lng ang mga fanatico. TRAIN law as if hnd pa patong patong any mga pabigat na buwis mula EVAT hanggang EPIRA. Panahon ni Marcos na minumura mura nyo kakaunti lng at minimal ang taxes pero kabikabila aang infrastructures. Bkt hnd ang sectarian businesses ang patawan Ng buwis? Takot ba sa simbahan ang duterte?

Well marami naman benefits ang train law di ko na kailangan isa-isahin di naman ako ekonomista, i'm sure ikaw din... kung may maliit kayong sakahan dyan sa bulacan e meron din kami sa mindanao wala nga kinikita narinig mo naman siguro mga poblema dun right?. tulad mo gusto rin namin mabago sistema but mag reklamo ng reklamo? no marami poblema bansa yung may makita tayo improvements kahit maliit o malaki dapat lahat ready to sacrifice for the best of the country. matagal na panahon na wala mga marcos iba panahon noon at ngayon ibang iba na you need to move on.

and yes i agree sectarian business need to pay taxes too!
 
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Politics is a pr game from Duterte to Isko Moreno, who s now building a brand of being an action man without the killing part..all bout branding

As for the policy implementation, its not a one man show, its the sponsors( now the villars, smc, davao group, chinese) are the financiers, and still the cabinet are calling the x and O's
 
So we can tag Steve Kerr being an ultra liberalist as American version of dilawan.. hehe
 
I'm curious to know what Filipino IBNers think of Reddit Philippines.

I go to that subreddit from time to time and, honestly, the things they post about politics always make me cringe. Puro reklamo na lang ang mga posts. It's become an echo-chamber for anti-Duterte Pinoys and it's annoying as fuck. I'm not even a Duterte supporter but that sub is just insufferable.
 
Bros, how do you find Bato Dela Rosa's statement saying rape & murder convict Antonio Sanchez deserves a second chance in life.

I find such statement extremely ridiculous, stupid & kabobohan.

Here is a man who strongly pushes for the revival of the death penalty law, yet thinks that a hardened criminal like Sanchez, convicted of heinous crimes, would deserve a 2nd chance of life. I wonder if Bato ever thought of giving those dead poor drug poseurs of operation tokhang second chance of life. Kung yung anak kaya ni Bato ang ma rape, would he be talking of giving the suspect a second chance in life? Its a shame for a senator to make such statement. I just find it kabobohan. This actually reflects the mentality of Bato Dela Rosa.

Shame on you Bato.
 
You are hilarious.

Indonesia is aggressively defending their rights in the WPS and China did not even fire a single “watusi”

So what war are you talking about. I’m thinking “bayad” ang government natin courtesy of China..but that is just speculation but we will never know.. So I always keep an open mind. Our government should enforce it but everything about China ang bait ni Duterte even the current issue now, unfair sa China if we ban them. How about being fair for your fellow filipinos Duterte.

With the VFA about to be terminated because of the over reaction of Duterte dahil sa visa ni Bato will it affect out Mutual Defense Treaty?

Pare it's not a tribunal ruling but an arbitrary one. Naglitis Ng Wala tayong kalaban because the chinks never honored that. Nanalo tayo sa arbitrary, masyado nmng nakakahiya kng wlng kalaban sina sell Rosario sa hearing tapos natalo pa. Pero cg congratulations nanalo tayo, ngayon ang tanong, who enforces that? The UN will not even life a finger there kht mag iiyak ka in. Ang US? you expect them to risk a war just for you? Pwd kng sila ang beneficiary tapos ikaw din ang mapipinsala. Gusto nyo Yan? How about, we enforce that ruling, ano, sama kayo? Isn't it obvious, iba ang ginagawa Ng kaliwant kamay sa kanang kamay. Ilan ang secret trips ni trillanes? What did we get? We lost Scarborough. And then out of zamabales soils the Chinese built their artificial islands tapos kayo dito aquino less evil? Magpapatalo ko sa usapang basketball pero sa kamangmangang lesser evil Aquino, no way.
 
This COA issue is going really bad. Lotta shady crap going on with some agencies.
 
Bros, how do you find Bato Dela Rosa's statement saying rape & murder convict Antonio Sanchez deserves a second chance in life.

I find such statement extremely ridiculous, stupid & kabobohan.

Here is a man who strongly pushes for the revival of the death penalty law, yet thinks that a hardened criminal like Sanchez, convicted of heinous crimes, would deserve a 2nd chance of life. I wonder if Bato ever thought of giving those dead poor drug poseurs of operation tokhang second chance of life. Kung yung anak kaya ni Bato ang ma rape, would he be talking of giving the suspect a second chance in life? Its a shame for a senator to make such statement. I just find it kabobohan. This actually reflects the mentality of Bato Dela Rosa.

Shame on you Bato.

And this guy is running for president. God...
 
Well, as long as the Marcoses don't return to power (they'd really revise history, which is insulting to my history degree), or none from the Davao gang wins, it's all good.
 
Well, as long as the Marcoses don't return to power (they'd really revise history, which is insulting to my history degree), or none from the Davao gang wins, it's all good.

I couldn't agree with you more brother. Sadly, it seems the Marcoses are very successful in twisting the truth & in their attempt to revise history. An indication to that is Bongbong Marcos' edge in popularity among the Presidentiables.
 
I couldn't agree with you more brother. Sadly, it seems the Marcoses are very successful in twisting the truth & in their attempt to revise history. An indication to that is Bongbong Marcos' edge in popularity among the Presidentiables.

It's like discounting the experiences of the ones who suffered under the regime, like the IPs and Moros (who especially suffered). Not to mention the massacres of farmers and activists.

Also, their corruption was proved in Republic v. Sandiganbayan, G.R. No. 152154, where the Supreme Court ruled that the Marcos bank deposits were ill-gotten wealth. Marcos didn't even have a high salary as President, nor did he have a law practice.

What they're doing here is our equivalent of Holocaust denial, and just praising all the good the Nazis did for Germany (i.e. Autobahns, Volkswagen, economic revitalization, military strength).
 
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It's like discounting the experiences of the ones who suffered under the regime, like the IPs and Moros (who especially suffered). Not to mention the massacres of farmers and activists.

Also, their corruption was proved in Republic v. Sandiganbayan, G.R. No. 152154, where the Supreme Court ruled that the Marcos bank deposits were ill-gotten wealth. Marcos didn't even have a high salary as President, nor did he have a law practice.

What they're doing here is our equivalent of Holocaust denial, and just praising all the good the Nazis did for Germany (i.e. Autobahns, Volkswagen, economic revitalization, military strength).

Those things are something that Marcos loyalists conveniently ignore. That's the problem if one is a fanatic, they tend to see only the positives while giving a blind eye to the negatives. Their rationale, logic & objectivity (or the lack thereof) are easily impaired.

I always throw hard facts like this to these poor-minded Marcos loyalists:

How could someone justify Ferdinand Marcos' 20 years of reign as President of the Philippines? That if not for the Edsa Revolution, Marcos wasn't compelled to step down from power. This is obviously greed for power. Sakim sa kapangyarihan. A common trait of tyrants & dictators like Joe Stalin, Mao Zedong, Muammar Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein. The most that Marcos should have stayed in power was 12 years (I think the Constitution allowed 2 terms for the President back then. Though I stand corrected by this.).

This is just one hard & "uncontroverted" fact that says a lot of the kind of personality of Ferdinand Marcos. A hard fact that someone with enough degree of rationale, logic & objectivity can easily analyze & discern.

Problem with most Marcos loyalists is that they would easily believe everything that they watch/read in the social media which are mostly twisted & fabricated, yet they would conveniently ignore hard & uncontroverted facts.
 
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Those things are something that Marcos loyalists conveniently ignore. That's the problem if one is a fanatic, they tend to see only the positives while giving a blind eye to the negatives. Their rationale, logic & objectivity (or the lack thereof) are easily impaired.

I always throw hard facts like this to these poor-minded Marcos loyalists:

How could someone justify Ferdinand Marcos' 20 years of reign as President of the Philippines? That if not for the Edsa Revolution, Marcos wasn't compelled to step down from power. This is obviously greed for power. Sakim sa kapangyarihan. A common trait of tyrants & dictators like Joe Stalin, Mao Zedong, Muammar Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein. The most that Marcos should have stayed in power was 12 years (I think the Constitution allowed 2 terms for the President back then. Though I stand corrected by this.).

This is just one hard & "uncontroverted" fact that says a lot of the kind of personality of Ferdinand Marcos. A hard fact that someone with enough degree of rationale, logic & objectivity can easily analyze.

Problem with most Marcos loyalists is that they would easily believe everything that they watch/read in the social media which are mostly twisted & fabricated, yet they would conveniently ignore hard & uncontroverted facts.

The term was 4 years, but yes, there was a two-term limit. The most Marcos shoulda stayed was 8.
 
Those things are something that Marcos loyalists conveniently ignore. That's the problem if one is a fanatic, they tend to see only the positives while giving a blind eye to the negatives. Their rationale, logic & objectivity (or the lack thereof) are easily impaired.

I always throw hard facts like this to these poor-minded Marcos loyalists:

How could someone justify Ferdinand Marcos' 20 years of reign as President of the Philippines? That if not for the Edsa Revolution, Marcos wasn't compelled to step down from power. This is obviously greed for power. Sakim sa kapangyarihan. A common trait of tyrants & dictators like Joe Stalin, Mao Zedong, Muammar Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein. The most that Marcos should have stayed in power was 12 years (I think the Constitution allowed 2 terms for the President back then. Though I stand corrected by this.).

This is just one hard & "uncontroverted" fact that says a lot of the kind of personality of Ferdinand Marcos. A hard fact that someone with enough degree of rationale, logic & objectivity can easily analyze.

Problem with most Marcos loyalists is that they would easily believe everything that they watch/read in the social media which are mostly twisted & fabricated, yet they would conveniently ignore hard & uncontroverted facts.

You need to take into consideration the failures of successive administrations in solving our problems. Not their fault really as the damage done by the Marcos regime was too huge to be solved in one six-year presidential term.

Why are people jumping on the Marcos bandwagon again? It's because the past administrations have failed to deliver and proven to be just as corrupt.

So they resort to a comforting lie about the Philippines being second to Japan back in the 70s and use that as a crutch to support BBM.
 
You need to take into consideration the failures of successive administrations in solving our problems. Not their fault really as the damage done by the Marcos regime was too huge to be solved in one six-year presidential term.

Why are people jumping on the Marcos bandwagon again? It's because the past administrations have failed to deliver and proven to be just as corrupt.

So they resort to a comforting lie about the Philippines being second to Japan back in the 70s and use that as a crutch to support BBM.

I think some of these pro-Marcos people would point to the fact that the Aquinos/Cojuangcos were/are also wicked (they're no saints as well) to justify Ferdinand Marcos. They think that its a war between the good/righteous vs. evil. And their twisted mentality is that since the Aquinos/Cojuangcos are/were wicked, therefore the Marcoses must be the righteous ones. The reality is, its never been a war between the good & the evil, but a war between the evil vs. the lesser evil. People would say, "The Aquinos, the Cojuangcos & their allies also did anomalies & corruption during their reign".

But this definitely won't justify the evil things the Marcoses had done. It wasn't really a war between the Aquinos/Cojuangcos vs. the Marcoses, rather its a war between the Marcoses & the Filipino people. Exposing whatever wickedness, corruption or anomalies the Aquinos/Cojuangcos & the "Yellows" have done would never justify the evil deeds of the Marcoses & their cronies.

During his reign as Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein had some enemies within Iraq who wanted to outthrow him from power. But does it mean that all these enemies are good & noble men? Of course not. Some of them also have their ulterior motives in wanting to oust Saddam from power. But does it make Saddam a good & noble man that some of his enemies had wicked or evil motives?

As I've said, its really never been a battle between good & evil. More often, its a battle between evil & the lesser evil. That is why being objective, logical & rational are a must these days.
 
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I think some of these pro-Marcos people would point to the fact that the Aquinos/Cojuangcos were/are also wicked (they're no saints as well) to justify Ferdinand Marcos. They think that its a war between the good/righteous vs. evil. And their twisted mentality is that since the Aquinos/Cojuangcos are/were wicked, therefore the Marcoses must be the righteous ones. The reality is, its never been a war between the good & the evil, but a war between the evil vs. the lesser evil. People would say, "The Aquinos, the Cojuangcos & their allies also did anomalies & corruption during their reign".

But this definitely won't justify the evil things the Marcoses had done. It wasn't really a war between the Aquinos/Cojuangcos vs. the Marcoses, rather its a war between the Marcoses & the Filipino people. Exposing whatever wickedness, corruption or anomalies the Aquinos/Cojuangcos & the "Yellows" have done would never justify the evil deeds of the Marcoses & their cronies.

During his reign as Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein had some enemies within Iraq who wanted to outthrow him from power. But does it mean that all these enemies are good & noble men? Of course not. Some of them also have their ulterior motives in wanting to oust Saddam from power. But does it make Saddam a good & noble man that some of his enemies had wicked or evil motives?

As I've said, its really never been a battle between good & evil. More often, its a battle between evil & the lesser evil. That is why being objective, logical & rational are a must these days.

And here are the people (especially Imee) saying the Marcos regime wasn't perfect. Well, minus the massacres and the Holocaust thingy, the Nazis kinda have the Marcoses beat in the perfection scale, although I read that corruption also kept the Nazi state together. Before WWII, the economy actually didn't tank under their watch, they recovered from their debt from Versailles. Industries thrived.

Ferdinand Marcos, on the other hand, made our economy decline, thanks to their corruption (proven in THREE Supreme Court cases) and relentless borrowing of money.
 
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