Philippine Politics

[JAMSKIE2]

Here is my stand regarding Philippine politics:

I find it ridiculous hearing some people saying "May nagawa namang kabutihan si Ferdinand Marcos ah". And then these people would arrive in a conclusion that Marcos isn't bad after all or worse these people would conclude that Marcos was misjudged by history & that he is a noble person.

As I have said, Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot also did some good deeds. Even Satan know how to do good deeds.

Yes, Marcos have made a lot of infrastructures, institutions & government programs but that doesn't justify all the wicked & evil deeds that he made during his reign as Phi President. Yung mga nagawa ni Marcos sa sambayanan ay subrang kalunoslunos that for him to be recognized as a noble person or even a hero would be extremely foolish & ridiculous.

The same also applies to the Aquinos.

Some people would say that Aquinos aren't clean either or that wala naman silang nagawa sa bansa. But the Aquinos didn't commit murder, human rights abuses, graft & corruption, & other abuses which the Marcoses did. To say that Ferdinand Marcos is better than the Aquinos is such an extremely stupid & ridiculous conclusion.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

Here is my stand regarding Philippine politics:

I find it ridiculous hearing some people saying "May nagawa namang kabutihan si Ferdinand Marcos ah". And then these people would arrive in a conclusion that Marcos isn't bad after all or worse these people would conclude that Marcos was misjudged by history & that he is a noble person.

As I have said, Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot also did some good deeds. Even Satan know how to do good deeds.

Yes, Marcos have made a lot of infrastructures, institutions & government programs but that doesn't justify all the wicked & evil deeds that he made during his reign as Phi President. Yung mga nagawa ni Marcos sa sambayanan ay subrang kalunoslunos that for him to be recognized as a noble person or even a hero would be extremely foolish & ridiculous.

The same also applies to the Aquinos.

Some people would say that Aquinos aren't clean either or that wala naman silang nagawa sa bansa. But the Aquinos didn't commit murder, human rights abuses, graft & corruption, & other abuses which the Marcoses did. To say that Ferdinand Marcos is better than the Aquinos is such an extremely stupid & ridiculous conclusion.

All those infrastructures built during the Marcos era were due to loans which we have yet to pay until now.

The Aquinos are just... another oligarch who did less damage but were just susceptible to avarice and corruption.

We need to move on from this false dichotomy of Marcoses and Aquinos. Seriously, both families had their chance to put this country on the right path and both of them fucked it up one way or another.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Well Marcos have all these infrastructures, institutions, GOCCs (most of which Cory et al already sold) to show where he spent taxpayers money. I don't about your Noynoy and his mother. Common sense dictates that Marcos did good and the Aquinos sucked yet some people choose to stick to that yellow narrative Marcos evil aquino heroes

Don't be deceived by those infrastructures, institutions, GOCCs & other government programs during Marcos' term. It came at a time when the Philippine economy was booming. But try to ask yourself, what happened to our economy during the 70's & the 80's which is the time that Marcos overstayed in power? Wasn't our economy struggling during those times? To whom would you blame it?

Yes, I agree with the opinions of some people that the Aquinos aren't/weren't clean, but to say that the Marcos is better than the Aquinos? Excuse me.

I say the Aquinos aren't that noble, but Marcos wasn't noble either. Marcos was evil, MANDARAMBONG.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

All those infrastructures built during the Marcos era were due to loans which we have yet to pay until now.

The Aquinos are just... another oligarch who did less damage but were just susceptible to avarice and corruption.

We need to move on from this false dichotomy of Marcoses and Aquinos. Seriously, both families had their chance to put this country on the right path and both of them fucked it up one way or another.

Agree.

As I've said, I don't think the Aquinos are/were clean. They also have their share of dirty linens. But between the Aquinos & the Marcoses, the Aquinos are/were obviously the lesser evil.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Oh by the way, it was during the administration of President Marcos that the golden age of Phi basketball happened with the NCC-Philippine team coached by the late Ron Jacobs reigning as Asian basketball top gun. Such a program was the brainchild of Danding Cojuangco who of course is a Macos crony.

See, may nagawa naman talagang kabutihan si Marcos sa bansa. But does that qualify him as a hero?

Excuse me, I would rather proclaim Rene Requiestas as a hero.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Those are intangibles that can't be denied that's what some were even sold or name changed by the yellows. I won't be deceived at all as I've done enough study about this. 487 billion was the total national budget for 20 years compared to Cory's over 1 trillion for just 6 years yet Cory had nothing but that flyover in Ortigas. Did it ever occur to you where Cory spent the money? Don't tell me that BS alibi that couldn't build anything and offer public service as she was paying off Marcos debt because our national debt even ballooned during her term. And also not that inflation BS because Cory's term began where Marcos term ended -1986. How much inflation between successive terms explain non performance for an administration that spent over a trillion in 6 years vs innumerable accomplishments for 20 years of a 487 billion total budget?

Just to explain to those who don't understand, don't mistaken loans to be direct source for stealing money, those are used to augment budget deficits specially if you have projects needing of funding. Your leaders get their cuts from ghost projects, overpricing or substandard infrastructures. If Marcos stole, there either would be less projects or substandard infrastructures.

Now, as to Nonoy, there were some projects unlike his mother but most were private-public partnerships. Meaning, private entities funded those projects (something where they'll get profits by collecting fees from the public). Now tell me where that idiot spent those trillions?

How then could you explain those "nakapanglulolang" yaman ng mga Marcoses in which the Courts have declared to be ill-gotten? Please try to analyze the difference of Ferdinand marcos & wife Imelda's conjugal wealth before Ferdinand Marcos became president as against the couple's wealth after Marcos was overthrown from power. How would you explain the colossal growth of the Marcoses wealth from the time ferdinand Marcos was not yet president to the time when he was overthrown.

Regarding the Aquinos, lumobo ba ng bigla ang yaman nila from the time Cory became president? The thing is, no graft & corruption charges were filed against Cory & Noynoy Aquino.

 

[zairex2]

How can the economy better in Marcos when the P 3.00 from 1964 became 20.00 pesos vs dollar in 1980. That's 6 fold. If it happen today our peso will be more than 100 in 20 years after Marcos.

We couldn't even pay our debt and had debt crisis.

 

[Brown Bones2]

Question: Why the soft stance of PDUTD towards China re: WPS?

I can only speculate and I will never know as an ordinary citizen.

Just a speculation: Ang laki ba ng bayad kay PDUTS?

 

[xenoloxy2]

Marcos started the ruin of our economy

PNOY was incompetent as fuck but at least he wasn't China's bitch.

Duterte is an asshole who doesn't seem to give a shit about our territory

 

[Brown Bones2]

Well said.

Marcos started the ruin of our economy

PNOY was incompetent as fuck but at least he wasn't China's bitch.

Duterte is an asshole who doesn't seem to give a shit about our territory

 

[Brown Bones2]

We lost it due to military capability.

Kaya nga nag Tribunal ruling diba which PDUTS ignore.

Baka gerahin tayo ng China sabi ni PDUTS. So lame or laki bayad sa kanya and we will never know.

Duterte maybe a vocal China bitch but noynoy was actually worse. We lost Scarborough during his term. And what's unthinkable happened, the Chinese built artificial islands from soil they dig from zambales. Of course your mainstream media never told you but if you know anyone from zambales, ask them about that.

 

[zairex2]

During the time Ferdinand Marcos came the Nixon shock with the unilateral cancellation of the direct international convertibility of the US dollar to gold in 1971. Consequently, most currencies that were pegged to the US dollar like the peso and the yen found their anchors broken. The floating rate system was born.

That's quoted from inquirer, a known anti Marcos publication.

We had good stock of gold bars during Marcos which kept our peso stable despite the decontrol policy that macapagal instituted in 1962 but there were internal and external factors that ruined us. Gold standard was replaced by an unfriendly animal which is called, if I'm not mistaken, the Fiat system.

Well that's just one. If what Marcos faced during his term happened during noynoy, we should be a banana republic.

Any links on your info

 

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[GoPilipinas2]

Marcos and aquino's are both evil walang mas less PANTAY NA PANTAY yan.

I support duterte administration, for the past 3 years he accomplished A LOT of things already if you don't see that then bulag ka na or blinded o uto-uto ka na sa paninira ng mainstream media na bayaran ng mga oligarchs.

But ofcourse it doesn't mean i agree everything duterte does, i'm also not happy with west philippine issue and his recent statement with gilas but is that enough for me to support opposition? those people who let china steal the scarborough shoal? and let china dig the soil of zambales to build an island to that shoal?

Let's take a look since duterte became president walang ni isang isla na nawala sa pinas.

people called duterte china bitch,dog, puppet etc but failed to realized we now have more friends now unlike before na puppet lang tayo ng US.

and why we singled out china? vietnam holds most of the island in west philippine sea...

again i'm also not happy with the handling of WEST PH sea but this administration promise that he will open and talk the arbitration ruling to china i'll wait for that, i let the president play geopolitics and wait than listen this so called makabayan kuno na opposisyon na wala naman mga nagawa.

 

[GoPilipinas2]

HAHAHAHAHA kamustahin mo Kaya ang lagay Ng mga magsasaka ngayon particularly the farmers. Duterte, I admit is better than Noynoy. In other words, better than nothing LOL

Then anong nakakatawa dun? it's been a long problem of our country from narural disaster and corruption etc. atleast he admits di tulad ng iba na isisi sa iba right? and i'm sure this administration doing something to solve this pray tayo for our farmers kesa tumawa... nga pala balita nga pala sa hacienda luisita?....

 

[GoPilipinas2]

Saka di kba nakakahalata? Dati mapang api ang tsekwa pag empleyado ka nya pero pag sa labas tupi mga Yan. Ngayon kahit sa kalye siga-sga. Alam mo you know why the soft spot for Chinese? Duterte actually traces his roots to xiamen China. Lolo nya Lam. At hndi lng basta may dugong tsekwa, just like Cory, may occasional visits Yan sa probinsya nya sa China to pay respect to his ancestors. That's how attached both duterte and the cojuancos are to their Chinese lineage.

Ano ba mag-uusap ba tayo ng may sense o maghaka haka lang? well chinese tourist are rude naman talaga kahit pumunta ka ng thailand, france other country kilala talaga mga chinese tourist na rude. i don't think direct mo pwede isisi kay duterte yan diyan talaga sila kilala pero di mo pwede ilahat marami din naman matino at mabait. and nice move by mayor isko ng sinaway niya yung chinese tourist na nagyosi sa public dapat ganyan lahat ng official natin enforce the law! welcome lahat tourist kahit sino its good for our economy.

 

[xenoloxy2]

Du30 continues to ignore our constitution

 

[IshmaelM2]

Marcos gained power by a staged NPA attack on Enrile and co. He was corrupt. He allowed himself and his cronies to gain much wealth without showing anything for it. He had ambitious plans but due to a combination of corruption and mismanagement failed. Almost all of the GOCCs he started were losing money even during his time. Eventually they had to be shutdown or sold off. I could forgive the corruption if he had something to show for it but he didnt. He left our country worse off. But the worst was his human rights record. I know many people who were picked up and jailed just because they went to a party that was also attended by a political suspect. A lady who was jailed was sexually abused. Back then you had to find your loved ones within 10 days or they will disappear forever. The guy was power hungry. He did not blink on imprisoning, torturing or killing his critics or those associated with them. You couldnt even criticize his family without fearing for your life. You were lucky if you didnt mind the propaganda and the government agents but if you protested chances are youll get jailed or worst.

Duterte for me is very wrong on two parts. One is on killing criminals. Look how Isko makes a show of presenting suspects alive and not dead. Better be shown on camera alive than a cadaver. Second, is his kowtowing to China. I agree you have to be practical but at the same time he should think if it is worth it. Giving up our territory is a no no. I'm with Carpio on this. Authentic historical records show that China has no right to their 9 meter red line. They just have the big guns and boats. We can politically protest their intrusions while supporting economic imvestments from them if they are still willing. Lastly, he should restrict the visas of these guys. Chinese workers are engulfing Manila and keeping condominium rates high with the government only getting barya in tax payments. Only SM, DD and the Chinese POGO owners are getting rich. Filipino employees are paying taxes while the Chinese workers are tax free. Not all investments are good. If they dont give anything back to the Filipino people except higher property rates they should be restricted.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

How did you know na hindi lumobo? Hawak mo ba ang accounting Ng assets nila? You aren't even aware that was Marcos was even financially helping out ninoy while he was getting treatment in Chicago? Are you even aware that they were supposedly already bankrupt because the loan agreement they entered with magsaysay (the one which the cojuancos used to purchase more land) had that stipulation that the land will be distributed to the farmers after 50 years? You didn't know that, do you? And you call then less wvil?

But there wasn't no issue about the Aquinos having their wealth growing in a colossal scale. None at all. The growth of Marcos' wealth on the other hand was too big & colossal not to be noticed. It was too obvious. With regards to Marcos giving financial assistance to Ninoy's heart bypass in the US, don't you realize that it was marcos' ploy to have Ninoy live there in the US becoz for as long as Ninoy is in the Philippines he would be leading the dissent against Marcos? It favored Marcos that Ninoy was out of the country. You made Marcos' financial assistance on Ninoy's medication a big issue. As I've said, even the devil knows how to do good deeds, but it is with an ulterior motive. Besides, wasn't marcos who detained Ninoy & other political prisoners for false accusations of rebellion?

As I've said, I honestly believe that the Aquinos aren't clean at all. They also have their dark side. But the Aquinos are definitely less evil than Ferdinand & Imelda Marcos.

Bro, I have met & heard the words of people who are Marcos loyalists & you obviously sounded like one.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I'll be busy for a while but I'm anticipating some of the answers and questions to be thrown.

First, if you read those verdicts (a lot of which were later on reversed, some still on appeal), the conviction were based on "Marcos couldn't have earned that large fortune" , some would even cite his income taxes.

Im not sure if this is the right term but there was this they call "transcription" period for claimants for the WW2 loots. It was set at 50 years. After that period, whoever possesses it owns it by default. That's why Marcos couldn't just declare those possessions.

Marcos was actually wanting to give this back to tje people and had negotiations with cory's emissaries but the kamag anak incorporated wanted it for themselves. That's how greedy that family is. Cory even refused to operate the nuclear power plant despite the Filipinos suffering and the economy suffering from those Nationwide blackouts.

Kung may darkest years man, hnd Yan nung martial law kundi panahon ng reyna Ng brownout.

So do you believe that Marcos never stole public money becoz for the record, he was not convicted of any graft charges? This despite of marcos massive unexplained wealth which he amassed during his presidency. We are aware how crooked our justice system is. We are all aware how powerful & influencial the Marcoses are even after ferdinand marcos' exile. Marcoses has even gotten stronger now with Bobong almost winning the vice-presidential race & Imee elected as senator. We all know how easy our judges & justices can be bribed, specially by somebody like the Marcoses who have bottomless pockets.

Bro, wake up. You're being blinded by your biases. Your rationale & discernment are obviously impaired by your biases.