Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[thatweirdguy2]

That's why im cheering for the guest team (The Dragons) though, I doubt Long Hair and Vargas would allow them to win the championship, ref magic incoming.

I don't think it will be a good look for the 5th best league in the world if the guest team who haven't even played that long together went deep in the post season especially if they defeat the premier teams in the league. I originally thought they'll use this opportunity to remind everyone how strong PBA teams are. They're probably just setting up the Dragons as real threats so people can see the weight of their impending loses later.

 

[IPC2]

Adams felt misused at Columbian, according to this column by Homer Sayson: https://www.spin.ph/basketball/japa...eeling-misused-unhappy-at-dyip-a2244-20220922

Here, Adams said that he was played out of position, and he felt that his game was not growing. Yeah, it has some truth, he was played as a stretch 4 a lot, especially in his first year, just because he's 6'5". Instead of a small-ball four where he can play like a wing, parang stretch four lang.

That's what I fear for Navarro, he might be played as a 4 because he's 6'6". Hope Pido can keep to his ways of playing tall small ball, with guys like Ferrer, Art, and Arwind as his forwards.

I hope that if any 6'5"+ wings play in the PBA in the future, they'll be played as wings for most of their minutes. If as a four, then at least a small-ball four.

 

[IPC2]

I looked up which PBA offenses since 2019 had an offensive rating of 110 and above, and here's what I found:

2019 Governors’ Cup: Ginebra (112.7), TNT (111.6) MERALCO (110.5)
2020 All-Filipino Cup: NLEX (110.2)
2022 Governors’ Cup: Magnolia (114.5), Ginebra (112.3)
2022 All-Filipino Cup: SMB (111.3)

In three completed import conferences since 2019, we’ve had five 110+ offenses, and only one (2019 Commissioner's Cup) did not have a single 110+ offense. In four All-Filipino tournaments in that same span, we’ve had two.

Small sample size, but maybe the imports help the offenses in a big way?

 

[IPC2]

I looked up which PBA offenses since 2019 had an offensive rating of 110 and above, and here's what I found:

2019 Governors’ Cup: Ginebra (112.7), TNT (111.6) MERALCO (110.5)
2020 All-Filipino Cup: NLEX (110.2)
2022 Governors’ Cup: Magnolia (114.5), Ginebra (112.3)
2022 All-Filipino Cup: SMB (111.3)

In three completed import conferences since 2019, we’ve had five 110+ offenses, and only one (2019 Commissioner's Cup) did not have a single 110+ offense. In four All-Filipino tournaments in that same span, we’ve had two.

Small sample size, but maybe the imports help the offenses in a big way?

I compared the PBA offenses to KBL and B.League offenses, and here's what I found in that same span:

KBL:

2019-20: Seoul SK (112.3), Suwon KT (110.4)
2020-21: KCC (114.0), Anyang (113.3), Suwon KT (112.3), KOGAS (111.8), Ulsan (111.3), Goyang (111.1)
2021-22: Suwon KT (115.6), Seoul SK (115.6), KOGAS (113.8), Anyang (113.6), KCC (113.3), Ulsan (110.6), Goyang (110.3)

B.League:

2019-20: Aishin (115.1), Hitachi (114.2), Alvark (114.2), Brex (114.0), Chiba (114.0), Kawasaki (113.7), Ryukyu (113.4)
2020-21: Chiba (120.1), Aishin (119.2), Toyama (118.4), Alvark (118.2), Brex (116.4), Kawasaki (115.1), Ryukyu (115.0), Hitachi (113.3), Nagoya (112.9), Osaka (112.0), Kyoto (110.6)
2021-22: Chiba (120.4), Shimane (119.5), Kawasaki (118.2), Nagoya (116.9), Ryukyu (115.7), Brex (115.0), Alvark (114.7), Aishin (112.5), Toyama (111.2), Hiroshima (111.0)

Looks like there's kind of a difference in offensive output between the leagues. Begs the question, are the PBA's offensive ratings low because the defense is good, or because the offense is bad? Conversely, are the B.League's and KBL's offensive ratings high because the offense is good, or because the defenses are bad? Another thing is, do the imports play a big part in the better offenses?

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Adams felt misused at Columbian, according to this column by Homer Sayson: https://www.spin.ph/basketball/japa...eeling-misused-unhappy-at-dyip-a2244-20220922

Here, Adams said that he was played out of position, and he felt that his game was not growing. Yeah, it has some truth, he was played as a stretch 4 a lot, especially in his first year, just because he's 6'5". Instead of a small-ball four where he can play like a wing, parang stretch four lang.

That's what I fear for Navarro, he might be played as a 4 because he's 6'6". Hope Pido can keep to his ways of playing tall small ball, with guys like Ferrer, Art, and Arwind as his forwards.

I hope that if any 6'5"+ wings play in the PBA in the future, they'll be played as wings for most of their minutes. If as a four, then at least a small-ball four.

Remember the now immortalized words of Cardel? That Adams needs to bulk up and adjust to the physicality? They want him to bang more.

 

[IPC2]

Ryan Alba says that the PBA should have a longer elimination round/regular season: https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1573869937570914304?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

He says that the lack of regular season games hurts player development.

 

[IPC2]

Ryan Alba says that the PBA should have a longer elimination round/regular season: https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1573869937570914304?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

He says that the lack of regular season games hurts player development.

One commenter did say that the 3-conference format is because there's more playoff games, thus increasing viewership: https://twitter.com/bekshootph/status/1573873680782077954?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

A reply to this is that the viewership will be maintained if the playoff series are longer: https://twitter.com/iamJoweyn/status/1573875384625823744?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

 

[PaulLee32]

 

[CoJ2]

yey...Hope they get quality ones, not that Novi Sad or Cebuana RP team again

 

[zairex2]

One commenter did say that the 3-conference format is because there's more playoff games, thus increasing viewership: https://twitter.com/bekshootph/status/1573873680782077954?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

A reply to this is that the viewership will be maintained if the playoff series are longer: https://twitter.com/iamJoweyn/status/1573875384625823744?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

If you crunch the number it will just lessen the profit of PBA and will make owning a team expensive. Similarly the jobs created on the side will b lessen

 

[IPC2]

If you crunch the number it will just lessen the profit of PBA and will make owning a team expensive. Similarly the jobs created on the side will b lessen

I would have wanted a league-cup system, e, so as to still have two playoff tournaments, since playoffs sells games. League's pretty straightforward. Double or triple round robin (although we might get three games between the farm teams), then playoffs.

Get the top 8 teams by midseason, then have them participate in a midseason tournament, which will serve as the cup. Round robin group stage, then best-of-3 playoffs all the way to the finals.

Third tournament, EASL sana, but the extra money will go only to the teams that actually play there. Right now, it's just two teams for the PBA.

To compensate for the third tournament, maybe an offseason tournament might do. Maybe move the All-Filipino there, and just limit it to four or six teams?

This might require some other changes too apart from the format, like allowing a transfer system where you can straight up sell players to cover costs. Marketing strategies din sana for the teams to get a fanbase, which also requires them to get good in order to he recognized.

 

[IPC2]

I keep saying this, but TNT's not a good destination for developing players. Should have been a 3-and-D tweener forward, e, in addition to his rebounding amd cutting.

To be fair, we didn't exactly have an idea of the concept of tall (6'6"-6'8") tweeners in 2015-17.

yep, as MPIC's flagship, any player they get is expected to contribute right away and compete for the title similar to SMB, atleast BGSM were able to develop Skati, Caperal, Mariano, Tolentino.

I hope Oftana will not be relegated as a stretch 4

Yeah, at least Arvin was developed to be a wing with Ginebra, and Scottie got PG duties. Mags can also develop guys like Sangalang, Jalalon, Dionisio, Rome. Add MERALCO with Black and Quinto.

 

[ja.he2]

If you crunch the number it will just lessen the profit of PBA and will make owning a team expensive. Similarly the jobs created on the side will b lessen

Well, B.League has a pre-season Tohoku Cup and in-season Emperor's Cup. NBL has a pre-season NBL Blitz and an in-season NBL Cup. I think that they can relegate All-Filipino Cup in the Pre-Season and re-purpose Governor's Cup as an invitational. Make the Commissioner's Cup as the season proper. I believe this is doable.

 

[PaulLee32]

 

[unstopaball122]

Ryan Alba says that the PBA should have a longer elimination round/regular season: https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1573869937570914304?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

He says that the lack of regular season games hurts player development.

Agree to this. 2 conference with double round robin, play dates of 5 days a week(Sunday, Tuesday,Wednesday,Friday, sat and Sunday)- play the weekday games in provinces or small arenas in metro Manila and marquee games on weekends in araneta and moa. I also like Bay Area quality teams in the 2nd conference

This gives more games total and per week.

 

[Sikatrix2]

One commenter did say that the 3-conference format is because there's more playoff games, thus increasing viewership: https://twitter.com/bekshootph/status/1573873680782077954?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

A reply to this is that the viewership will be maintained if the playoff series are longer: https://twitter.com/iamJoweyn/status/1573875384625823744?s=20&t=csFpzAZLlNJjw9V57o6YGQ

The test is coming. Due to the World Cup. PBA will go to two conferences, if ratings are mid, especially for regular season games, expect a return for the three conferences.

On the PBA having too little games, if thats true, aint the UAAP much worse? 33 games minimum vs 14? Both have preseason games too but the UAAP has more.

 

[ja.he2]

The test is coming. Due to the World Cup. PBA will go to two conferences, if ratings are mid, especially for regular season games, expect a return for the three conferences.

On the PBA having too little games, if thats true, aint the UAAP much worse? 33 games minimum vs 14? Both have preseason games too but the UAAP has more.

Well, UAAP only has 8 teams and following a double round robin format. Therefore, it is natural for them to have fewer games.

Well, I think that they can relegate All-Filipino Cup in the Pre-Season and re-purpose Governor's Cup as the Post-Season's (not playoffs) invitational. Make the Commissioner's Cup as the season proper.

AFC - Pre-Season tournament
Commissioner's - Season proper
Governor's - Post-Season tournament (not the playoffs)

It also possible for AFC believe teams will be divided into two groups (6 each). Top 4 teams from each group will advance to QF. QF will be a cross-over. SF will be a best-of-3 while the finals will be a best of 5. that's 14 games max for a team.

In the tournament proper, teams are allowed to enlist max of 2 foreign players without height cap with only one can play at a time. It will follow the double round robin format with each teams having 22 games. Playoff format will be 5-7-7. The champions in this tournament will be the league's sole season champions. That's 41 games max.

For the invitationals, top 6 teams from the tournament proper will make in this tournament plus 2 guest teams. each teams are allowed to have one foreign player with a height cap except guest teams. we can just follow the Jones Cup format - single round robin, knock-out QF, best-of-3 SF, best-of-5 finals. that's 16 games max.

All-in-all, there will be 71 games max for the whole year.

 

[IPC2]

The test is coming. Due to the World Cup. PBA will go to two conferences, if ratings are mid, especially for regular season games, expect a return for the three conferences.

On the PBA having too little games, if thats true, aint the UAAP much worse? 33 games minimum vs 14? Both have preseason games too but the UAAP has more.

I think it's more the 11-game single round robin format leading up to the playoffs than the total number of games. Maybe that format just incentivizes coaches going more to their trusted players, and trusting younger players less. Less experiments, although Tim Cone has experimented with players even with the short elims format.

And yes, maybe the longer preseasons helped.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Im comparing the number of games in the UAAP to the PBA since Alba's argument is there are too little games for development. Is that even the issue? Or does he mean team cohesion?

Also, obviously, Im of the belief that college ball is more important for development than the PBA since most pinoy prospects really overstay in college.

 

[leoisiah2]

Less regular season games would mean less room for errors. And with less room for errors, it would be difficult to experiment with new players.
And with the quotient system, every point counts, so that doesn't help the rookies' cause.