Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[zairex2]

Whatever policy sports league makes, if there are rich teams and poor teams there will always be unbalanced. Players will choose a team that gives them maximum benefits (either by cash, kind, or opportunities) of their worth. Few teams in PBA are as rich as SMB and MVP. This will happen whatever fair policy they will implement.

Just open everything up like Euro leagues, B.League, so no more lying, no more pretending.

If you try to balance a league, your clipping free will, and choice of teams and players. If you give free will and choice, you will not see balance. It's just what it is.

 

[ja.he2]

Whatever policy sports league makes, if there are rich teams and poor teams there will always be unbalanced. Players will choose a team that gives them maximum benefits (either by cash, kind, or opportunities) of their worth. Few teams in PBA are as rich as SMB and MVP. This will happen whatever fair policy they will implement.

Just open everything up like Euro leagues, B.League, so no more lying, no more pretending.

If you try to balance a league, your clipping free will, and choice of teams and players. If you give free will and choice, you will not see balance. It's just what it is.

This is where I agree with you and that's the reason why I favor this free agency more over than rookie drafts and trades. Big teams and their farm teams can no longer pretend about something that is not true. There are two problems however that I want to be resolved by the PBA - 1) salary cap and 2) tampering.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

This is where I agree with you and that's the reason why I favor this free agency more over than rookie drafts and trades. Big teams and their farm teams can no longer pretend about something that is not true. There are two problems however that I want to be resolved by the PBA - 1) salary cap and 2) tampering.

There has to be a salary cap and restrictions. Otherwise the rich teams will just keep on stacking the good free agents even if they don't need them to cripple the poor teams. And that would just make the draft useless in the long run since teams can sign them up without any consequences if they can wait. It would make break the already imbalanced league

 

[ja.he2]

There has to be a salary cap and restrictions. Otherwise the rich teams will just keep on stacking the good free agents even if they don't need them to cripple the poor teams. And that would just make the draft useless in the long run since teams can sign them up without any consequences if they can wait. It would make break the already imbalanced league

the problem here is that the league let one conglomerate to grow and lord over the matters of the league. now, there are two of them - much harder to implement transparency. free agency could have been easier to implement if each companies own only one team in the league. this is not the case in the PBA, wherein SMC owns 3 teams plus 2 farm teams and MVP owns 3 teams plus 1 farm team.

 

[CoJ2]

Though i see the merit of the PBA's unrestricted free agency which could somehow diminish the old farm team system and hopefully lead to transparency. I just hope that the PBA won't end up like the UAAP or NCAA, no salary caps, just the rich schools/rich boosters spending too much to form a great roster (well the empires are financing certain schools anyway)

 

[thatweirdguy2]

the problem here is that the league let one conglomerate to grow and lord over the matters of the league. now, there are two of them - much harder to implement transparency. free agency could have been easier to implement if each companies own only one team in the league. this is not the case in the PBA, wherein SMC owns 3 teams plus 2 farm teams and MVP owns 3 teams plus 1 farm team.

I think transparency is out of the question. No way these empires would give up their advantages. It's up to the PBA to put up some kind of restriction otherwise the independent teams will probably fold or sell their teams. Why would they remain in a league they had no shot of winning.

IMO one empire has 2 superteams and a great balanced one while the other has 1 balanced team and 2 sucky teams. Heck NP has better talents than NLEX and Meralco..

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Mods should really ban this naga spammer

 

[zairex2]

Even teams follow salary cap, the bonuses from winning is unrestricted. Owners will just put money on players hands one way or other. Look when, TNT won the championship few years back they were given cars but named under company. Alaska when they won championship the bonus was HK disneyland. If you are a player, which company would you rather play ang win championship for.

 

[IPC2]

Thought of this more than a year ago. What if the PBA just implemented a transfer system, like what's being done in the rest of the world? That way, teams can ask for a load of money if they need to move one of their star players. Although there are cases of player swaps, money is the primary consideration. Plus, buyout clauses could be incorporated in the contracts. Independent teams might benefit. Sellers will benefit from the money, as they can use it to pay players and build their training and development infrastructure.

For example, if TNT want to get Matthew Wright from Phoenix, they can just buy him for P10M or something. Or RoS might ask P6M-8M for Javee Mocon.

 

[unstopaball122]

I like this idea. If everything would just be transparent, this policy can be executed properly and could serve as a means to deter talent-hoarding clubs from doing their thing that's clearly detrimental to the league's parity. Also, said tax must be shared equally among the non-violators of the luxury tax rule.

Lol so what they can do to loophole this is offer for example Terrence Romeo a salary of 150k vs 350k, but give him other perks such as car allowance, housing allowance, a franchise of a store etc. This won’t be apples to apples vs the offer of let’s say Alaska. With transparency never that high in the Philippines, teams simply won’t declare these perks

 

[ja.he2]

Thought of this more than a year ago. What if the PBA just implemented a transfer system, like what's being done in the rest of the world? That way, teams can ask for a load of money if they need to move one of their star players. Although there are cases of player swaps, money is the primary consideration. Plus, buyout clauses could be incorporated in the contracts. Independent teams might benefit. Sellers will benefit from the money, as they can use it to pay players and build their training and development infrastructure.

For example, if TNT want to get Matthew Wright from Phoenix, they can just buy him for P10M or something. Or RoS might ask P6M-8M for Javee Mocon.

just how football leagues in Europe are doing it. during this transfer window, all teams from different leagues can inquire for the player.

applying this in basketball, for instance, a player like Terrence Romeo, during this window, can receive offers from teams like Alvark Tokyo, Chiba Jets or Ryukyu Golden Kings from BLG, Tainan Ghosthawks or Taiwan Beer Hero Bears in T1 League or Ginebra, Magnolia or MERALCO in the PBA. the team with the highest offer wins and shall pay San Miguel for Terrence Romeo's transfer. This is just an example.

 

[IPC2]

just how football leagues in Europe are doing it. during this transfer window, all teams from different leagues can inquire for the player.

applying this in basketball, for instance, a player like Terrence Romeo, during this window, can receive offers from teams like Alvark Tokyo, Chiba Jets or Ryukyu Golden Kings from BLG, Tainan Ghosthawks or Taiwan Beer Hero Bears in T1 League or Ginebra, Magnolia or MERALCO in the PBA. the team with the highest offer wins and shall pay San Miguel for Terrence Romeo's transfer. This is just an example.

I forgot, there's transfer windows. There's the summer window and the winter window in football. Maybe we could adopt a similar system.

And the sellers also win. They get money. Instead of lopsided trades, make it a straight-up sale. Problema nga lang ang farm teams.

 

[IPC2]

I couldn't agree with you more brother.

These crooked PBA people are obviously thinking of "makabawi" sila for the loses they incurred during the 2 years of this pandemic period that's why they are planning for a 3-conference season next year. Well, good luck to that with this dreaded COVID-Omicron variant coming to the country. PBA badly needs luck to come-up with their traditionally sucking 3-conference format.

With this pandemic, I think it's really time for changes in the calendar. And this delay in play will make them consider the changes. Not just the calendar, but the format as well, especially considering that we're to send teams to the EASL.

I think a loong offseason is in order for the PBA to discuss any changes. I hope those changes are for the better.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

With this pandemic, I think it's really time for changes in the calendar. And this delay in play will make them consider the changes. Not just the calendar, but the format as well, especially considering that we're to send teams to the EASL.

I think a loong offseason is in order for the PBA to discuss any changes. I hope those changes are for the better.

Like at least 4 months off season is what the PBA needs to cope up with the pandemic & genuinely (not just pure lip-service) honor its commitment to the National team.

Semi-bubble set-up won't cut it as we've already seen. Hence, a genuine or legit bubble set-up is necessary. But a legit bubble set-up is very very expensive. The longer the duration of the bubble set-up, the more it would hurt the PBA financially. Hence, a shorter bubble period would be necessary. Its the practical solution.

Ang hirap kasi sa mga swapang na PBA people na ito, gusto pang ipilit ang pre-pandemic PBA calendar which is 10-month looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong 3-conference season. That's why they did a semi-bubble set-up para maka tipid. Tipid nyo pwet nyo!! Semi-bubble set-up won't work. If these stupid & crooked PBA people think that they can still hold a 10-month 3-conference in this pandemic period, then good luck to these assholes. Mga bobo!

A much shorter PBA season in a strict bubble set-up is a must. There's no way to get around with this. These crooked PBA people has to bite the bullet.

 

[IPC2]

Like at least 4 months off season is what the PBA needs to cope up with the pandemic & genuinely (not just pure lip-service) honor its commitment to the National team.

Semi-bubble set-up won't cut it as we've already seen. Hence, a genuine or legit bubble set-up is necessary. But a legit bubble set-up is very very expensive. The longer the duration of the bubble set-up, the more it would hurt the PBA financially. Hence, a shorter bubble period would be necessary. Its the practical solution.

Ang hirap kasi sa mga swapang na PBA people na ito, gusto pang ipilit ang pre-pandemic PBA calendar which is 10-month looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong 3-conference season. That's why they did a semi-bubble set-up para maka tipid. Tipid nyo pwet nyo!! Semi-bubble set-up won't work. If these stupid & crooked PBA people think that they can still hold a 10-month 3-conference in this pandemic period, then good luck to these assholes. Mga bobo!

A much shorter PBA season in a strict bubble set-up is a must. There's no way to get around with this. These crooked PBA people has to bite the bullet.

A couple changes for the bubble period:

1. Single season format, and with imports of unlimited height. If there are no imports for a specific team, that should be left to the team's decision.

2. Have a double round robin and then the playoffs.

2.a. In the double round robin eliminations, each team will play the each other team twice for a total of 22 games per team (and a total of 132 elimination games, which is easy to schedule over a 3-4 month period; however, there should be scheduling leeway for the EASL teams). The top eight teams make the playoffs.

2.b. In lieu of a double round eliminations, a shorter group stage could be employed. Two groups of six teams each, and each team faces the other five in its group twice for a total of 10 games per team (and a total of 60 games for the entire elimination round, less than one conference).

2.c. Playoffs is best-of-3 or best-of-5 for all rounds.

3. Have a COVID protocol for infected players, so the games can keep going. This is similar to the policies of the NBA and other international leagues. Let the affected players play after two negative tests, or a period of 5-10 days.

4. Employ a trade moratorium during the eliminations and the playoffs. The only time trades can be made is either before the eliminations, or at least two weeks before the playoffs, similar to the transfer windows in European football.

If there are any changes like the trade moratorium or the single season format, might as well do it during the experimental bubble period, and hope they stick.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Thought of this more than a year ago. What if the PBA just implemented a transfer system, like what's being done in the rest of the world? That way, teams can ask for a load of money if they need to move one of their star players. Although there are cases of player swaps, money is the primary consideration. Plus, buyout clauses could be incorporated in the contracts. Independent teams might benefit. Sellers will benefit from the money, as they can use it to pay players and build their training and development infrastructure.

For example, if TNT want to get Matthew Wright from Phoenix, they can just buy him for P10M or something. Or RoS might ask P6M-8M for Javee Mocon.

Oh. Basically a Buyout.

But what and how will salary cap works will also be a big factor in applying this.

I mean what is the use of money if they cannot go over the cap. (Unless it is under table.lol)

As for training and development infrastructure. I am not sure, but I think each team doesnt have their own "home court" and "facilities"(do they have?).

 

[IPC2]

Oh. Basically a Buyout.

But what and how will salary cap works will also be a big factor in applying this.

I mean what is the use of money if they cannot go over the cap. (Unless it is under table.lol)

As for training and development infrastructure. I am not sure, but I think each team doesnt have their own "home court" and "facilities"(do they have?).

There's no salary cap in European leagues, but there's this thing called "Financial Fair Play." Ballclubs can't spend more than what they earn. Unfortunately, this can favor big teams, because they earn more, thus they can spend more.

As for development infrastructure, it's not just for the players, coaches too.

 

[IPC2]

PBA would be better off adopting similar competition format/calendar used by top European football leagues.

1. Regular season + 3 rounds of playoffs (with imports) - from 2nd week of October to 4th week of April. Will run concurrently with the EASL season.
2. PBA/SBP/All-Local Invitational Cup (all-local) - from 2nd to 4th week of May.
3. PBA Super Cup (with imports) - will be contested by semifinalist or next-best finishers from the first 2 tournaments, from 2nd to 4th week of June. Finalists of this tournament will qualify to next season's EASL tournament.
4. Off-season months during last week of June to 3rd week of September. Annual draft and training/rookie camp will also be held within this period. Both events especially the training/rookie camp should be televised.
5. Televised pre-season games from late-September to early-October.
6. New season on 2nd week of October.

4 possible titles and an almost all-year round television exposure by PBA and its clubs. This is my dream for PBA.

After this pandemic, I hope the PBA can adopt this format. With the current PBA format of 2 games a day, 5 gamedays a week (Wednesday-Sunday), this will end the elimination round in 20 weeks (roughly mid-February) if a triple round robin is used. With the 3 rounds of playoffs, this might fit the schedule.

Hopefully the All-Filipino gets relegated to a preseason or end-of-season tournament.

This schedule format ensures 3 PBA tournaments, and retains almost the same amount of games. This, in addition to the EASL. Hope the dream comes true.

 

[IPC2]

After this pandemic, I hope the PBA can adopt this format. With the current PBA format of 2 games a day, 5 gamedays a week (Wednesday-Sunday), this will end the elimination round in 20 weeks (roughly mid-February) if a triple round robin is used. With the 3 rounds of playoffs, this might fit the schedule.

Hopefully the All-Filipino gets relegated to a preseason or end-of-season tournament.

This schedule format ensures 3 PBA tournaments, and retains almost the same amount of games. This, in addition to the EASL. Hope the dream comes true.

The longer format will force coaches to have to better manage players' minutes, especially those of imports and key local players. That way, there can be more chance of magic bunot and introduction of rookies and other young players, and there's less chance of being injury-riddled come playoff time.

 

[Rodbi2]

Lol so what they can do to loophole this is offer for example Terrence Romeo a salary of 150k vs 350k, but give him other perks such as car allowance, housing allowance, a franchise of a store etc. This won’t be apples to apples vs the offer of let’s say Alaska. With transparency never that high in the Philippines, teams simply won’t declare these perks

That's what sad and frustrating. Dapat wala na yang perks perks na yan, compensation should just be of plain monetary value lang. If I were PBA, ipagbabawal ko yang perks na yan (except won game, POTG, conference/season awards, or any other kinds of performance-related bonuses), I'll raise the salary cap na lang to PHP 100M/season or even more, and then let every team, especially the super teams, sign whoever they want to whatever annual value they can agree on, just as long as it's within the limit. I agree with most posters here, enough with the pretending that salary cap rule is strictly enforced.