Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[kaibooster212]

I dont think the word should be preference but more of fit. Take for instance Ginebra, with Slaughter and Japeth there, are you still going to get a bigman? Ofcourse you will always prefer a wing since they will fit more to the system than adding another big that will probably absorb the minutes of the twin tower. Same case with SMB, you cant get a guy that will probably take the touches of Junemar from the post. As for TNT, they were never known to be a post up/big man type of team so they will always prefer a versatile forward that can pass and shoot the ball instead of posting up. Also notice that aside from the 3 teams that I mention, most of the teams in the PBA prefer bigmen, even during a 6’5 limit conference they always look for an inside presence guy

 

[IPC2]

still wondering why the PBA/Philippine basketball doesn't embrace the 3 point shot whole heartedly given that we are not that tall and today's generation are exposed to Curry, Klay Thompson, Dame Lillard, James Harden, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Durant etc.

What do you mean? Teams take more 3pt shot today than a decade ago. All teams can put a line up that all players can shoot from 3pt. Like SMB, put Mo in place of JF, now you have all players able to take 3pt. 4out and 5 out offense is common.

The only thing that need to be address is higher efficiency.

Agreed on the efficiency point. That's partly because a lot of 3-pointers are contested off the dribble pull-ups, either off isolation or off the pick and roll.

If those attempts were converted to catch-and-shoot attempts, I think we'd see a higher efficiency rate. We need to devise plays for shooters, as in get them moving to get them open, whether off screens or not.

In addition, when open, shooters have to be told to shoot. General rule is that a shooter has to shoot a wide-open shot. On closeouts, only overzealous closeouts should be attacked. If the nearest defender is too far away, SHOOT.

 

[reamily2]

Get well soon Coach Jong

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/jong-uichico-undergoes-heart-procedure-in-stable-condition-a793-20211219?ref=home_featured_3

Exercise, yup only to fight the covid nowadays is keeping yourself in shape and healthy living but dont over exert your self..

 

[IPC2]

McDaniels, Paul Harris, Mike Harris, and Henry Walker have been deployed at the 5 as basically another wing at that position. It gives additional versatility while not sacrificing inside strength and rebounding. Additionally, they present a mismatch against bigs.

And Aside from JMF and Greg. There are no 6'10 above Post Threat anyway. ( Brownlee proved in the past that he can defend JMF in the post)

The imports at 6'5-6'6 basically are generally same size as most Pba Big Men.

Ik we hate, or dont love pba as much as in the past.

But I give credit when credit is due

Looks like this coaches took coach tab's " Filipino Coaches lacks advance understanding of the technical advancement of the game"(or something like that" into heart.

When I listened to Coaches in Hoop Coaches, looks like open naman na sila for modern principles.

As they say, basketball is always evolving

The problem is, our local bigs lose with this import height limit. This is a win for small-ball, but the small-ball center or small-ball 4 is usually the import. The local centers who can't play PF don't get as many opportunities to play either position, because the import and the local small-ball four are better than them. Unless the import's like Hester or Dior Lowhorn, we can't really develop our 6'6"-6'8" bigs to play PF.

Yeah

We gonna take positive with the negative.

Additionally, I don't really think any legit Center in Pba are talented enough to be a 4. JMF cant, Greg Cant, Chua cant, Belga Cant, Quinahan Cant.

Usually it is really the small ball 5 who can transition into 4. Like Hodge, Perkins, etc. And they are generally smaller.
Only exception would be maybe Japeth, the only 6'9 local big I can say that can play PF and C.

Yes This is a Wing/Combo Forward Import Conference.

No way you will play and experiment this 6'6-6'8 Inside Game Bigs in the 4 spot. They will have that when there will be a Unlimited Height Conference.

PERO to be frank. Even In Unlimited Height Conference, looks like Pba teams already realized that it is better to select a wing and forward than a center. (Just like Terrence Jones and Cmac)Because generally, 6'9'-6'10 wings/forwards are naturally more talented than 7'0 or above if we are talking about imports.

With this development, could we see our local fives possibly become like wings in the future? It's a really remote possibility, but it could happen. Right now, though, our tallest wings are 6'5", and those guys could only play the 4 at most. Only a foreign import has both the perimeter skillset of a wing and the strength of a PBA big to be able to be a small-ball 5.

 

[IPC2]

PBA needs an overhaul.. big time changes..

Agreed. The PBA needs to overhaul the competition format so that the schedule can accommodate both FIBA tournaments and the EASL.

In addition, the PBA has to find a way to increase revenue. Increase the fanbase. Market the other teams. For instance, they need to market champions, other than SMB and Ginebra. Make PBA games attractive.

In short, the PBA has to accommodate FIBA and the EASL while at the same time being sustainable.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Agreed. The PBA needs to overhaul the competition format so that the schedule can accommodate both FIBA tournaments and the EASL.

In addition, the PBA has to find a way to increase revenue. Increase the fanbase. Market the other teams. For instance, they need to market champions, other than SMB and Ginebra. Make PBA games attractive.

In short, the PBA has to accommodate FIBA and the EASL while at the same time being sustainable.

They never know how popular PBA will be if they realize the market outside PBA. Imagine let's say TNT is the talk of the town among asian basketball clubs.. plus they can earn more via buy out.. they should not afraid of changes..

 

[ja.he2]

They never know how popular PBA will be if they realize the market outside PBA. Imagine let's say TNT is the talk of the town among asian basketball clubs.. plus they can earn more via buy out.. they should not afraid of changes..

As a matter of fact, the well-known Pinoy players overseas are not even from SMB and Ginebra during their Gilas stints (Kiefer, BRP, Romeo and Castro).

 

[reamily2]

No one watches b league games except for ibners and player fans of the b league players.. Spin na lang talaga bumubuhay at tiebreaker times.. they gave up on some of our div 2 guys pa nga..Get the Japan money and run..

 

[IPC2]

Trade alert: Justin Melton to Blackwater for Ed Daquioag.

 

[IPC2]

As I said Ginebra is the only SMC team who can match up with TNT in a series.

1. COACHING

Coach Tim is probably the only Coach better than Coach Chot in the pba.

No disrespect to Coach Chito (who we praised last time), but he was outcoached when Coach Chot exposed Sangalang and Reavis Inability to defend pick and rolls.
And As for Coach Austria, we all know he just rely on the talent of his players. Not even a good in game adjustment x and o coach.

2. TALENT

Ginebra and Talk and Text are equal in talent imo. (Both fully healthy)

3. CLUTCH GENES

Ginebra was a regular customer in the semis and finals. Before the last conference. SMB was too, but they already sold players. Magnolia is ok now too I guess. Since they just been in the finals.

4. Import

I will say Brownlee is still the best import in the conference now.

We all know it will came to SMC VS MVP in the Semis and Finals. (Unless Phoenix and Ros surprise us)

Still think Victolero is the best coach in the SMC group, or at the very least, they're tied. Not taking away from Cone, though, but I think Victolero is better at in-game adjustments. As to Cone, he's figured his offense out once again and reverted to the modernized system he's run for the past few years. Victolero has a clear edge in defense, though, because his teams can counter both penetration and outside shots, which make Magnolia a good team in the EASL. 'Yun nga lang, Sangalang and Reavis are PnR liabilities.

As to talent, yeah, I agree. It's probably between TNT and Ginebra at this point.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Still think Victolero is the best coach in the SMC group, or at the very least, they're tied. Not taking away from Cone, though, but I think Victolero is better at in-game adjustments. As to Cone, he's figured his offense out once again and reverted to the modernized system he's run for the past few years. Victolero has a clear edge in defense, though, because his teams can counter both penetration and outside shots, which make Magnolia a good team in the EASL. 'Yun nga lang, Sangalang and Reavis are PnR liabilities.

As to talent, yeah, I agree. It's probably between TNT and Ginebra at this point.

Agree to disagree. Hehe.

I just want to see more from Coach Chito. Especially win some championships. he only won 1 championship and that is against another ringless coach Alex Compton.

He won 1 ring in 5 years (2016-2021)

He have good players. So I don't think it is lack of talent.

But he is in the right track. I believe he is better than Austria(who just rely on his superteam tbh) But not yet in the level of Coach tim.

I will probably rank Coach Chito 3rd best pba coach after Tim Cone and Chot Reyes.

If he win another ring or a couple in the next 5 years. I will put him among the top.

I dont know. I am also including "Did you win it all?" factor.
Though I know players are more crucial in that. But for me, he have a talented roster who can compete.

Still, one of the best pba coach right now.

 

[IPC2]

Agree to disagree. Hehe.

I just want to see more from Coach Chito. Especially win some championships. he only won 1 championship and that is against another ringless coach Alex Compton.

He won 1 ring in 5 years (2016-2021)

He have good players. So I don't think it is lack of talent.

But he is in the right track. I believe he is better than Austria(who just rely on his superteam tbh) But not yet in the level of Coach tim.

I will probably rank Coach Chito 3rd best pba coach after Tim Cone and Chot Reyes.

If he win another ring or a couple in the next 5 years. I will put him among the top.

I dont know. I am also including "Did you win it all?" factor.
Though I know players are more crucial in that. But for me, he have a talented roster who can compete.

Still, one of the best pba coach right now.

Cone is an offensive coach now these days, and has shown his willingness to adapt. If Ginebra does end up being lined up for next year's EASL tournament, he'll have to tweak his defense, because Taiwanese, Japanese, and Korean teams do tend to take a lot of three-pointers. Take a page or two from TNT, MERALCO, Magnolia, and RoS, who all have shown the ability to rotate to shooters.

 

[IPC2]

Agree to disagree. Hehe.

I just want to see more from Coach Chito. Especially win some championships. he only won 1 championship and that is against another ringless coach Alex Compton.

He won 1 ring in 5 years (2016-2021)

He have good players. So I don't think it is lack of talent.

But he is in the right track. I believe he is better than Austria(who just rely on his superteam tbh) But not yet in the level of Coach tim.

I will probably rank Coach Chito 3rd best pba coach after Tim Cone and Chot Reyes.

If he win another ring or a couple in the next 5 years. I will put him among the top.

I dont know. I am also including "Did you win it all?" factor.
Though I know players are more crucial in that. But for me, he have a talented roster who can compete.

Still, one of the best pba coach right now.

As for Victolero, he just needs to adjust his defense to his personnel, like Sangalang for example. Look at how the Bulls and Nuggets use Vučević and Jokić, or how RoS use Beau. They just disrupt the passing lanes. Maybe use Sangalang to just do that. This is probably his only shortcoming defensively. His teams can already cover penetration and outside shots.

 

[Rds2]

Agree to disagree. Hehe.

I just want to see more from Coach Chito. Especially win some championships. he only won 1 championship and that is against another ringless coach Alex Compton.

He won 1 ring in 5 years (2016-2021)

He have good players. So I don't think it is lack of talent.

But he is in the right track. I believe he is better than Austria(who just rely on his superteam tbh) But not yet in the level of Coach tim.

I will probably rank Coach Chito 3rd best pba coach after Tim Cone and Chot Reyes.

If he win another ring or a couple in the next 5 years. I will put him among the top.

I dont know. I am also including "Did you win it all?" factor.
Though I know players are more crucial in that. But for me, he have a talented roster who can compete.

Still, one of the best pba coach right now.

I think Compton was unlucky to go up against Fajardo era SMB. But I think he maximized the talent of his squad. Alaska started cost cutting during his tenure, letting go of its stars and good players when it became too expensive. Abueva and Manuel alone could not lift an aging and mediocre supporting cast. But they were able to reach the AFC finals 2x IRC by implementing a pressing defense and playing most of their players.

 

[IPC2]

I think Compton was unlucky to go up against Fajardo era SMB. But I think he maximized the talent of his squad. Alaska started cost cutting during his tenure, letting go of its stars and good players when it became too expensive. Abueva and Manuel alone could not lift an aging and mediocre supporting cast. But they were able to reach the AFC finals 2x IRC by implementing a pressing defense and playing most of their players.

That's similar to how TNT got to two consecutive All-Filipino finals. Difference is, TNT have more talent offensively, and were more of a halfcourt defensive team, but the effort on defense was there.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

As for Victolero, he just needs to adjust his defense to his personnel, like Sangalang for example. Look at how the Bulls and Nuggets use Vučević and Jokić, or how RoS use Beau. They just disrupt the passing lanes. Maybe use Sangalang to just do that. This is probably his only shortcoming defensively. His teams can already cover penetration and outside shots.

And that only shortcoming is very big imo.

PNR is almost the heart and soul of offensive plays right now.

Hmmm. Should we credit Coach Chot as TNT can defend pnr better? Or his players (Bigs) Kelly, Troy and Poy are just more versatile.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

I think Compton was unlucky to go up against Fajardo era SMB. But I think he maximized the talent of his squad. Alaska started cost cutting during his tenure, letting go of its stars and good players when it became too expensive. Abueva and Manuel alone could not lift an aging and mediocre supporting cast. But they were able to reach the AFC finals 2x IRC by implementing a pressing defense and playing most of their players.

They had a Chance in 2018 governors cup.

Yet, they lost to Coach Chito's Magnolia (With Lebron James HS teammate Romeo Travis)

 

[IPC2]

And that only shortcoming is very big imo.

PNR is almost the heart and soul of offensive plays right now.

Hmmm. Should we credit Coach Chot as TNT can defend pnr better? Or his players (Bigs) Kelly, Troy and Poy are just more versatile.

As to Chot, I think we should both credit him and his bigs. Chot designed a good defensivs scheme, and Kelly and Erram could cover PnR better.

Chot's preference for smaller (but not too small) but more defensively versatile bigs could not be faulted here.

 

[IPC2]

The problem is, our local bigs lose with this import height limit. This is a win for small-ball, but the small-ball center or small-ball 4 is usually the import. The local centers who can't play PF don't get as many opportunities to play either position, because the import and the local small-ball four are better than them. Unless the import's like Hester or Dior Lowhorn, we can't really develop our 6'6"-6'8" bigs to play PF.

Yeah

We gonna take positive with the negative.

Additionally, I don't really think any legit Center in Pba are talented enough to be a 4. JMF cant, Greg Cant, Chua cant, Belga Cant, Quinahan Cant.

Usually it is really the small ball 5 who can transition into 4. Like Hodge, Perkins, etc. And they are generally smaller.
Only exception would be maybe Japeth, the only 6'9 local big I can say that can play PF and C.

Yes This is a Wing/Combo Forward Import Conference.

No way you will play and experiment this 6'6-6'8 Inside Game Bigs in the 4 spot. They will have that when there will be a Unlimited Height Conference.

PERO to be frank. Even In Unlimited Height Conference, looks like Pba teams already realized that it is better to select a wing and forward than a center. (Just like Terrence Jones and Cmac)Because generally, 6'9'-6'10 wings/forwards are naturally more talented than 7'0 or above if we are talking about imports.

I agree about the preference of PBA teams on imports like Jones and CMac due to them being well-rounded players despite their 6'9" and above frame, but I think we can only speculate for now regarding the less preference on 7-footers.

When was the last time PBA had an open height limit for imports? Was it 2014/15 season? I remember KIA had an import from Africa (Ndiaye-something) and that import was lit as a rim protector, that even JMF couldn't put this usual kalabawan moves on him due to the import's wingspan + decent athleticism for a 7-footer, but thanks to KIA being a sophomore (and not too talented) team that year, that distinct advantage didn't matter.

Imagine if we have those kind back in the PBA, where some mid-table teams (Alaska, ROS, NLEX, PHX) with offensively-capable local guards/wings taking up their services. Even if limited offensively, the impact that import would bring on defense would more than make up for his perceived offensive deficiencies (I mean, he'd still be a 7-footer and athletic, and just needs to pair up with a good lob-passer).

6'10-7'0+ footers are great if they are talented enough. Like PJ Ramos, Chris Alexander, Ndiaye, Bowles, etc.

But most of the time they are not as talented as their wing import counterparts. (For ex. Sundov)

But yeah I agree. A skilled(or athletic) and Rim Protector 7 Footer import can lead lower and mediocre teams to contention. ( Like how Allen Durham convert meralco into barely playoff team into a Finals appearance team)

I mostly agree on your points here. I just realized that if ever PBA lifts the import height limit, its teams would probably still get beaten out in signing those talented NBA-sized bigs by the other Asian leagues (season calendar structure, more pay, etc.)

I dont think the word should be preference but more of fit. Take for instance Ginebra, with Slaughter and Japeth there, are you still going to get a bigman? Ofcourse you will always prefer a wing since they will fit more to the system than adding another big that will probably absorb the minutes of the twin tower. Same case with SMB, you cant get a guy that will probably take the touches of Junemar from the post. As for TNT, they were never known to be a post up/big man type of team so they will always prefer a versatile forward that can pass and shoot the ball instead of posting up. Also notice that aside from the 3 teams that I mention, most of the teams in the PBA prefer bigmen, even during a 6’5 limit conference they always look for an inside presence guy

I think really, only Ginebra, SMB, TNT, and probably Mags don't really feel the need for a dominant inside presence who could play center. The others, though, need a really big inside presence, even if it's just on the defensive end.

I hope the PBA considers an unli-height conference, and that unli-height conference should be one of only two tournaments, or maybe even the only tournament in the PBA season. The unli-height conference will get us more used used to playing with and against taller, more skilled, more athletic foreigners. This will help our younger 6'6"-6'8" bigs transition to 4, or be able to play 4, like Sangalang, Troy, Kelly, Erram. If our 6'6"-6'8" bigs play 4 alongside the import, their height will be less of an issue.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

As to Chot, I think we should both credit him and his bigs. Chot designed a good defensivs scheme, and Kelly and Erram could cover PnR better.

Chot's preference for smaller (but not too small) but more defensively versatile bigs could not be faulted here.

Yeah. Coach Chot improved more after his break from coaching. Probably learn a lot in coaching seminars, and watching basketball tapes.

Btw, I just realized all MVP Coaches (Chot, Yeng, Norman, even Coach Jong) came from SMC too. Lol

SMC and MVP not only get top players. Also Coaches. Lol.

Fortunately, Coaches Topex and Gavina are showing some potential.