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Yeah, they are, but matematician's point is that Alaska and RoS have won. Phoenix try to compete, but they haven't won a championship yet. Hope they do, though, with their small-ball system.
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Yeah, they are, but matematician's point is that Alaska and RoS have won. Phoenix try to compete, but they haven't won a championship yet. Hope they do, though, with their small-ball system.
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Yeah, they are, but matematician's point is that Alaska and RoS have won. Phoenix try to compete, but they haven't won a championship yet. Hope they do, though, with their small-ball system.
Not gonna lie. Phoenix had a chance against TNT in the last bubble format conference (where Ginebra beat TNT in Finals)
I think they were up 2-1???
Yeah. At least Phoenix is trying to compete.
Ros, Alaska, Phoenix are the only real independent non fa teams.
Alaska - With all due respect to Coach cariaso. I dont think he is good enough to boost and lead his team to contention. We saw a glimpse of this when he was on Ginebra. He is not nad, but not good enough. Ever since Coach tim leave them, they didnt win any championships. Though coach compton have some runner up finishes. Their lineup is not bad, but also not as talented, so coaching and system factors in more imo.
Ros - Coach Gavina, I think is an ok coach. Just need his players to familiarize more with his system
Phoenix - is the most likely contender. They have some materials. But playoffs inexperience as a team got them in prev seasons. Maybe they are more used to it now.
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Almost every contender is in need of a big SF (sans the wing import). Especially TNT, SMB, and Ginebra, who employ 3-guard lineups as their best lineups, and are a bit thin in that position. Even other playoff teams like MERALCO and Alaska are in serious need in that position.
Magnolia, NLEX, NorthPort, RoS, Phoenix, and TerraFirma, on the other hand, have plenty of big wings and/or versatile forwards, small-ball fours. Hope we can see that style contend.
This coming draft might see an increase in 6'4"-6'5" wings or combo forwards.
I am not so active much nowadays in watching pba than in the past.
But looking at the pba imports. Most of them are either Wings or Combo Forwards. (Ofc, 6'6 Height limit) So they filled up the SF position most of the time.
So far, I am impressed with the imports in general. They are versatile, can score, defend, pass, and rebound.
That Terrafirma import (hester) will be stolen by an SMC team I think in the future if they want to. He looks solid.
Smb have another scoring import in brown. Idk, the last time they had scoring machine imports like Reggie Williams, they did not succeed. But maybe brown can provw himself.
Brownlee is brownlee.
Mcdaniels is Mcdaniels.
Nice to see Paul Harris after his stint with ginebra stopped due injury.
I like the Magnolia Import Mike Harris. I heard 4 pba teams were interestes in him.
Meralco's import is very simple. Lmao. Just knocking down middies.
PS: Who replaced Sheryl Reyes (RIP) as Pba Import Agent???
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I am not so active much nowadays in watching pba than in the past.
But looking at the pba imports. Most of them are either Wings or Combo Forwards. (Ofc, 6'6 Height limit) So they filled up the SF position most of the time.
So far, I am impressed with the imports in general. They are versatile, can score, defend, pass, and rebound.
That Terrafirma import (hester) will be stolen by an SMC team I think in the future if they want to. He looks solid.
Smb have another scoring import in brown. Idk, the last time they had scoring machine imports like Reggie Williams, they did not succeed. But maybe brown can provw himself.
Brownlee is brownlee.
Mcdaniels is Mcdaniels.
Nice to see Paul Harris after his stint with ginebra stopped due injury.
I like the Magnolia Import Mike Harris. I heard 4 pba teams were interestes in him.
Meralco's import is very simple. Lmao. Just knocking down middies.
PS: Who replaced Sheryl Reyes (RIP) as Pba Import Agent???
That Mike Harris guy? How old is he? Sobrang tagal na nitong ata naglalaro. The first time I heard about him was during 2010 or 2011 I think. Chot wanted to get his services at that time but he was still playing for rio viper in the d league.
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I am not so active much nowadays in watching pba than in the past.
But looking at the pba imports. Most of them are either Wings or Combo Forwards. (Ofc, 6'6 Height limit) So they filled up the SF position most of the time.
So far, I am impressed with the imports in general. They are versatile, can score, defend, pass, and rebound.
That Terrafirma import (hester) will be stolen by an SMC team I think in the future if they want to. He looks solid.
Smb have another scoring import in brown. Idk, the last time they had scoring machine imports like Reggie Williams, they did not succeed. But maybe brown can provw himself.
Brownlee is brownlee.
Mcdaniels is Mcdaniels.
Nice to see Paul Harris after his stint with ginebra stopped due injury.
I like the Magnolia Import Mike Harris. I heard 4 pba teams were interestes in him.
Meralco's import is very simple. Lmao. Just knocking down middies.
PS: Who replaced Sheryl Reyes (RIP) as Pba Import Agent???
McDaniels, Paul Harris, Mike Harris, and Henry Walker have been deployed at the 5 as basically another wing at that position. It gives additional versatility while not sacrificing inside strength and rebounding. Additionally, they present a mismatch against bigs.
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McDaniels, Paul Harris, Mike Harris, and Henry Walker have been deployed at the 5 as basically another wing at that position. It gives additional versatility while not sacrificing inside strength and rebounding. Additionally, they present a mismatch against bigs.
And Aside from JMF and Greg. There are no 6'10 above Post Threat anyway. ( Brownlee proved in the past that he can defend JMF in the post)
The imports at 6'5-6'6 basically are generally same size as most Pba Big Men.
Ik we hate, or dont love pba as much as in the past.
But I give credit when credit is due
Looks like this coaches took coach tab's " Filipino Coaches lacks advance understanding of the technical advancement of the game"(or something like that" into heart.
When I listened to Coaches in Hoop Coaches, looks like open naman na sila for modern principles.
As they say, basketball is always evolving
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That Mike Harris guy? How old is he? Sobrang tagal na nitong ata naglalaro. The first time I heard about him was during 2010 or 2011 I think. Chot wanted to get his services at that time but he was still playing for rio viper in the d league.
He is 38 yrs old. Lmao. He was born in 1983.
He was the Alaska import in 2018 governors cup. He won Best Import. And lead alaska to finald before losing to Romeo Travis and Magnolia in the Finals.
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He is 38 yrs old. Lmao. He was born in 1983.
He was the Alaska import in 2018 governors cup. He won Best Import. And lead alaska to finald before losing to Romeo Travis and Magnolia in the Finals.
Yeah I also kinda remember him in 2018(though i think he was already out of his prime at that time). Sayang, imagine him back then competing against the likes of Freeman and Diamond Simpson back in 2010..
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And Aside from JMF and Greg. There are no 6'10 above Post Threat anyway. ( Brownlee proved in the past that he can defend JMF in the post)
The imports at 6'5-6'6 basically are generally same size as most Pba Big Men.
Ik we hate, or dont love pba as much as in the past.
But I give credit when credit is due
Looks like this coaches took coach tab's " Filipino Coaches lacks advance understanding of the technical advancement of the game"(or something like that" into heart.
When I listened to Coaches in Hoop Coaches, looks like open naman na sila for modern principles.
As they say, basketball is always evolving
The problem is, our local bigs lose with this import height limit. This is a win for small-ball, but the small-ball center or small-ball 4 is usually the import. The local centers who can't play PF don't get as many opportunities to play either position, because the import and the local small-ball four are better than them. Unless the import's like Hester or Dior Lowhorn, we can't really develop our 6'6"-6'8" bigs to play PF.
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The problem is, our local bigs lose with this import height limit. This is a win for small-ball, but the small-ball center or small-ball 4 is usually the import. The local centers who can't play PF don't get as many opportunities to play either position, because the import and the local small-ball four are better than them. Unless the import's like Hester or Dior Lowhorn, we can't really develop our 6'6"-6'8" bigs to play PF.
Yeah
We gonna take positive with the negative.
Additionally, I don't really think any legit Center in Pba are talented enough to be a 4. JMF cant, Greg Cant, Chua cant, Belga Cant, Quinahan Cant.
Usually it is really the small ball 5 who can transition into 4. Like Hodge, Perkins, etc. And they are generally smaller.
Only exception would be maybe Japeth, the only 6'9 local big I can say that can play PF and C.
Yes This is a Wing/Combo Forward Import Conference.
No way you will play and experiment this 6'6-6'8 Inside Game Bigs in the 4 spot. They will have that when there will be a Unlimited Height Conference.
PERO to be frank. Even In Unlimited Height Conference, looks like Pba teams already realized that it is better to select a wing and forward than a center. (Just like Terrence Jones and Cmac)Because generally, 6'9'-6'10 wings/forwards are naturally more talented than 7'0 or above if we are talking about imports.
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Tim Cone rarely run triangle with Ginebra these days. It's more of a free flowing offense really.
Yeah. I think they still apply some concepts of triangle in their set plays.
But their playing in much faster pace now than their triangle era.
The good thing about free flowing offense, is you allow your players to have free will and freedom to execute and decide the play and ball action themselves. (Ofc, should be guided and controlled if overboard)
Kinda ironic because Cone has the manpower to run a triangle offense.
Yeah, Cone runs a modernized offense these days. Last conference was the exception, where he reverted to triangle. Offensively, he's adapted to the times.
However, defensively, it's kind of a concern. Cone's still willing to give up threes, and Ginebra gave up a ton last night.
I think this in not only limited to ginebra.
Pba Players tendecies are to help in the slashers and penetrations.
They giving up threes because for them " It is a low percentage shot" compared to a layup/dunk. (Which is somehow true) But they need to learn to defend everything.
I know there is a saying "You can't defend everything". But maybe try to minimize or challenge all kind of shots
For it to be completely change. 2 things I think should happen.
1. Pba Teams should have a Big that Can already Rim Protect by themselves. So help is not required.
2. If Pba shooters made them pay most of the time. No offense to our shooters, but compared to their european and even american shooter counterparts, they are not as consistent.
Yeah, and for teams to be forced to defend the 3 point line, we need to be able to create open looks. Not just spot-up shooting and off PnR or iso, but also off the screen and off off-ball movement. We're not as advanced in that regard as SoKor. Of course, making the defense pay is a big part of the equation as well.
We also need to take the open shot, especially when the closest defender is too deep, too close to the shaded area. Sometimes kasi, we wait for the defender to get close. When the defender is close enough after the catch, and the closeout is overzealous, THAT's when we attack the closeout.
As for the rim protector, you generally need a big import for that, or at least someone who can block shots and protect from the weakside.
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Yeah
We gonna take positive with the negative.
Additionally, I don't really think any legit Center in Pba are talented enough to be a 4. JMF cant, Greg Cant, Chua cant, Belga Cant, Quinahan Cant.
Usually it is really the small ball 5 who can transition into 4. Like Hodge, Perkins, etc. And they are generally smaller.
Only exception would be maybe Japeth, the only 6'9 local big I can say that can play PF and C.
Yes This is a Wing/Combo Forward Import Conference.
No way you will play and experiment this 6'6-6'8 Inside Game Bigs in the 4 spot. They will have that when there will be a Unlimited Height Conference.
PERO to be frank. Even In Unlimited Height Conference, looks like Pba teams already realized that it is better to select a wing and forward than a center. (Just like Terrence Jones and Cmac)Because generally, 6'9'-6'10 wings/forwards are naturally more talented than 7'0 or above if we are talking about imports.
Actually, Belga and Quiñahan have both played PF, which is why I could qualify them as small-ball centers. We also have Mo Tautuaa and Ian Sangalang as 6'7" bigs who could both play PF. As for Jones, he's already a big with a perimeter skillset, a unique import. He can play center and force another 6'6"-6'8" big to develop at PF if talented enough. Well, anyways, we do have a couple of upcoming 6'6"-6'8" bigs who can play PF from the collegiate ranks.
Well, anyways, good to see that small-ball is taking hold in the PBA. Hopefully we see more of these 5-out lineups in the immediate future, with three 6'4"-6'6" wings manning the frontline positions.
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I like Tim Cone because he's a defensive coach and he's pretty much the only reason why I still watch PBA these days. But yeah, he needs to modify his defensive schemes, he still has that old school mindset, he'd rather give up a low percentage shots than letting the opponent score around the paint. Which is not a bad thing, tbf, but the way basketball is being played in the modern era, that wouldn't work at all.
They usually form a triangle during half court set, but that's pretty much about it.
This video by Hoops Highlights also lays down the old-school mindset of commentators particularly Quinito Henson:
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Actually, Belga and Quiñahan have both played PF, which is why I could qualify them as small-ball centers. We also have Mo Tautuaa and Ian Sangalang as 6'7" bigs who could both play PF. As for Jones, he's already a big with a perimeter skillset, a unique import. He can play center and force another 6'6"-6'8" big to develop at PF if talented enough. Well, anyways, we do have a couple of upcoming 6'6"-6'8" bigs who can play PF from the collegiate ranks.
Well, anyways, good to see that small-ball is taking hold in the PBA. Hopefully we see more of these 5-out lineups in the immediate future, with three 6'4"-6'6" wings manning the frontline positions.
Who are these 6'6-6'8 prospects?
I suppose Fil Foreigners (just for lack of term) modified rules will allow players such as Taylor Stratham and Brandon Rosser. Etc.
Wow, I need to review who are the 2022 pba draftees
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Who are these 6'6-6'8 prospects?
I suppose Fil Foreigners (just for lack of term) modified rules will allow players such as Taylor Stratham and Brandon Rosser. Etc.
Wow, I need to review who are the 2022 pba draftees
We already know some of them from Gilas. Go has played PF for Gilas (and he's drafted in the PBA). Baltazar as well, Tamayo too. Although, hoping the latter two would play abroad first.
Sa draft prospects, I think 6'7" Christian Fajarito and 6'7" Jeo Ambohot from Letran can be viable collegiate PF prospects. From others, pwede si Brandon Rosser.
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Pba Fil Foreign Prospects that gained my interest
I start with The Nba G league Guys. (Mikey Williams success rise up the stock of former g league players)
1. Mikh Mckinney - McKinney, 29, took the ABL by storm in his three seasons there, largely starring for the Macau Black Bears. He immediately made his mark by winning the Heritage Import MVP in his rookie season in 2017-18.
2. Stephen Holt - Gilas prospect, the 6-foot-4 Holt has been a journeyman since graduating from Saint Mary's in 2014.
He's had stints in the NBA G League with the Canton Charge, before stints in Australia, Spain, Czech Republic, Poland, Kazakhstan, Slovenia, and lastly in Romania where he currently plays for CSM Oradea and averages 9.6 points on 36-percent shooting, 4.1 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 27.0 minutes.
3. Sedrick Barefield - Here's another former national team prospect.
The 6-foot-2 Barefield has had a solid run with the Oklahoma City Blue in the NBA G League back in the 2019-20 season before exploring his prospects overseas.
He signed with Kedainiai Nevezis in Lithuania last season before joining AS Apollon Patras in Greece this year. In his three games so far, the 24-year-old guard has registered 3.0 points in 12.6 minutes of play.
4. Taylor Statham - Statham's caliber is unquestionable, with the 6-foot-6 forward boasting experiences with the then-Los Angeles D-Fenders in the NBA G League.
Unfortunately, looks like only Taylor is consideeing pba as of the moment.
Other notables are Jason Brickman and Brandon Rosser
I start with The Nba G league Guys. (Mikey Williams success rise up the stock of former g league players)
1. Mikh Mckinney - McKinney, 29, took the ABL by storm in his three seasons there, largely starring for the Macau Black Bears. He immediately made his mark by winning the Heritage Import MVP in his rookie season in 2017-18.
2. Stephen Holt - Gilas prospect, the 6-foot-4 Holt has been a journeyman since graduating from Saint Mary's in 2014.
He's had stints in the NBA G League with the Canton Charge, before stints in Australia, Spain, Czech Republic, Poland, Kazakhstan, Slovenia, and lastly in Romania where he currently plays for CSM Oradea and averages 9.6 points on 36-percent shooting, 4.1 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 27.0 minutes.
3. Sedrick Barefield - Here's another former national team prospect.
The 6-foot-2 Barefield has had a solid run with the Oklahoma City Blue in the NBA G League back in the 2019-20 season before exploring his prospects overseas.
He signed with Kedainiai Nevezis in Lithuania last season before joining AS Apollon Patras in Greece this year. In his three games so far, the 24-year-old guard has registered 3.0 points in 12.6 minutes of play.
4. Taylor Statham - Statham's caliber is unquestionable, with the 6-foot-6 forward boasting experiences with the then-Los Angeles D-Fenders in the NBA G League.
Unfortunately, looks like only Taylor is consideeing pba as of the moment.
Other notables are Jason Brickman and Brandon Rosser
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Yeah
We gonna take positive with the negative.
Additionally, I don't really think any legit Center in Pba are talented enough to be a 4. JMF cant, Greg Cant, Chua cant, Belga Cant, Quinahan Cant.
Usually it is really the small ball 5 who can transition into 4. Like Hodge, Perkins, etc. And they are generally smaller.
Only exception would be maybe Japeth, the only 6'9 local big I can say that can play PF and C.
Yes This is a Wing/Combo Forward Import Conference.
No way you will play and experiment this 6'6-6'8 Inside Game Bigs in the 4 spot. They will have that when there will be a Unlimited Height Conference.
PERO to be frank. Even In Unlimited Height Conference, looks like Pba teams already realized that it is better to select a wing and forward than a center. (Just like Terrence Jones and Cmac)Because generally, 6'9'-6'10 wings/forwards are naturally more talented than 7'0 or above if we are talking about imports.
I agree about the preference of PBA teams on imports like Jones and CMac due to them being well-rounded players despite their 6'9" and above frame, but I think we can only speculate for now regarding the less preference on 7-footers.
When was the last time PBA had an open height limit for imports? Was it 2014/15 season? I remember KIA had an import from Africa (Ndiaye-something) and that import was lit as a rim protector, that even JMF couldn't put this usual kalabawan moves on him due to the import's wingspan + decent athleticism for a 7-footer, but thanks to KIA being a sophomore (and not too talented) team that year, that distinct advantage didn't matter.
Imagine if we have those kind back in the PBA, where some mid-table teams (Alaska, ROS, NLEX, PHX) with offensively-capable local guards/wings taking up their services. Even if limited offensively, the impact that import would bring on defense would more than make up for his perceived offensive deficiencies (I mean, he'd still be a 7-footer and athletic, and just needs to pair up with a good lob-passer).
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I agree about the preference of PBA teams on imports like Jones and CMac due to them being well-rounded players despite their 6'9" and above frame, but I think we can only speculate for now regarding the less preference on 7-footers.
When was the last time PBA had an open height limit for imports? Was it 2014/15 season? I remember KIA had an import from Africa (Ndiaye-something) and that import was lit as a rim protector, that even JMF couldn't put this usual kalabawan moves on him due to the import's wingspan + decent athleticism for a 7-footer, but thanks to KIA being a sophomore (and not too talented) team that year, that distinct advantage didn't matter.
Imagine if we have those kind back in the PBA, where some mid-table teams (Alaska, ROS, NLEX, PHX) with offensively-capable local guards/wings taking up their services. Even if limited offensively, the impact that import would bring on defense would more than make up for his perceived offensive deficiencies (I mean, he'd still be a 7-footer and athletic, and just needs to pair up with a good lob-passer).
6'10-7'0+ footers are great if they are talented enough. Like PJ Ramos, Chris Alexander, Ndiaye, Bowles, etc.
But most of the time they are not as talented as their wing import counterparts. (For ex. Sundov)
But yeah I agree. A skilled(or athletic) and Rim Protector 7 Footer import can lead lower and mediocre teams to contention. ( Like how Allen Durham convert meralco into barely playoff team into a Finals appearance team)
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6'10-7'0+ footers are great if they are talented enough. Like PJ Ramos, Chris Alexander, Ndiaye, Bowles, etc.
But most of the time they are not as talented as their wing import counterparts. (For ex. Sundov)
But yeah I agree. A skilled(or athletic) and Rim Protector 7 Footer import can lead lower and mediocre teams to contention. ( Like how Allen Durham convert meralco into barely playoff team into a Finals appearance team)
I mostly agree on your points here. I just realized that if ever PBA lifts the import height limit, its teams would probably still get beaten out in signing those talented NBA-sized bigs by the other Asian leagues (season calendar structure, more pay, etc.)