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DAdmiral2
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Non dominant? What alternative facts are you looking for? Tell me in scoring how far down the line will you see a japanese guy in the leaderboard. Do you see a japanese local in the top ten.
In general, no need to nit pick, and i mentioned Aus and Nz nbl as well, it's common knowledge the PBA is a league where imports previously avg 50 pts., while this may not be the case anymore , there definitely is a culture and norm of Asa sa import style in the Philippines.
Thirdy is an import and far from even being a main player. This would be unacceptable in the PBA context. If you're an import u need to be a star, ball dominant
Pont is regulation Policy is flawed.
Imports are on short term "high hourly like consultant like contracts , while locals are like regular permanent employees. So of course there will be a disparity in levels, the expectation of short term hire is much higher than a regular employee.
Look at the UAAP they have same under the table deals , but no one can hire a super import , why? no super talent will commit to like 2 years in the Philippines, no matter what you pay him
As some coach said , the one import per one conference is dumb.. it's counter productive to developing and exposure for local players. Built bad practice, basically hire a Michael Jordan to win a ring mentality is encouraged, ( the team with best import normally wins ring)
and as someone stated, borrowing line..
"Filipinos - individually great - collectively, insular. We are best when we transcend our physical and mental islands ."
That's the main problem here..
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2904513509804617&set=gm.2109251065891206
the ( PBA) should look into signing more long term imports (multi years like thirdy) , and the season should allow an import to play in all games, ( no conference silly stuff)
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IPC2
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In general, no need to nit pick, and i mentioned Aus and Nz nbl as well, it's common knowledge the PBA is a league where imports previously avg 50 pts., while this may not be the case anymore , there definitely is a culture and norm of Asa sa import style in the Philippines.
Thirdy is an import and far from even being a main player. This would be unacceptable in the PBA context. If you're an import u need to be a star, ball dominant
Pont is regulation Policy is flawed.
Imports are on short term "high hourly like consultant like contracts , while locals are like regular permanent employees. So of course there will be a disparity in levels, the expectation of short term hire is much higher than a regular employee.
Look at the UAAP they have same under the table deals , but no one can hire a super import , why? no super talent will commit to like 2 years in the Philippines, no matter what you pay him
As some coach said , the one import per one conference is dumb.. it's counter productive to developing and exposure for local players. Built bad practice, basically hire a Michael Jordan to win a ring mentality is encouraged, ( the team with best import normally wins ring)
and as someone stated, borrowing line..
"Filipinos - individually great - collectively, insular. We are best when we transcend our physical and mental islands ."
That's the main problem here..
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2904513509804617&set=gm.2109251065891206
the ( PBA) should look into signing more long term imports (multi years like thirdy) , and the season should allow an import to play in all games, ( no conference silly stuff)
Including the import's salary in the team salary cap could be nice, but that crap will never happen.
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DAdmiral2
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Including the import's salary in the team salary cap could be nice, but that crap will never happen.
Actually it's not the cap that will minimize hiring "super imports" but it's the structure of conference short term format with different set of imports.
The UAAP has no control of benefits provided to foreign players or any player actually, yet it does not attract super players who will dominate the league and win the title singlehandedly . Why? cause there is residency and tenure restrictions for eligibility.
look the NZ breakers just recruited a 20 year old import and signed for 3 years. This import may not even get decent minutes but is still considered a good signing ( a smart one) , again it's the structure of the competition format. The PBA structure is just flawed.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2904513509804617&set=gm.2109251065891206
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zairex2
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In general, no need to nit pick, and i mentioned Aus and Nz nbl as well, it's common knowledge the PBA is a league where imports previously avg 50 pts., while this may not be the case anymore , there definitely is a culture and norm of Asa sa import style in the Philippines.
Thirdy is an import and far from even being a main player. This would be unacceptable in the PBA context. If you're an import u need to be a star, ball dominant
Pont is regulation Policy is flawed.
Imports are on short term "high hourly like consultant like contracts , while locals are like regular permanent employees. So of course there will be a disparity in levels, the expectation of short term hire is much higher than a regular employee.
Look at the UAAP they have same under the table deals , but no one can hire a super import , why? no super talent will commit to like 2 years in the Philippines, no matter what you pay him
As some coach said , the one import per one conference is dumb.. it's counter productive to developing and exposure for local players. Built bad practice, basically hire a Michael Jordan to win a ring mentality is encouraged, ( the team with best import normally wins ring)
and as someone stated, borrowing line..
"Filipinos - individually great - collectively, insular. We are best when we transcend our physical and mental islands ."
That's the main problem here..
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2904513509804617&set=gm.2109251065891206
the ( PBA) should look into signing more long term imports (multi years like thirdy) , and the season should allow an import to play in all games, ( no conference silly stuff)
Don't nitpick yet you used Thirdy stint in B.League.
Beside look at Thirdy team, asa import then sila. 70% of their scoring comes from imports.
Even in NBL imports dominates the top 10 scorers.
No New Zealanders are in the top ten in scoring in NZ NBL.
Stop making falsehood statements just to fit your narrative. You just a plain hypocrite and liar because you have done this so many times. Creating falsehood claims. Go to PEX, people don't care about facts there.
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IPC2
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Actually it's not the cap that will minimize hiring "super imports" but it's the structure of conference short term format with different set of imports.
The UAAP has no control of benefits provided to foreign players or any player actually, yet it does not attract super players who will dominate the league and win the title singlehandedly . Why? cause there is residency and tenure restrictions for eligibility.
look the NZ breakers just recruited a 20 year old import and signed for 3 years. This import may not even get decent minutes but is still considered a good signing ( a smart one) , again it's the structure of the competition format. The PBA structure is just flawed.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2904513509804617&set=gm.2109251065891206
Unfortunately, there are exceptions. Justin Brownlee, a super import, is basically Ginebra's resident import for almost every import conference. He's played for them in 133 out of 193 games over 8 conferences from 2016-19 (although in 2 of those conferences, he was a replacement). That's a 69% total. Thing is, Ginebra can afford him (due to finances, and also due to personnel).
2015-16: 22 of 23
2016-17: 39 of 64
2017-18: 34 of 54
2019: 38 of 52
I counted the All-Filipino conferences to show that Brownlee still plays a bit of a substantial percentage of the season. Some teams can afford super imports over the course of a full season.
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DAdmiral2
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That's a problem if it's an exception, and the exception is a rule. Zero import all Filipino, 6 '9 for 2nd con, and 6 '5 for 3rd .
Note regular players are payed for the whole year , while imports are paid per month or per game.
That creates imbalance on how to use your budget.
Basketball is a sport that having the best go to guy is a big determinant on winning , so if u can focus your budget on 3 months with a super import .
Then it's actually smart for winning . But u get what u pay for a dominant player expected to being you to the promise land and u can hire someone who's taking a break from the NBA , as he does not need to commit for more than 3 months.
Note regular players are payed for the whole year , while imports are paid per month or per game.
That creates imbalance on how to use your budget.
Basketball is a sport that having the best go to guy is a big determinant on winning , so if u can focus your budget on 3 months with a super import .
Then it's actually smart for winning . But u get what u pay for a dominant player expected to being you to the promise land and u can hire someone who's taking a break from the NBA , as he does not need to commit for more than 3 months.
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DAdmiral2
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Don't nitpick yet you used Thirdy stint in B.League.
Beside look at Thirdy team, asa import then sila. 70% of their scoring comes from imports.
Even in NBL imports dominates the top 10 scorers.
No NZ players is top 10 in scoring
Stop making falsehood statements just to fit your narrative. You just a plain hypocrite and liar because you have done this so many times. Creating falsehood claims. Go to PEX, people don't care about facts there.
MELBOURNE the NBL champion has no import that is topnotch player , Lansdale and Goulding are betteer than their import
Cotton (2nd team finals )the MVP of the league (imports are eligible for MVP) is not an import
Phoenix 3rd place, 2nd import is a bench player their other import didn't play for more than 70 % of their games
Look at the mytical team, there hardly any imports, who are eligible to be selected.
Nz NBL, the top team the Saints , their best players top scorer is a local Dion, their import is like their 3rd scorer and is a shooting guard.. , they even dropped their 2nd import and just play with one
What are we're you saying ? Who's talking falsehood here. The thing is you simply Google stats without looking at context.
https://www.espn.com.au/nbl/story/_...n-wins-third-nbl-andrew-gaze-trophy-mvp-award
There are more locals in both the 1st and 2nd all NBL teams
Zairex, I know your supporting the PBA which is commendable, and are trying to use arguments to dish the B league and others , but honestly the things you argue as basis are way off in true context. Trust me your understanding of things are lacking..
The points you use , such as import usage , not seeing the advantage of length, understanding of levels, . How teams prepare are all off and lacking of understanding.
BTW I couldn't believe u actually tried blatantly lieing
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4109872882381759&id=197162666986153&sfnsn=mo
Half, (5) of the top 10 scorers in the NZ NBL are Nz locals lol(and u said none , sir , why do you try these things..?
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The PBA should honestly reform their season. I think a way can be devised to make sure the PBA still has 3 playoff tournaments (since they're the ones that sell).
1. Accommodate imports FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. Find a way to make them stay long-term. OK lang ang 1-import limit, but no height restrictions.
2. Format is this: A 33-game elimination round (yes, triple round-robin), followed by playoffs. The playoff placings will determine who goes in the EASL. The season should be from September to June, in accordance with the FIBA calendar.
3. Before the All-Star Break, there should be a midseason cup tournament, somewhat like Spain's Copa del Rey. The top 6 or 8 teams by midseason participate in this cup tournament.
4. The All-Filipino should be reduced to just a preseason tournament (and as such gives no bearing to the main season). Gives prospects and bench warmers chance to prove themselves.
1. Accommodate imports FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. Find a way to make them stay long-term. OK lang ang 1-import limit, but no height restrictions.
2. Format is this: A 33-game elimination round (yes, triple round-robin), followed by playoffs. The playoff placings will determine who goes in the EASL. The season should be from September to June, in accordance with the FIBA calendar.
3. Before the All-Star Break, there should be a midseason cup tournament, somewhat like Spain's Copa del Rey. The top 6 or 8 teams by midseason participate in this cup tournament.
4. The All-Filipino should be reduced to just a preseason tournament (and as such gives no bearing to the main season). Gives prospects and bench warmers chance to prove themselves.
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The PBA should honestly reform their season. I think a way can be devised to make sure the PBA still has 3 playoff tournaments (since they're the ones that sell).
1. Accommodate imports FOR THE WHOLE SEASON. Find a way to make them stay long-term. OK lang ang 1-import limit, but no height restrictions.
2. Format is this: A 33-game elimination round (yes, triple round-robin), followed by playoffs. The playoff placings will determine who goes in the EASL. The season should be from September to June, in accordance with the FIBA calendar.
3. Before the All-Star Break, there should be a midseason cup tournament, somewhat like Spain's Copa del Rey. The top 6 or 8 teams by midseason participate in this cup tournament.
4. The All-Filipino should be reduced to just a preseason tournament (and as such gives no bearing to the main season). Gives prospects and bench warmers chance to prove themselves.
I have been advocating for the No. 2 for about a decade now. I think in this pandemic era, its no longer practical running a long season (10 months) that the PBA has been doing.
Here's my take: During the PBA off-season - July to September, national team players in the PBA should train/practice & play for Gilas. Come to think of it, by 2025, most of the current Gilas players like Dwight Ramos, Baltazar, Tamayo, RJ Abarrientos, SJ Belangel, would be in the PBA. If they are united with fellow Gilas players who are now PBA players - Navarro, Heading, Go, Matt Nieto, Suerte, Bulanadi, in Gilas training camp during the PBA off-season, these players already have an established chemistry & bonding which they've developed playing for together for Gilas before they turned pro. Kumbaga eh they'll just need some refresher na lang.
Kai & Kouame can join them during the July to September period since almost all pro leagues in the world (including the NBA, NBL-Australia & European pro leagues) are in the off season in that period.
This is what most, if not all, countries have been doing in years/decades. This is about continuity.
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zairex2
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MELBOURNE the NBL champion has no import that is topnotch player , Lansdale and Goulding are betteer than their import
Cotton (2nd team finals )the MVP of the league (imports are eligible for MVP) is not an import
Phoenix 3rd place, 2nd import is a bench player their other import didn't play for more than 70 % of their games
Look at the mytical team, there hardly any imports, who are eligible to be selected.
Nz NBL, the top team the Saints , their best players top scorer is a local Dion, their import is like their 3rd scorer and is a shooting guard.. , they even dropped their 2nd import and just play with one
What are we're you saying ? Who's talking falsehood here. The thing is you simply Google stats without looking at context.
https://www.espn.com.au/nbl/story/_...n-wins-third-nbl-andrew-gaze-trophy-mvp-award
There are more locals in both the 1st and 2nd all NBL teams
Zairex, I know your supporting the PBA which is commendable, and are trying to use arguments to dish the B league and others , but honestly the things you argue as basis are way off in true context. Trust me your understanding of things are lacking..
The points you use , such as import usage , not seeing the advantage of length, understanding of levels, . How teams prepare are all off and lacking of understanding.
BTW I couldn't believe u actually tried blatantly lieing
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4109872882381759&id=197162666986153&sfnsn=mo
Half, (5) of the top 10 scorers in the NZ NBL are Nz locals lol(and u said none , sir , why do you try these things..?
The real facts on Bryce Cotton. He is an American that had married his Australian that's why he is local https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Cotton
Cotton was an import first. Anyways that still make only 3 of the 7 players in NBL who are local. Which my original statement is true.
I stand corrected on Dion, only one of the top ten scorers. All Imports. Here I get my info https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/75/New-Zealand-NBL/stats
Tell me how many are there are NZL.
I don't support PBA, I support the truth not lies to fit narratives. I don't dish other leagues as you do. My mistake is small compare to blatantly saying B. League is not Asa import league.
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zairex2
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Di ganun ang gusto nya sabihin.. what he want to point here is imports are plugging the hole the team badly needs.. example here is Ricardo Ratliffe of Korea? He is their top scorer and rebounder.. it means "ASA sa import" Korea? No!! Nagkataon Lang Ratliffe is so effective even in systematic team like Korea..Yun ang gusto nya iparating.. imports can score 50 pts, as long base on the system coaches requires.. pwede sabihin ASA sa import ang isang team if the team has no system and the give all the ball to their import..
If that's true which team in PBA has no system and gives it to their imports 80% of the time. Just for sake of telling the truth. Which majority of B.League doesn't do.
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IPC2
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If that's true which team in PBA has no system and gives it to their imports 80% of the time. Just for sake of telling the truth. Which majority of B.League doesn't do.
Well, Ginebra, TNT, and Phoenix ran system offenses last year. When there were imports, I know for a fact that Brownlee scored majority of Ginebra's points, but most of the time, he played within their system. TNT ran their offense through Terrence Jones a little too much at times in the 2019 Comm's Cup, but when they didn't, they usually followed their system. Mags, they have kind of an equal-opportunity offense (which frankly is not their calling card; defense is), especially with Romeo Travis. Yeng, equal-opportunity, although a lot of the time, the import is the top scorer.
We know how Ginebra's offense works with Brownlee. Let's see if Phoenix can make their imports play within their system. TNT, back to Chot's offensive system, most likely. So give it to their best players. MERALCO and RoS also have an equal opportunity offense as far as the locals are concerned, but they really need to lean on their imports, kasi their local scoring complement isn't good enough.
I'm on the fence with TerraFirma, NorthPort, and Blackwater.
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DAdmiral2
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The real facts on Bryce Cotton. He is an American that had married his Australian that's why he is local https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryce_Cotton
Cotton was an import first. Anyways that still make only 3 of the 7 players in NBL who are local. Which my original statement is true.
I stand corrected on Dion, only one of the top ten scorers. All Imports. Here I get my info https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/75/New-Zealand-NBL/stats
Tell me how many are there are NZL.
I don't support PBA, I support the truth not lies to fit narratives. I don't dish other leagues as you do. My mistake is small compare to blatantly saying B. League is not Asa import league.
I think before u comment make sure you have correct understanding.
The link I shared is the official NZ NBL site, (it's updated as.of today)with scoring average leaders, the one you shared is not official and old.
2nd you don't even know who is an import , Marcel Jones is a NZ citizen always has been . 4 in the top 10 are Kiwis , Dion, Marcel, Timmins , Vadanovic, Raukawa , another Kiwi is onthe list.
Now on the Australian NBL, context , all NBL league teams is what matters, imports scoring pts in cellar dweller means nothing . Are we not talking about asa sa import to win a title.
Well here are the facts 3 of the 5 all NBL team are locals
2nd team , 3 or the 5 again are locals
The champions Melbourne, don't even have a import as a top 3 player. Bench warmer lang , so with SEM
You're so way off in what matters , which is reliance on an import., any metric you use.
And BTW a metric , considers aversges and is not an absolute or just cites an outliner.
Korea for example winning , or team US losing does not mean anything. It's averages overall consistency.
That's what statistical correlation is based on, and fact is on average, 60 % of all NBL Australian both 1st and 2nd team are locals , fact is on average the top placed teams in world cup have higher numer of NBA, , Euro major league and div 1 players , . Does it mean they will always win, of course not but on aversge probability is higher, statistally proven.
Who's got all.his facts unproven now.
I can go on and on, I can't believe a guy is making statements on the Nz NBl league (like no kiwi is a top scorer) and is just googlijg , without even understanding context , who is kiwi ,.who is not. . This is a league I advise, have managed,
Stand corrected BS, you didn't have 1 mistake (just Dion), you had literally half wrong, 5 were wrong !
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DAdmiral2
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Here is why this zairex guy is so messed up wrong , he's using some Stat and fact to support or justify a total absolute conclusion.
It's like someone who used Ben Simmons made 100% of his FG in the 4th quarter for the conference finals something both LeBron or Jordan never did ever. And declare Ben is a better % shooter lol.
Go with the total picture , in context and what really matters .
Which is 60 % of both 1st and 2nd NBL teams are locals .
In the finals and semis the top 10 stars were 70% local. How's that for non reliance on imports , some teams.dont even use an import or at least not as a starter .
Any.one with half a brain knows that is what matters , when we are talking about extent of reliance on imports .
The incredible thing is this guy even made it a debate, it's not even debatable. That's what one can do when they start and spread.wrong information
BTW do want to show.me any PBA import conference, where even 2 of the top 10 scoers.are local.
And how often in terms of % has that even happened, like once in 20 years,.
Do you really want to talk and compare about Asa sa import now.? Isn't that the angle you were going with asking for stats. So so so way off ..
It's like someone who used Ben Simmons made 100% of his FG in the 4th quarter for the conference finals something both LeBron or Jordan never did ever. And declare Ben is a better % shooter lol.
Go with the total picture , in context and what really matters .
Which is 60 % of both 1st and 2nd NBL teams are locals .
In the finals and semis the top 10 stars were 70% local. How's that for non reliance on imports , some teams.dont even use an import or at least not as a starter .
Any.one with half a brain knows that is what matters , when we are talking about extent of reliance on imports .
The incredible thing is this guy even made it a debate, it's not even debatable. That's what one can do when they start and spread.wrong information
BTW do want to show.me any PBA import conference, where even 2 of the top 10 scoers.are local.
And how often in terms of % has that even happened, like once in 20 years,.
Do you really want to talk and compare about Asa sa import now.? Isn't that the angle you were going with asking for stats. So so so way off ..
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I think before u comment make sure you have correct understanding.
The link I shared is the official NZ NBL site, (it's updated as.of today)with scoring average leaders, the one you shared is not official and old.
2nd you don't even know who is an import , Marcel Jones is a NZ citizen always has been . 4 in the top 10 are Kiwis , Dion, Marcel, Timmins , Vadanovic, Raukawa , another Kiwi is onthe list.
Now on the Australian NBL, context , all NBL league teams is what matters, imports scoring pts in cellar dweller means nothing . Are we not talking about asa sa import to win a title.
Well here are the facts 3 of the 5 all NBL team are locals
2nd team , 3 or the 5 again are locals
The champions Melbourne, don't even have a import as a top 3 player. Bench warmer lang , so with SEM
You're so way off in what matters , which is reliance on an import., any metric you use.
And BTW a metric , considers aversges and is not an absolute or just cites an outliner.
Korea for example winning , or team US losing does not mean anything. It's averages overall consistency.
That's what statistical correlation is based on, and fact is on average, 60 % of all NBL Australian both 1st and 2nd team are locals , fact is on average the top placed teams in world cup have higher numer of NBA, , Euro major league and div 1 players , . Does it mean they will always win, of course not but on aversge probability is higher, statistally proven.
Who's got all.his facts unproven now.
I can go on and on, I can't believe a guy is making statements on the Nz NBl league (like no kiwi is a top scorer) and is just googlijg , without even understanding context , who is kiwi ,.who is not. . This is a league I advise, have managed,
Stand corrected BS, you didn't have 1 mistake (just Dion), you had literally half wrong, 5 were wrong !
I apologized for all the wrong info. This time I made a fool of myself. I apologized to Analyzed for calling him liar in this topic.
I still stick that B.League is a league with dominant imports. Just watch again all the games of Thirdy, how imports dominated the possession and plays. Imports that played in PBA and B.League have almost same stats like Durha, Walker.
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DAdmiral2
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It's all good...zairex..I do not really keep grudges
The only reason I has to respond is I was being accused of saying false things. But no worries, all good
The B league, I need to get more familiar with. To be able to provide opinion
But I'm impressed with Japan's recent development of players
The current Olympic team.to me is one of the most talented Asian teams I can recal
The only reason I has to respond is I was being accused of saying false things. But no worries, all good
The B league, I need to get more familiar with. To be able to provide opinion
But I'm impressed with Japan's recent development of players
The current Olympic team.to me is one of the most talented Asian teams I can recal
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the PBA is such a fine league, but in this case i support the fine to be imposed to protocol violators, would this avoid the fuccboi moves done by the likes of jio and scottie? heheh
The PBA will be sanctioning individuals who will violate the health and safety protocols that the league will put into place during the 2021 season. PBA commissioner Willie Marcial warned that fines and suspensions await players, coaches, and staff who will not comply with the safety and health standards the league will implement during the 2021 season.
PBA to punish protocol violators with P75K fine, 10-day suspension without pay. The last time an individual was fined P75,000 by the PBA was former TNT consultant Tab Baldwin, who was sanctioned for comments detrimental to the league last year. #GoodbyePBA
The PBA will be sanctioning individuals who will violate the health and safety protocols that the league will put into place during the 2021 season. PBA commissioner Willie Marcial warned that fines and suspensions await players, coaches, and staff who will not comply with the safety and health standards the league will implement during the 2021 season.
PBA to punish protocol violators with P75K fine, 10-day suspension without pay. The last time an individual was fined P75,000 by the PBA was former TNT consultant Tab Baldwin, who was sanctioned for comments detrimental to the league last year. #GoodbyePBA
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hmbopbaduwap2
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Triple headers will be the norm for the league for amonth until the inaugural 3x3 tournament gets off the ground.
Games will start at 12:30 p.m. and end by 7 p.m. under a closed-circuit format that will limit the movement of players, coaches, officials and league staff to home and venue. Sunday triple bills start at 2:30 p.m.
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-to-hold-triple-header-games-prior-to-3x3-tournament-a793-20210709?ref=home_featured_4
Games will start at 12:30 p.m. and end by 7 p.m. under a closed-circuit format that will limit the movement of players, coaches, officials and league staff to home and venue. Sunday triple bills start at 2:30 p.m.
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-to-hold-triple-header-games-prior-to-3x3-tournament-a793-20210709?ref=home_featured_4
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At the moment, the PBA is still determining whether it is feasible to bring in imports for the second conference. Marcial said holding another all-Filipino conference with Gilas Pilipinas as a guest team is also a possibility.
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-coming-2021-season-of-the-pba-a795-20210709?ref=home_featured_big
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-coming-2021-season-of-the-pba-a795-20210709?ref=home_featured_big