Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[IPC2]

I happened to see this in Facebook:

Apparently, not the best choice of words by the PBA.

 

[sajubeads2]

I sooo agree with this. sue their PBAsses. This stupid rule (crafted by lawyers?) is inhumane, and I'm betting would be unconstitutional. FIBA ban, for not agreeing to sign a contract? (am I getting this right?) Where in the world, what company, employer would have the right to do that? Ban them from the PBA, fine. Kill their basketball career? Pure evil.

One lawyer is of the Opinion that if PBA forced not allow Keifer to play in Japan that could be tantamount to violation of Involuntary Servitude which is a clear violation of a constitutional right of a person .While Kiefer maybe liable to Breech of Contract in which he will civilly required to pay PBA or NLEX damages that goes with it...The remedy would be Kiefer pay for the civil damages(buy out by the Japanese team) otherwise PBA could be criminally liable Involuntary servitude....

 

[CoJ2]

One lawyer is of the Opinion that if PBA forced not allow Keifer to play in Japan that could be tantamount to violation of Involuntary Servitude which is a clear violation of a constitutional right of a person .While Kiefer maybe liable to Breech of Contract in which he will civilly required to pay PBA or NLEX damages that goes with it...The remedy would be Kiefer pay for the civil damages(buy out by the Japanese team) otherwise PBA could be criminally liable Involuntary servitude....

would this also apply to BRP? who doesnt even have a contract in the 1st place?

 

[sajubeads2]

would this also apply to BRP? who doesnt even have a contract in the 1st place?

Mas lalong may laban si Ray Parks....PBA is just confident that being such a gargantuan organization No player will dare fight against them..

 

[IPC2]

Ah ok, I get it.

I'm thinking of a way to somewhat circumbent this anti-dodging rule & that is for a Pinoy player to enter the PBA draft, sign only a one year contract with a PBA team, then after the expiration of such contract, he can then seek offers from the B-league or elsewhere. In the case of Javi, play in Japan for just one year. Then if he does well in Japan, apply muna sya sa PBA draft, then sign for just one year contract then after mag expire PBA contract nya, pwede na uli sya bumalik sa Japan if there is/are still interested team/s there.

How's that bro?

That's a great way to circumvent the rule, actually. That's similar to what I was thinking of. One-year contracts with the PBA team, tapos go abroad if there are still interested teams overseas.

Can't be considered a draft dodger when you applied for the draft and fulfilled your contractual obligations.

won't work as long as there is a standing offer from mother PBA ballclub, even if contract already expired and player won't sign ala Ray Parks and Greg Slaughter. once you sign that PBA contract, PBA owns you.

Hypothetically speaking that is a good path for guys who doesn't want to be tied down to a PBA team.

I think, the problem is once they draft you they own your playing rights. You are at their mercy even if you don't have a live contract with them. They may not give you the clearance to play overseas or maybe you can play overseas but the PBA will ban you.

Any once you get inside the PBA mafia wala ka nang kawala. lol.

But yeah, seriously I think PBA teams will still have you on a leash even when you don't have a contract with them.

And therein lies the problem. PBA owns you and has you on a leash.

We'll need a legal action. This doesn't seem right, legally. In the first place, contracts bind only the player and the team, and the PBA acts only as the enforcer of the live contract. I get that the PBA is protecting their interests, pero ang dami namang stars diyan, o.

And another thing, contract offers have to be accepted to make it a binding contract. You cannot enforce a nonexistent contract.

 

[Thegloryball2]

PBA would die naturally let's just wait for it, the so called superstars of the league right now are getting older while our younger generations of player are getting smarter and starting to realize that PBA sucks and baduy. sort of more of a millenial thing lol playing abroad is way more cooler than playing locally. it is like idolizing BTS now than parokya ni edgar, rivermaya etc. ��

 

[CoJ2]

PBA would die naturally let's just wait for it, the so called superstars of the league right now are getting older while our younger generations of player are getting smarter and starting to realize that PBA sucks and baduy. sort of more of a millenial thing lol playing abroad is way more cooler than playing locally. it is like idolizing BTS now than parokya ni edgar, rivermaya etc. ��

it wont die unless RSA stop pouring funds from it and the class c-d-e fans stop watching the league

 

[JAMSKIE2]

it wont die unless RSA stop pouring funds from it and the class c-d-e fans stop watching the league

Maybe this pandemic is killing the PBA softly.

Of all the negatives that this pandemic have brought us, maybe one positive that it brought is the reality that it is hurting the PBA so much.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

And therein lies the problem. PBA owns you and has you on a leash.

We'll need a legal action. This doesn't seem right, legally. In the first place, contracts bind only the player and the team, and the PBA acts only as the enforcer of the live contract. I get that the PBA is protecting their interests, pero ang dami namang stars diyan, o.

And another thing, contract offers have to be accepted to make it a binding contract. You cannot enforce a nonexistent contract.

PBA has the right to protect its interests but definitely not at the expense of the players. Not to the extent of violating the rights of any player.

An employer not paying the SSS premiums of his employees could not use "protection of its interest" (maximize profit) to justify such act. We all know it is even a felony punishable by law.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

PBA is like a grocery store in which when someone buys crackers sa kabilang grocery store then that same person buys softdrinks sa store nya, the owner refuses to sell anything to the buyer, all becoz the buyer bought something at the other grocery store.

Dapat sa PBA store ka lang bibili becoz it is only the ones that sells shit

 

[live_evil2]

talked to a lawyer friend, the draft dodger rule can easily be contested in court because it actually bans all male Filipino citizens who have graduated from college which doesn't make sense. And who gets to judge who should be banned? A super basketball player in the mountains of Sulu since that person is not famous if he applies for the draft way after his graduation will not get the ban since he is not famous. The classification is obviously arbitrary and no way conforms to laws that make sense. The draft dodger rule is simply put, unconstitutional.

I am proposing that everyone here collectively files a suit against the PBA because we are all banned and have had our employment options curtailed by being all draft dodgers. haha

 

[CoJ2]

talked to a lawyer friend, the draft dodger rule can easily be contested in court because it actually bans all male Filipino citizens who have graduated from college which doesn't make sense. And who gets to judge who should be banned? A super basketball player in the mountains of Sulu since that person is not famous if he applies for the draft way after his graduation will not get the ban since he is not famous. The classification is obviously arbitrary and no way conforms to laws that make sense. The draft dodger rule is simply put, unconstitutional.

I am proposing that everyone here collectively files a suit against the PBA because we are all banned and have had our employment options curtailed by being all draft dodgers. haha

the draft dodger rule doesnt even apply to fil-foreign players jusko

they really need to unionize, but players from the empire are too content with their perks, bonuses and retirement packages

 

[JAMSKIE2]

talked to a lawyer friend, the draft dodger rule can easily be contested in court because it actually bans all male Filipino citizens who have graduated from college which doesn't make sense. And who gets to judge who should be banned? A super basketball player in the mountains of Sulu since that person is not famous if he applies for the draft way after his graduation will not get the ban since he is not famous. The classification is obviously arbitrary and no way conforms to laws that make sense. The draft dodger rule is simply put, unconstitutional.

I am proposing that everyone here collectively files a suit against the PBA because we are all banned and have had our employment options curtailed by being all draft dodgers. haha

Here's another thing, what if the reason of a certain player for "delaying" his entry to the PBA is that he wants to play for the national team - something which he might not be able to do if he is already in the PBA?

How can one be "punished" for his desire of serving the country? Is this the price of being patriotic & wanting to help Philippine basketball - lifetime ban from playing in the PBA?

I wonder if PBA people even bothered to consult a lawyer about the "Constitutionality" (or lack of it) of this shitty anti-dodging law?

 

[cocoyg2]

We don't want the PBA to die or disappear. We want it to evolve.

It's weird that the PBA Board seems resistant to change. If you work for one of their companies, the management always encourages "change".

 

[JuanBreezy2]

E bakit nun si Junemar na pwedeng pwede na magpa draft sa PBA e naglaro sa ABL at walang lumitaw na draft dodger rule? Hehehe.

 

[IPC2]

PBA would die naturally let's just wait for it, the so called superstars of the league right now are getting older while our younger generations of player are getting smarter and starting to realize that PBA sucks and baduy. sort of more of a millenial thing lol playing abroad is way more cooler than playing locally. it is like idolizing BTS now than parokya ni edgar, rivermaya etc. ��

Hey, I prefer Pinoy rock (90s to mid-2000s; E-heads, Rivermaya, Introvoys, Neocolours) to K-pop. It's better listening, honestly, and I personally think it's better. Shame we couldn't get that international recognition in music then.

As for the PBA, yeah, while I root for my team, and it's entertainment, the system sucks. Only a few teams invest in player development. Then the rules curtailing our players from going international. Then the stupid scheduling interfering with the international tournament schedule, starting from the Narvasa period, ultimately resulting in two drubbings from SoKor and the relatively poor 2017 FIBA Asia Cup performance, not to mention the 2019 WC fiasco.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

@ IPC

If Thirdy Ravena decides to play for the B-league next season, does that make him a violator of the anti-dodging rule?

 

[IPC2]

@ IPC

If Thirdy Ravena decides to play for the B-league next season, does that make him a violator of the anti-dodging rule?

Yeah, I think that does. He's already skipped two drafts. So if he wants to file a case if he wants to apply for the draft but is barred, he has the personality to do so.

Of course, that would be a moot point if the PBA somehow responds positively to his letter.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Yeah, I think that does. He's already skipped two drafts. So if he wants to file a case if he wants to apply for the draft but is barred, he has the personality to do so.

Of course, that would be a moot point if the PBA somehow responds positively to his letter.

Ah Ok.

That letter thing somewhat makes me mad. Thirdy Ravena has to sort of ask PBA's consent or clearance that he will play pro basketball in Japan. This to think that Thirdy isn't part of the PBA yet. Pero obligado syang magpaalam sa PBA. This gives us the impression na parang may feeling of "ownership" ang PBA for every Pinoy amateur player that is eligible to play in the PBA.

Wow! Only in the Philippines!

 

[CoJ2]

PBA would die naturally let's just wait for it, the so called superstars of the league right now are getting older while our younger generations of player are getting smarter and starting to realize that PBA sucks and baduy. sort of more of a millenial thing lol playing abroad is way more cooler than playing locally. it is like idolizing BTS now than parokya ni edgar, rivermaya etc. ��

i want to agree with you but KPOP and BTS, eww hahaha, their fanbase is more toxic and jeje than PBA fans

edit: not all pba fans ah!

Ely, Raymund,Buddy and Marcus parin