Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[thatweirdguy2]

Are you saying the PBA is a glorified version of the MPBL? well i think Duremdez the commish won't disagree.. sometimes it's better to be a big fish in a small pond.

Haha. I meant the NCAA. The UAAP is snatching up all the talents and they're banning foreigners. SMH. Kaya they'll never catch up to the UAAP.

The MPBL is a league that's full of has beens and scrubs. And they imposed a height limit for Fil-foreigners. Who enjoys watching a game dominated by short old players?

 

[Silent Killer2]

Haha. I meant the NCAA. The UAAP is snatching up all the talents and they're banning foreigners. SMH. Kaya they'll never catch up to the UAAP.

The MPBL is a league that's full of has beens and scrubs. And they imposed a height limit for Fil-foreigners. Who enjoys watching a game dominated by short old players?

only those who bets on free throws, miss wide open lay ups and play james harden type lazy defense

 

[zairex2]

Here is one measure : how many players in the league have : Div 1, Euro league, G- league and NBA experience.

And what is the % of the season and the games that players with that expereince above play? ( if it is just 25 % - 6' 9 import conference only then that's indeed an indicator of the normal and average level

Many globally will be of the opinion that criteria above is a very good indicator to use.

In that category, we are ahead of Korea and Iran. Because of our Fil-Fors. Of course if you include Imports, then CBA and B. League is ahead of us.

 

[DAdmiral2]

In that category, we are ahead of Korea and Iran. Because of our Fil-Fors. Of course if you include Imports, then CBA and B. League is ahead of us.

All participants in the regular competition including foreign players (imports) make up the level of competition. I'm not famillar with Korea and iran.. Aren't Korean imports (2 ? ) not div 1 players or other major league? and if so, does each PBA team in most of it's games , which is all Fiilipiono have 2 div 1 players each per team ?

 

[zairex2]

Division 2 team. Besides, I only count the official EASL and Champions' Cup matches.

Rizing Zephyr Fukuoka were D1 at the time they were beaten by Blackwater.

Asian League is the former name of EASL.

 

[PaulLee32]

In hindsight it's better to have no power tripping moderator in this forum. PEX really turned me off. You have an out of shape manlet who's abusing his power in the main nba forum. You cannot even replied to his own posts. He still need to approved it. And the sad part was he was talking to his alternate account made it seemed that he was supporting him in his stupid posts.

 

[Rodbi2]

It's East Asia Super League. The Middle East is in West Asia. Would be nice if we had an Asia League, like the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League in football.

As for our inclusion in the EASL, and the potential inclusion of Indonesia, we're in Southeast Asia, I guess?

I think it's feasible for FIBA Asia to come up with a continental club championships with a similar format to AFC Champions' League. Due to Asia's vastness, the latter currently employs an east-west regional tournament, with the winners of each region duke it out for the overall Asian club championship. That said winning club could then be pitted against the other continental zone winners for Europe, Americas, Oceania and Africa - if FIBA will just organize.

And with the EASL's initiative and commitment to future expansions, i wont be surprised if it influences WABA and does the same in the near future.

 

[k3ttch2]

While in pba not allowing blatche to play because he's not under 6'10.. not allowing foreign coach to run a team because it will clash with Filipino coaches in their jobs and that f**ki*g height restrictions to imports...

In fairness, the KBL used to have import height restrictions, but scrapped them in 2019.

 

[DAdmiral2]

The fact that this is even debatable should tell u something, no one argues if US NCAA is as good as the NBA lol

 

[carmelo72]

Assuming you're referring to me? But answer is No , but neither am I raised in the Philippines. It gives u an idea why I may have strong feelings on identity and it's association to entncity.
Understand this in many societies, it is actually offensive to ask a "minority "where are they from?

Yeah sounds really personal to you no wonder

 

[ja.he2]

That's why don't ever tell uaap is higher competition than the pba.. PBA still the highest competition that we can get here in the Philippines.. yes, PBA now is running by idiots but we can't deny top talents are still in the pba.. can Kobe Paras or Dwight Ramos can hold on 1v1 vs ray parks? Can Ricci and jgdl can match up vs pringle? Aside from ateneo eh other uaap schools can match up by NCAA schools likes of San beda and letran, even best cesafi teams can match up on them.. do you think tab Baldwin is better coach than Tim cone? Nevertheless, I want to see a head to head coaching battle between balwin vs likes of chot, cyg and ctc.. or even Norman black..

You lost me when you put Tab-Cone discussion. Outside the bronze-medal finish in Asian Games and the gold-medal finish in the SEA Games, all the accolades of Tim Cone are in the PBA.

Tab:

5x NBL champion
4x NBL COY
2x Halberg Awards COY
3x UAAP champion
1 Gold FIBA-Oceania
2 Silvers FIBA-Oceania
2 Silvers FIBA-Asia
1 Gold FIBA-Asia Stankovic Cup
1 Gold SEA Games

Tim:

23x PBA champion
4x PBA COY
2x Grand Slam
1 Bronze Asian Games
1 Gold SEA Games

While Tim is the best coach in the Philippines, Tab is a veteran international campaigner.

 

[DAdmiral2]

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Well some other people aside from me think Ateneo can potentially beat PBA teams , so it's actually a real discussion.
In fact they have in practice games , regardless if u say Tnt was not full strength or trying ..

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

You lost me when you put Tab-Cone discussion. Outside the bronze-medal finish in Asian Games and the gold-medal finish in the SEA Games, all the accolades of Tim Cone are in the PBA.

Tab:

5x NBL champion
4x NBL COY
2x Halberg Awards COY
3x UAAP champion
1 Gold FIBA-Oceania
2 Silvers FIBA-Oceania
2 Silvers FIBA-Asia
1 Gold FIBA-Asia Stankovic Cup
1 Gold SEA Games

Tim:

23x PBA champion
4x PBA COY
2x Grand Slam
1 Bronze Asian Games
1 Gold SEA Games

While Tim is the best coach in the Philippines, Tab is a veteran international campaigner.

Yup.

If GInebra and Ateneo will have a Best of 7 Series. I am pretty sure Ginebra will win 4-1 or 4-2.

But does this mean Coach Tim is a better Coach than Coach Tab? I dont think so.

Hmmm. I will say Coach Tim is a better pba coach while coach tab is a better fiba coach. So the rules that will be used is important.

Nonetheless, even if I am a Ginebra Fan, I will say Coach tab is slightly above Coach Cone in Coaching.

 

[neo2]

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Well some other people aside from me think Ateneo can potentially beat PBA teams , so it's actually a real discussion.
In fact they have in practice games , regardless if u say Tnt was not full strength or trying ..

of course ateneo can. they have shown that they can even beat team b and team a- of taiwan in a regular tournament on their homecourt.

but ateneo is not uaap. put d 8 uaap teams with their 2021 roster vs d 12 2021 pba teams in a single-round robin bubble tournament, the probability that 7 pba teams will make the 8-team quarterfinals will probably be higher than the probability of having less.

 

[hmbopbaduwap2]

Teams can now practice in NCR

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-teams-practice-metro-manila-gcq-a795-20210513


There might not be a need for PBA teams to go south or even north with Ilocos Norte also offered to serve as host for the league’s practice sessions under a bubble set-up following the reclassification of NCR+.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

of course ateneo can. they have shown that they can even beat team b and team a- of taiwan in a regular tournament on their homecourt.

but ateneo is not uaap. put d 8 uaap teams with their 2021 roster vs d 12 2021 pba teams in a single-round robin bubble tournament, the probability that 7 pba teams will make the 8-team quarterfinals will probably be higher than the probability of having less.

Ateneo, La Salle, UP. The other teams have no chance IMO. Ateneo won against Adelaide too di ba?

Cone is the best coach in the PBA but he only won bronze in the Asian games in a less competitive era with what is considered to be the NT lineup. And he had a really strong pro team with homecourt advantage in the Sea games.. come on even sinag has a bigger handicap. I'm gonna be honest I don't feel confident he's even better than Chot in international ball. In the PBA sure

 

[DAdmiral2]

Any way my premise was this , if most UAAP team recruited a foreigner like Kouame 6' 10 and added 2 or 3 Div 1 one and done locals, then yes i think it is possible the level or the average UAAP team can be more competitive than the average PBA All Filipino team. of course it is a big "If" premise.

The reason for mentioning all of this , is perhaps the PBA should revisit their eligibility and import rules to improve the level of competition. to keep up with other leagues in Asia and globally.

 

[DAdmiral2]

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Don't forget I'm referring to talent level , not which team will win head to head. And based on that if i had to choose only one team in the Philippine , pro or amateur to form a team to represent us in 2023 WC . i would pick Ateneo.
And BTW the context of the discussion in answering, which are the top leagues in Asia or world, (includes full time imports of course ) , the fact a college team is even in the discussion as being competitive vs pro teams from the same country , speaks volumes of the lack of level of the PBA , that is the premise and context of the discussion. not who is the best team in the Philippines.

 

[DAdmiral2]

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We're not determining who is top tier talent , or who can make an impact in the PBA (star etc) , and no one said world class. and PBA isn't/

I simply said if i had to pick one program where players will come from for the 2023 (not now) , my opinion is Ateneo. here are the players from Tab's Ateneo team i would consider , if it was limited to one team only

Kouame, Go
Navarro, Lopez
Dwight , Koon
Thirdy, Dave
Matt, SJ , just fill in the gaps with the rest

it's chemistry not talent alone , that we're banking on here.


Why are u taking s about PBA players playing overseas? of course they can., the only topic here is where is the level of the PBA compared to other leagues , of course where not talking about locals only , and of course the imports in other leagues increases the level of the normal regular competion ( not just import conference lang) , and sinagot naman ng mga iba that in terms of the PBA league level for regular games. they are behind the Asian leagues that use multiple imports all the time. we're not comparing who are better locals here. that is why the UAAP becomes competitive , kasi kasama import to improve the level..

 

[Money2]

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We're not determining who is top tier talent , or who can make an impact in the PBA (star etc) , and no one said world class. and PBA isn't/

I simply said if i had to pick one program where players will come from for the 2023 (not now) , my opinion is Ateneo. here are the players from Tab's Ateneo team i would consider , if it was limited to one team only

Kouame, Go
Navarro, Lopez
Dwight , Koon
Thirdy, Dave
Matt, SJ , just fill in the gaps with the rest

it's chemistry not talent alone , that we're banking on here.


Why are u taking s about PBA players playing overseas? of course they can., the only topic here is where is the level of the PBA compared to other leagues , of course where not talking about locals only , and of course the imports in other leagues increases the level of the normal regular competion ( not just import conference lang) , and sinagot naman ng mga iba that in terms of the PBA league level for regular games. they are behind the Asian leagues that use multiple imports all the time. we're not comparing who are better locals here. that is why the UAAP becomes competitive , kasi kasama import to improve the level..

Really intrigued by the Koon guy. But i have to agree with you. Ateneo's chemistry is top notch combined with Tab's system.