Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[Labradoodle2]

Okay, show me the peer-reviewed studies about the genuine Pinoy-pride, please

Also, please let me know thr clinical/scientific process on how to deternine "genuine Pinoy pride". Does it need a seal of approval from the president or the senate to be "genuine"?

 

[neo2]

Okay, show me the peer-reviewed studies about the genuine Pinoy-pride, please

Also, please let me know thr clinical/scientific process on how to deternine "genuine Pinoy pride". Does it need a seal of approval from the president or the senate to be "genuine"?

i did not say anything about a study on genuine pinoy pride. i said i had done work on certain social psychological topics, so i am familar with d Filipino mindset as examined within d lens of Philippine psychology. and even then, i do not generalize. that's too positivistic. and in your way of thinking, positivistic without empirical basis.

d fact that you are talking about clinical or scientific as concepts suggest you have limited knowledge about Philippine or Filipino psychology. So stop generalizing about Filipino mindsets if you are not a professional on d matter.

 

[hmbopbaduwap2]

https://twitter.com/erosvillanueva_/status/1392332998628888578?s=19

Eros Villanueva
@erosvillanueva_
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Thirdy Ravena has sent a letter to the PBA explaining his contract status with San-En NeoPhoenix in the Japanese B.League.

Commissioner Willie Marcial clarified that at the moment, there’s no issue with Ravena staying in Japan. |
@OneSportsPHL

 

[allmight2]

Thirdy naman is friendly with Marcial so this is not the problem. The problem is the gesture of the pba. Waiting fir a letter like they’re the biggest league in Asia.

 

[Labradoodle2]

i did not say anything about a study on genuine pinoy pride. i said i had done work on certain social psychological topics, so i am familar with d Filipino mindset as examined within d lens of Philippine psychology. and even then, i do not generalize. that's too positivistic. and in your way of thinking, positivistic without empirical basis.

d fact that you are talking about clinical or scientific as concepts suggest you have limited knowledge about Philippine or Filipino psychology. So stop generalizing about Filipino mindsets if you are not a professional on d matter.

Please let me see your empirical analysis in what consititues a "genuine Pinoy pride". How do you determine a genuine Pinoy pride from what isn't? You must have some empirical data to even be able to even say "some of it are genuine". What makes a pinoy pride "genuine"? Isn't this what you were implying earlier? You said you studied social psychology that is why you can say some it are "genuine Pinoy pride". What are your criterias to determine what is genuine Pinoy pride and what is not?

I would love to see your empirical data on what constitutes "genuine Pinoy pride" and the criterias used to determine what is "genuine" and what is not.

 

[neo2]

Please let me see your empirical analysis in what consititues a "genuine Pinoy pride". How do you determine a genuine Pinoy pride from what isn't? You must have some empirical data to even be able to even say "some of it are genuine". What makes a pinoy pride "genuine"? Isn't this what you were implying earlier? You said you studied social psychology that is why you can say some it are "genuine Pinoy pride". What are your criterias to determine what is genuine Pinoy pride and what is not?

I would love to see your empirical data on what constitutes "genuine Pinoy pride" and the criterias used to determine what is "genuine" and what is not.

first, philippine psychology is not grounded on Western's concepts of what is scientific and empirical. Just google Philippine and Filipino psychology and you will understand. Google also the idea of emic perspective on research and you will understand.

Moving on to d concept, so if someone says, i feel proud. That is pride. and you cannot question that. that is an emic experience. and that can be genuine pride for some. genuine pride is not the concept. Pride is. genuine is a characterization, just an adjective. One operationalization can be "if it is not genuine, it is not pride at all." But the thing is, one says so, that he experiences pride, who are we to judge that it is not a valid thought or feeling? And that is why in Philiippine psychology, an experience does need to be a reality for all, for it be a reality as the very subjectivity of an experience makes it a reality. and that is why the methodologies used in Philippine psychology are interviews, story-telling, FGD, etc. It is not about testing and experimentation. You can easily google pubiished studies on national pride and d likes.

that is why words like "some" matters. Because even d experience of 1 person matters. That is the data.

On the other hand, it was your statement which implicitly made a judgment that none of that is genuine pride, but just external validation. As it seems that you are an advocate of positivism and empiricism, then you should be d one to provide empirical evidence on an opinion that you seem to be generalizing to all Filipinos' experience of pride.

 

[CoJ2]

first, philippine psychology is not grounded on Western's concepts of what is scientific and empirical. Just google Philippine and Filipino psychology and you will understand. Google also the idea of emic perspective on research and you will understand.

Moving on to d concept, so if someone says, i feel proud. That is pride. and you cannot question that. that is an emic experience. and that can be genuine pride for some. genuine pride is not the concept. Pride is. genuine is a characterization, just an adjective. One operationalization can be "if it is not genuine, it is not pride at all." But the thing is, one says so, that he experiences pride, who are we to judge that it is not a valid thought or feeling? And that is why in Philiippine psychology, an experience does need to be a reality for all, for it be a reality as the very subjectivity of an experience makes it a reality. and that is why the methodologies used in Philippine psychology are interviews, story-telling, FGD, etc. It is not about testing and experimentation. You can easily google pubiished studies on national pride and d likes.

that is why words like "some" matters. Because even d experience of 1 person matters. That is the data.

On the other hand, it was your statement which implicitly made a judgment that none of that is genuine pride, but just external validation. As it seems that you are an advocate of positivism and empiricism, then you should be d one to provide empirical evidence on an opinion that you seem to be generalizing to all Filipinos' experience of pride.

hmm let me guess, you're a proponent of pantayong pananaw/Post modern/post colonial thought?

 

[DAdmiral2]

^^
Thanks for info , I'm learning more about the Philippine perspective, it gives me further insight on why some western concepts are not fully understood. It's seems a definitive metric or definition of things isn't what matters , especially for the general public, but feelings towards things. "Like Pinoy yun , may dugo" or hindi asian yun but African

 

[ja.he2]

Thirdy naman is friendly with Marcial so this is not the problem. The problem is the gesture of the pba. Waiting fir a letter like they’re the biggest league in Asia.

Yeah, as if PBA is a top 3 league in Asia-Pacific. Haha

I mean, come on, CBA, KBL, ISL, LBL, ANBL, and BLG are better leagues than PBA - both in salary and competition. Even NZ NBL, even though they pay relatively lower than PBA, that (NBL) still has a better level of competition than PBA.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Yeah, as if PBA is a top 3 league in Asia-Pacific. Haha

I mean, come on, CBA, KBL, ISL, LBL, ANBL, and BLG are better leagues than PBA - both in salary and competition. Even NZ NBL, even though they pay relatively lower than PBA, that (NBL) still has a better level of competition than PBA.

they will brag about being the “first pro league in asia”

 

[ja.he2]

they will brag about being the “first pro league in asia”

Asia's first pay-to-play league but pays lower compare to CBA, KBL and BLG. Haha

People in the PBA have inflated egos.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Asia's first pay-to-play league but pays lower compare to CBA, KBL and BLG. Haha

People in the PBA have inflated egos.

In fairness the under the table salary is probably competitive especially with bonuses. Untaxed pa dahil under the table hahaha.

 

[ja.he2]

In fairness the under the table salary is probably competitive especially with bonuses. Untaxed pa dahil under the table hahaha.

Well, I don't know true how is this, but if indeed true, then why Thirdy should enter into the PBA when BLG is clearly paying him well?

Minimum Rookie Salary in Japan B.League = $147,000 a year or $12,250 a month. At P50/dollar, equivalent to P612,500 a month.

PBA
Rookie maximum salary = P200,000 a month.
Veteran maximum salary= P420,000 a month plus won game/awards bonuses.
Practice player= at least P30,000 a month.

MPBL (Amateur league)
Player's allowance= Minimum P15,000 to P50,000 maximum.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2850727181807877&id=2251044738442794

 

[carmelo72]

^^
Thanks for info , I'm learning more about the Philippine perspective, it gives me further insight on why some western concepts are not fully understood. It's seems a definitive metric or definition of things isn't what matters , especially for the general public, but feelings towards things. "Like Pinoy yun , may dugo" or hindi asian yun but African

born & raised in NZ Analyzed?

 

[Sikatrix2]

Well, I don't know true how is this, but if indeed true, then why Thirdy should enter into the PBA when BLG is clearly paying him well?

Minimum Rookie Salary in Japan B.League = $147,000 a year or $12,250 a month. At P50/dollar, equivalent to P612,500 a month.

PBA
Rookie maximum salary = P200,000 a month.
Veteran maximum salary= P420,000 a month plus won game/awards bonuses.
Practice player= at least P30,000 a month.

MPBL (Amateur league)
Player's allowance= Minimum P15,000 to P50,000 maximum.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2850727181807877&id=2251044738442794

Well those are the published max deals. The unpublished ones well hahaha. But I agree that Thirdy should get the money in the B League. I have more doubts about the level of competition and not the salaries. There is a risk that Thirdy ends up in a team that isnt game to pay him under the table extras.

 

[ja.he2]

Well those are the published max deals. The unpublished ones well hahaha. But I agree that Thirdy should get the money in the B League. I have more doubts about the level of competition and not the salaries. There is a risk that Thirdy ends up in a team that isnt game to pay him under the table extras.

P612,000/a month is way higher than the max rookie salary in PBA. Even higher than the max for veterans in PBA. Take note, this just a MINIMUM ROOKIE contract. Thirdy is no longer a rookie in BLG next season. He might have received more and I believe, even with under the table bonuses, BLG's salary is way higher.

Per level of competition, BLG is good naman. Thirdy is always against the opposing teams' 2 or 3 position players, who are usually imports or national team mainstays. So Thirdy's ability to defend will always be tested here.

 

[Sikatrix2]

P612,000/a month is way higher than the max rookie salary in PBA. Even higher than the max for veterans in PBA. Take note, this just a MINIMUM ROOKIE contract. Thirdy is no longer a rookie in BLG next season. He might have received more and I believe, even with under the table bonuses, BLG's salary is way higher.

Per level of competition, BLG is good naman. Thirdy is always against the opposing teams' 2 or 3 position players, who are usually imports or national team mainstays. So Thirdy's ability to defend will always be tested here.

You honestly believe that veterans get just the max and only bonuses are under the table?

Based on this Snow tweet for example plus some math, June Mar's salary is actually 1.5M per month

https://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/1184695096991567873

 

[CoJ2]

P612,000/a month is way higher than the max rookie salary in PBA. Even higher than the max for veterans in PBA. Take note, this just a MINIMUM ROOKIE contract. Thirdy is no longer a rookie in BLG next season. He might have received more and I believe, even with under the table bonuses, BLG's salary is way higher.

Per level of competition, BLG is good naman. Thirdy is always against the opposing teams' 2 or 3 position players, who are usually imports or national team mainstays. So Thirdy's ability to defend will always be tested here.

i think the superstars could get a competitive offer from the empires, not to mention financial stability, whereas, a superstar could earn larger in a yearly basis but until when?

nevertheless, the PBA should be the final option for the Kais and Thirdys of the world

 

[DAdmiral2]

born & raised in NZ Analyzed?

Assuming you're referring to me? But answer is No , but neither am I raised in the Philippines. It gives u an idea why I may have strong feelings on identity and it's association to entncity.
Understand this in many societies, it is actually offensive to ask a "minority "where are they from?

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Pba Logic:

Kai, AJ, Remy, Tuffin, Thirdy, Panopio will need to write a letter to pba if they "dodge" the draft.

LMAO.

AS A FILIPINO, THIS IS A SHAME. HAHAHAH