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thatweirdguy2
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They gave up less for Jaymar who's probably a top 5 player right now.. if the rumors are correct Arwind is probably going to retire at SMB
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They gave up less for Jaymar who's probably a top 5 player right now.. if the rumors are correct Arwind is probably going to retire at SMB
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Itachi Uchiha2
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TBH I don' think TNT, the other empire's premiere team can really compete with SMB or Ginebra talent wise. They might make it to the finals but they're too top heavy and shallow to win. The top 4 teams in the PBA might be SMB, Ginebra, Magnolia and TNT in that order. Ah but yes beyond the 2 empires the other teams are just saling pusa.
I don't think Magnolia is stronger than TNT (at least on papers). Adding Calvin Abueva won't make them on the same level as the elite team like SMB. TNT is almost on the same level as SMB, maybe stronger if not because of Fajardo. Ginebra is not as strong as what many fans believed, the real reason why they keep on winning is because of one man called Tim Cone. TNT is stronger than Ginebra on paper, the former has the most talented player in almost every position (except for the Center). Jayson Castro, RR Pogoy, Ray Parks, Troy Rosario, JP Eram are stronger compared to LA Tenorio, Stanley Pringle, Scotie Thompson, JDV, Japeth Aguilar. Expect a different TNT team now under Coach Chot Reyes. Im not a TNT fan BTW.
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IPC2
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One other thing: it does not help the teams build up their fanbase. The problem with the PBA now is that there is no sense of attachment/belonging to teams. This is in contrast to the UAAP/NCAA, where each team's fanbase is derived from the students/alumni of each school, or the MPBL, where the fanbase is created from the residents of the town/city that the team represents. The PBA used to have this to an extent, through the fanbase of the players themselves (ex. you're a fan of Ginebra because of Jawo, you're a fan of Purefoods because of Patrimonio, etc), but this disappeared when even supposed staple players are being easily traded to other teams. See: James Yap, RDO, LA Tenorio, etc.
Agree. There is barely any concept of franchise players. The last franchise player to retire with the team he was a franchise player of was Jayjay Helterbrand. Other than him, I don't see any examples of a franchise player retiring with the team that drafted him (after years of continuous service), or with the team whose core he was a big part of.
It's disrespectful to the service of the franchise players, actually.
As a Ginebra fan, I don't want to see Caguioa traded. Same with Scottie. They're franchise players, and they deserve to retire with Ginebra.
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IPC2
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I don't think Magnolia is stronger than TNT (at least on papers). Adding Calvin Abueva won't make them on the same level as the elite team like SMB. TNT is almost on the same level as SMB, maybe stronger if not because of Fajardo. Ginebra is not as strong as what many fans believed, the real reason why they keep on winning is because of one man called Tim Cone. TNT is stronger than Ginebra on paper, the former has the most talented player in almost every position (except for the Center). Jayson Castro, RR Pogoy, Ray Parks, Troy Rosario, JP Eram are stronger compared to LA Tenorio, Stanley Pringle, Scotie Thompson, JDV, Japeth Aguilar. Expect a different TNT team now under Coach Chot Reyes. Im not a TNT fan BTW.
It's not just Cone. Ginebra had a far deeper team than TNT. TNT's shallow bench, along with the maximum effort required of the players, led to Parks and Castro going down. Ginebra also had less health issues with their rotation players. Cone said it himself, Ginebra won because they stayed healthy. Plus, Ginebra played better as a team than TNT, regardless of the edge in talent that TNT had (mostly because of Cone).
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CoJ2
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So if Greg Slaughter & Jerick Balanza go to Northport, Greg would then be headed to SMB, right? Makes me wonder who would SMB give up for Slaughter. A 40-year old Arwind Santos plus either a Zamar or a Gamalinda?
Greg, Mo and Junmar in the same team? if indeed Greg goes to SMB, Junmar is probably still injured and wont be back for a long time
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lurklurk2
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I think some of tnt’s lack of depth last season can be traced to both dickel and the team being newly created. Dickel spent the entire elims to build chemistry and establish roles for his core players (enciso pogoy parks rosario erram castro) and only involved his bench hevily during the playoffs. A bench of montalbo, reyes, washington, semerad (and castro) shouldve been enough depth but i think lack of preparation prior to the conference kept dickel from ironing out roles outside of his core 6.
Chot i believe is better at this, and addition of marcelo and kobuntin should help as well.
Chot i believe is better at this, and addition of marcelo and kobuntin should help as well.
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greenarcher2
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If GS goes to SMB it only means we have already seen the last of Junemar Fajardo.
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CoJ2
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https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/...t-expansion-unrealistic-a791-20210302-fbfirst
But the bad news is, multiple sources told SPIN.ph that the league board is not keen on expansion. The matter, in fact, has never been considered or discussed at length during Willie Marcial's time as commissioner.
A major reason for the board's reluctance, an insider bared, is the lack of success of Terrafirma and Blackwater.
Blackwater and Terrafirma should just disband and sell their franchise, i hope the 3 interested parties would not turn their franchise to farm teams
But the bad news is, multiple sources told SPIN.ph that the league board is not keen on expansion. The matter, in fact, has never been considered or discussed at length during Willie Marcial's time as commissioner.
A major reason for the board's reluctance, an insider bared, is the lack of success of Terrafirma and Blackwater.
Blackwater and Terrafirma should just disband and sell their franchise, i hope the 3 interested parties would not turn their franchise to farm teams
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lurklurk2
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I wonder how tim cone will adjust once he gets a cstan-japet frontcourt. Will he use the same sets from the gs-japet lineups? How will pringle et al adjust with the spacing? Will he convert japeth into a fulltime stretch big?
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mathematicianrcg2
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I wonder how tim cone will adjust once he gets a cstan-japet frontcourt. Will he use the same sets from the gs-japet lineups? How will pringle et al adjust with the spacing? Will he convert japeth into a fulltime stretch big?
https://youtu.be/2-nmspMEeCY
This is a short video of glimpse of ginebra's triangle.
They still need one Post Player. TO BE THE POST PLAYMAKER.
Then the other 4 will do all the movements, Screen the screener, cuts, etc to be available for the pass from The Post Playmaker.
Usually, They use JDV for that Role. Now maybe Cstand will play that role. Japeth is not a good post playnaker e, he is a better cutter and receiver.
I don't think there is a problem of adjustment. Japeth have good range in the Perimeter also.
Anyway, Coach tim hybrid triangle will solve that
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mathematicianrcg2
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https://youtu.be/2-nmspMEeCY
This is a short video of glimpse of ginebra's triangle.
They still need one Post Player. TO BE THE POST PLAYMAKER.
Then the other 4 will do all the movements, Screen the screener, cuts, etc to be available for the pass from The Post Playmaker.
Usually, They use JDV for that Role. Now maybe Cstand will play that role. Japeth is not a good post playnaker e, he is a better cutter and receiver.
I don't think there is a problem of adjustment. Japeth have good range in the Perimeter also.
Anyway, Coach tim hybrid triangle will solve that
https://youtu.be/_t20GcigWLU
Additionally, this is another video of modern triangle.
Buti pa Coach tim willing to adapt. He is the pba winniest coach, still willing to learn.
UNLIKE SOME OTHER LOCAL PURE FILIPINO COACHES.
They still play triangle but with more spacing
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lurklurk2
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https://youtu.be/2-nmspMEeCY
This is a short video of glimpse of ginebra's triangle.
They still need one Post Player. TO BE THE POST PLAYMAKER.
Then the other 4 will do all the movements, Screen the screener, cuts, etc to be available for the pass from The Post Playmaker.
Usually, They use JDV for that Role. Now maybe Cstand will play that role. Japeth is not a good post playnaker e, he is a better cutter and receiver.
I don't think there is a problem of adjustment. Japeth have good range in the Perimeter also.
Anyway, Coach tim hybrid triangle will solve that
That video is about how the triangle was originally ran, not how CTC runs the triangle with ginebra recently. They converted the offense recently to look more like a 4-out 1-in offense with the two weakside players relocating to the perimeter. Obviously cstan will be the better option as the apex of the triangle (what you called as the post playmaker) as he will he their best postplayer. Hence, im wondering how CTC will fit japeth here. if he will use their old sets with GS, japeth will either be in the pinchpost (weakside post) or ducking in the dunkers spot for drop passes. If he will use the more recent sets, we’ll see a more perimeter oriented japeth. Of course it Could easily be a mix of the two, but personally im curious to see a more perimeter oriented japeth. Wala lang, curiosity mainly but to be honest i think japeth can do it.
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mathematicianrcg2
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That video is about how the triangle was originally ran, not how CTC runs the triangle with ginebra recently. They converted the offense recently to look more like a 4-out 1-in offense with the two weakside players relocating to the perimeter. Obviously cstan will be the better option as the apex of the triangle (what you called as the post playmaker) as he will he their best postplayer. Hence, im wondering how CTC will fit japeth here. if he will use their old sets with GS, japeth will either be in the pinchpost (weakside post) or ducking in the dunkers spot for drop passes. If he will use the more recent sets, we’ll see a more perimeter oriented japeth. Of course it Could easily be a mix of the two, but personally im curious to see a more perimeter oriented japeth. Wala lang, curiosity mainly but to be honest i think japeth can do it.
https://youtu.be/ymA4gTwH2xw
New video
I think this is the most updated video of Ginbras triangle recently.
Yeah. Let us see, maybe coach tim develop another play for them.
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lurklurk2
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https://youtu.be/ymA4gTwH2xw
New video
I think this is the most updated video of Ginbras triangle recently.
Yeah. Let us see, maybe coach tim develop another play for them.
Yep, this is what i was talking about. Notice the weakside post is gone, and relocated to the opposite corner three. I Wonder if japeth can play that position. He’s got a decent stroke. Nice if he can utilize that more frequently.
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JAMSKIE2
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https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/...-unrealistic-a791-20210302?ref=feed_1_section
A major reason for the board's reluctance, an insider bared, is the lack of success of Terrafirma and Blackwater.
What? Lack of success? How can Terrafirma & Blackwater become successful eh they just serve as farm teams of two giant groups? Terrafirma & Blackwater have not been successful in the PBA becoz they aren't meant to succeed. They are meant to suck so that they will always get the blue-chip rookies which they will eventually supply to their respective benefactors. Between the two, I think Terrafirma is the worse bitch. Kung sa puta, yung Blackwater sa isang lalaki lang nagpapabayad at pumapatol, samantalang yung Terrafirma, kung sa sino-sinong lalaki pumapatol, minsan kahit orgy pumapayag for as long as the price is right.
Its obvious naman that SMC is strongly against the idea of either PBA team expansion or team buyout. SMC would even dread a team buyout by interested business group wanting to join the PBA becoz if SMC's bitch Terrafirma is bought by someone else (the Sy group or the Tan group for instance), wala nang farm team ang SMC sa PBA. No more lopsided trades. And you can bet it would just be a matter of time before these new would be PBA teams are going to get stronger & very competitive becoz they have the money & the willingness to be competitive - something that both Terrafirma & Blackwater don't have.
Sasabihin ng PBA, "We are apprehensive about team expansion becoz as with our experience with Terrafirma & Blackwater, expansion teams had difficulty getting competitive". Its a huge BS. Who are they fooling? Paano magiging competitive ang Terrafirma or BW eh it is by design that they shouldn't get competitive becoz someone else is benefitting for their lack of competitiveness? SMC definitely would move heaven & earth to retain the bitchy Terrafirma team in the PBA.
Warriors would always want to have hot bitches going with them during a war. And Terrafirma is the hottest bitch that is always available for SMC. Alsawan
A major reason for the board's reluctance, an insider bared, is the lack of success of Terrafirma and Blackwater.
What? Lack of success? How can Terrafirma & Blackwater become successful eh they just serve as farm teams of two giant groups? Terrafirma & Blackwater have not been successful in the PBA becoz they aren't meant to succeed. They are meant to suck so that they will always get the blue-chip rookies which they will eventually supply to their respective benefactors. Between the two, I think Terrafirma is the worse bitch. Kung sa puta, yung Blackwater sa isang lalaki lang nagpapabayad at pumapatol, samantalang yung Terrafirma, kung sa sino-sinong lalaki pumapatol, minsan kahit orgy pumapayag for as long as the price is right.
Its obvious naman that SMC is strongly against the idea of either PBA team expansion or team buyout. SMC would even dread a team buyout by interested business group wanting to join the PBA becoz if SMC's bitch Terrafirma is bought by someone else (the Sy group or the Tan group for instance), wala nang farm team ang SMC sa PBA. No more lopsided trades. And you can bet it would just be a matter of time before these new would be PBA teams are going to get stronger & very competitive becoz they have the money & the willingness to be competitive - something that both Terrafirma & Blackwater don't have.
Sasabihin ng PBA, "We are apprehensive about team expansion becoz as with our experience with Terrafirma & Blackwater, expansion teams had difficulty getting competitive". Its a huge BS. Who are they fooling? Paano magiging competitive ang Terrafirma or BW eh it is by design that they shouldn't get competitive becoz someone else is benefitting for their lack of competitiveness? SMC definitely would move heaven & earth to retain the bitchy Terrafirma team in the PBA.
Warriors would always want to have hot bitches going with them during a war. And Terrafirma is the hottest bitch that is always available for SMC. Alsawan
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mathematicianrcg2
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https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/...-unrealistic-a791-20210302?ref=feed_1_section
A major reason for the board's reluctance, an insider bared, is the lack of success of Terrafirma and Blackwater.
What? Lack of success? How can Terrafirma & Blackwater become successful eh they just serve as farm teams of two giant groups? Terrafirma & Blackwater have not been successful in the PBA becoz they aren't meant to succeed. They are meant to suck so that they will always get the blue-chip rookies which they will eventually supply to their respective benefactors. Between the two, I think Terrafirma is the worse bitch. Kung sa puta, yung Blackwater sa isang lalaki lang nagpapabayad at pumapatol, samantalang yung Terrafirma, kung sa sino-sinong lalaki pumapatol, minsan kahit orgy pumapayag for as long as the price is right.
Its obvious naman that SMC is strongly against the idea of either PBA team expansion or team buyout. SMC would even dread a team buyout by interested business group wanting to join the PBA becoz if SMC's bitch Terrafirma is bought by someone else (the Sy group or the Tan group for instance), wala na silang farm team sa PBA. No more lopsided trades. And you can bet it would just be a matter of time before these new would be PBA teams are going to get stronger & very competitive becoz they have the money & the willingness to be competitive - something that both Terrafirma & Blackwater don't have.
Sasabihin ng PBA, "We are apprehensive about team expansion becoz as with our experience with Terrafirma & Blackwater, expansion teams had difficulty getting competitive". Its a huge BS. Who are they fooling? Paano magiging competitive ang Terrafirma or BW eh it is by design that they shouldn't get competitive becoz someone else is benefitting for their lack of competitiveness? SMC definitely would move heaven & earth to retain the bitchy Terrafirma team in the PBA.
Warriors would always want to have hot bitches going with them during a war. And Terrafirma is the hottest bitch that is always available for SMC. Alsawan
I feel your pain and frustration bro.
Thats the reality e. Pba is business.
And as you said SMC and MVP controls pba
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JAMSKIE2
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If there are companies interested in joining the PBA, then Terrafirma & Blackwater should sell their franchises. Isn't Blackwater hinting that it wants to pull out in the PBA? Now if Terrafirma still wants to stay in the PBA becoz it still wants to remain as SMC's "alsawan", then it should be forced to sell its franchise.
Terrafirma & Blackwater's existence in the PBA is a mockery in Phi basketball.
Terrafirma & Blackwater's existence in the PBA is a mockery in Phi basketball.
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mathematicianrcg2
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If there are companies interested in joining the PBA, then Terrafirma & Blackwater should sell their franchises. Isn't Blackwater hinting that it wants to pull out in the PBA? Now if Terrafirma still wants to stay in the PBA becoz it still wants to remain as SMC's "alsawan", then it should be forced to sell its franchise.
Terrafirma & Blackwater's existence in the PBA is a mockery in Phi basketball.
I agree.
But how will it be forced???? They are not violating any rules.
Trades are even approved by pba itself.
If there will be a rule that " A lottery pba team must be competitive after 4-5 years" then maybe it will work.
But we all know it will not happen.
SMC controls Pba
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IPC2
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If there are companies interested in joining the PBA, then Terrafirma & Blackwater should sell their franchises. Isn't Blackwater hinting that it wants to pull out in the PBA? Now if Terrafirma still wants to stay in the PBA becoz it still wants to remain as SMC's "alsawan", then it should be forced to sell its franchise.
Terrafirma & Blackwater's existence in the PBA is a mockery in Phi basketball.
The PBA really should issue an ultimatum. A playoff appearance in the next season, and/or a semis appearance in the season after that. Fail in either of these, then the PBA should force them to either fold or sell their team.
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IPC2
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In addition, I think the PBA should use a point system, as used in FIBA, and be empowered to dock points for any team misconduct. For example, lopsided trades. If they're lopsided, the PBA should dock points from all teams involved.
Thing is, hindi na nga nire-revise ang mga trade, so how do you expect points to be docked?
Thing is, hindi na nga nire-revise ang mga trade, so how do you expect points to be docked?