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Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

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It is really maddening, the state of basketball here in the philippines. And alot of people are disgusted with the mentality of the people running both the PBA, NCAA and the idiots of BCAP. Tab was so RIGHT when he said that basketball here in the philippines is INSULAR.

I won't back down with my sentiment in that the PBA is a dying league. Even the few die hard fans it still has are already seeing the light, with how the league is really being ran. I'm really glad that the promising young athletes are starting to understand that there are other options for them overseas. I really believe if the PBA wants to stay relevant in the next few years, it has to reinvent itself:

Go regional ala the old MBA format with corporations raffling which city or province they would sponsor. This is really the first main thing they can do if they want to bring back the thousands of fans. Nothing else brings substance to sports than when fans have a sense of pride for the team they are patronizing. Just look at football in other countries, or even the NBA itself, which the PBA tries to imitate. Let's be honest how many REAL fans do teams named Globalport, Meralco, Colombian etcetera really have? The PBA is kidding itsslf when it says it is still a beloved league. If Japan's B league can go regional so can the PBA.

Have only 2 conferences. An all filipino cup and an Import conference where imports are of unlimited height and they can also get one asian import.

Anyone can add on to these suggestions, but I truly believe these are the 2 MAJOR changes the PBA needs to do to reinvent itself to win back the fans and gain new fans also. This will also rebuild the league's image as a TRUE national league.
 
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geohunk said:
It is really maddening, the state of basketball here in the philippines. And alot of people are disgusted with the mentality of the people running both the PBA, NCAA and the idiots of BCAP. Tab was so RIGHT when he said that basketball here in the philippines is INSULAR.

I won't back down with my sentiment in that the PBA is a dying league. Even the few die hard fans it still has are already seeing the light, with how the league is really being ran. I'm really glad that the promising young athletes are starting to understand that there are other options for them overseas. I really believe if the PBA wants to stay relevant in the next few years, it has to reinvent itself:

Go regional ala the old MBA format with corporations raffling which city or province they would sponsor. This is really the first main thing they can do if they want to bring back the thousands of fans. Nothing brings substance to sports than when fans have a sense pride for the team they are patronizing. Let's be honest how many REAL fans do teams named Globalport, Meralco, Colombian etcetera really have? The PBA is kidding itsslf when it says it is still a beloved league. If Japan's B league can go regional so can the PBA.

Have only 2 conferences. An all filipino cup and an Import conference where imports are of unlimited height and they can also get one asian import.

Anyone can add on to these suggestions, but I truly believe these are the 2 MAJOR changes the PBA needs to do to reinvent itself to win back the fans and gain new fans also. This will also rebuild the league's image as a TRUE national league.
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I was wondering maybe one of the problems here is how we set up teams. Teams here are directly owned by big companies like MVP, SMC among others.

Teams abroad like in Spain and in NBA are entities in itself distinct and separate from their sponsors. Also, the ownership of those teams are multi-ownership akin into a corporation where there are majority and minority stakeholders.

Their stakes are transferable also. Their ownership ceases not the whole organization/sportsclub.

How can we set up this model of sportsclub? One way is to create a non-stock charitable (or more proper sports) corporation.

Imagine a team registered as such.
 
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...-with-fallout-from-controversy-a2244-20200626

you have to love the semantics when the headlines referenced "removal" and "taken out" to announce the dismissal.

Tab Baldwin was fired. Plain and simple.
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A TNT executive effusively explained that letting go of Baldwin was planned long before the pandemic swept across the Philippines and suspended all manner of sporting activity.

Yeah, right.
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Look, this termination wasn't a coincidence. It was a consequence.
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Now that TNT has "abandoned ship" as one prominent sportswriter in Manila told me yesterday, you have to wonder if Baldwin's gigs at SBP and Ateneo are next to fall.
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Did Coach Tab sleep with this guy's mom? This guy made a hit-piece based on 1 theory and went to all kinds of conclusions.

Technically, MVP can't fire Baldwin at Ateneo, but the lovable tycoon can turn off the faucet that flows with generous, unlimited resources for the Blue Eagles program.

Without that sustenance, the endless supply of player talent will probably dry up, The title runs will cease and Baldwin then becomes expendable.
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Even attempting to discredit Tab's stretch of championships in the UAAP by using the "endless supply of player talent" card. What's even more saddening is this opinion is probably shared by other people in the basketball industry. Big reason why the local scene has always been backwards and non-innovative.

Makes me think this guy is either in Chua's pocketbook or trying to get into it.
 
lurklurk said:
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...-with-fallout-from-controversy-a2244-20200626









Did Coach Tab sleep with this guy's mom? This guy made a hit-piece based on 1 theory and went to all kinds of conclusions.



Even attempting to discredit Tab's stretch of championships in the UAAP by using the "endless supply of player talent" card. What's even more saddening is this opinion is probably shared by other people in the basketball industry. Big reason why the local scene has always been backwards and non-innovative.

Makes me think this guy is either in Chua's pocketbook or trying to get into it.
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Never ever give that guy Homer Sayzon clicks to his articles. Super negative, pessimistic and a know-it all dumb$hit. I usually fall for his headline articles before but sa super dami na opinion based niya lang, it was just full of his BS like his ugly face. Even on the east west zoom interview with Kai Sotto where he was invited as well, akala mo kung sinong mas angat sa mga co interviewers kung umasta at magtanong.

Again IBNers, please remember the BS name"Homer Sayzon". Please never click on his articles in SPIN.
 
lurklurk said:
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...-with-fallout-from-controversy-a2244-20200626









Did Coach Tab sleep with this guy's mom? This guy made a hit-piece based on 1 theory and went to all kinds of conclusions.



Even attempting to discredit Tab's stretch of championships in the UAAP by using the "endless supply of player talent" card. What's even more saddening is this opinion is probably shared by other people in the basketball industry. Big reason why the local scene has always been backwards and non-innovative.

Makes me think this guy is either in Chua's pocketbook or trying to get into it.
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dont waste your time and energy on homer sayson. any article is better than anything written by homer sayson. might as well read showbiz news.lol.
 
DenzelGreat8 said:
Never ever give that guy Homer Sayzon clicks to his articles. Super negative, pessimistic and a know-it all dumb$hit. I usually fall for his headline articles before but sa super dami na opinion based niya lang, it was just full of his BS like his ugly face. Even on the east west zoom interview with Kai Sotto where he was invited as well, akala mo kung sinong mas angat sa mga co interviewers kung umasta at magtanong.

Again IBNers, please remember the BS name"Homer Sayzon". Please never click on his articles in SPIN.
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spin even recycles their articles because of clicks. without any sport events they dont have anything to write about. they are breathing on thin air right now. they do away with clickbaits nowadays.
 
"Protecting the spirit of the draft". From league leaders with no soul.

lol. Or better yet, 'LUL.

AHAHAHAHA!
 
mathematicianrcg said:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=123239152773032&id=101055031658111

At nagpaliwanag na nga.lol.

Trans: Marcial explained hia terrible reason. Lol
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I'm calling Marcial's and the PBA's bullsh!t on this one. Sorry Marcial but that's a lame excuse. Rather than penalizing a player because he is excercising his right to look for better opportunities, why don't you and the PBA board look at the mirror and fix the real bigger problems hounding your dying league?? You blame players skipping a draft for a couple of years to wait for their fave team to pick them? LOL! Maybe dear commissioner if you address the "tanking" allegations and purported game fixing and lopsided trades between sister teams and the open secret about "farm" teams, maybe if you fix those issues first then maybe the PBA would regain its relevance again and more importantly its trust from the fans!
 
geohunk said:
I'm calling Marcial's and the PBA's bullsh!t on this one. Sorry Marcial but that's a lame excuse. Rather than penalizing a player because he is excercising his right to look for better opportunities, why don't you and the PBA board look at the mirror and fix the real bigger problems hounding your dying league?? You blame players skipping a draft for a couple of years to wait for their fave team to pick them? LOL! Maybe dear commissioner if you address the "tanking" allegations and purported game fixing and lopsided trades between sister teams and the open secret about "farm" teams, maybe if you fix those issues first then maybe the PBA would regain its relevance again and more importantly its trust from the fans!
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been saying this for a while. that lame excuse for a rule is just a band aid solution. the commisioner should address the real problem, which is the tanking and the farm teams, instead of penalizing the players. even that rule regarding sister teams needing another team if they are going to trade players between them is a BS rule. it's very easy to circumvent, which should be obvious to everyone by now. how about making and enforcing real policies, PBA?
 
So Enzo Flojo suggested that ‘Green Room Drafters’ aka Projected First round picks should get drafted regardless if they apply for the draft or not. Teams will just draft their playing rights. Which I think is the right thing to do. The only risk is thAt they will eventually draft a player who would never play in the PBA. May it be Thirdy or Kai or Edu or Clarkson.

In the NBA. A international player gets signed up for the draft regardless once they turn 23 and also becomes a free agent.

Also PBA said they made this rule cause of what Parks did. They expected him to apply for the draft as early as 2013-2014. Cant they understand that Parks was actually trying out for the NBA? Nothing wrong with 3 years in ABL too. More off season time for him to go back every now and then to the US.
 
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Junemar played in the ABL just long enough to dodge being drafted by the Powerade Tigers.
 
NOiNU said:
Junemar played in the ABL just long enough to dodge being drafted by the Powerade Tigers.
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More like in 2012, when SMB got Air21's first round pick, Fajardo waited until after the lottery if the Beermen would land the top overall pick (against Alaska). With SMB winning the draw, Fajardo applied for the draft.

Which was what I wrote back then. I don't understand how the league that time, changed their rules by having the deadline for the draft application come in AFTER the lottery. Before that, the deadline came before the lottery.

Given the circumstances that the league is worrying about today (applicants worried they may land on a team they do not desire to play for), the logic is to have the deadline come in before anyone finds out who will own the top pick. Of course, that's all moot and academic as the PBA dropped the lottery (after the Chito Salud "salamangero" (magician) move in the 2014 rookie draft) and went back to its old practice of handing out the top pick to the worst performing team.

One approach that can help the PBA avoid applicants from dodging the draft is a return to the lottery system among the two lowest performing teams of the previous season and schedule the draft deadline before the said lottery. It's not a comprehensive solution of course, especially if those contending in the lottery would be teams like Dyip and Blackwater (perceived to be the franchises rookies are avoiding like the plague). But at least, an applicant may take his chances especially if one of the teams aiming for the top pick would be an SMC or MVP team.

Going back to 2012, had Alaska won the lottery, would Fajardo join the draft? The sure answer is that he won't as his handlers would ensure that he continues playing in the ABL for him to gain income while wait for the right opportunity when an SMC team would get the top pick. Looking back, the season after saw Greg Slaughter and Ian Sangalang collaring the top two slots - Slaughter joining Ginebra while Sangalang suiting up for Purefoods.

That would have been a major "what if" in PBA history as Fajardo is expected to go #1, Slaughter at #2, and Yeng Guiao of ROS, who always wanted Sangalang, would have gone to the E-Painters.
 
To fix the draft.

1. Deadline before the lottery.

2. Adopt Nba draft lottery system. The 4 lowest seed have equal chance of getting the first pick(20%), then the 8th(10%), 7th and 6th (5%each)

Like this,

Chance for no.1 overall pick

12th- 20%
11th-20%
10th-20%
9th-20%
8th-10%
7th-5%
6th-5%

3. First round draft/draftees cannot be traded for three seasons.

4. Players Can play overseas but the team that drafted him remains the rights on him

5. In short, ADOPT nba system!!!!
 
Jay P. Mercado said:
More like in 2012, when SMB got Air21's first round pick, Fajardo waited until after the lottery if the Beermen would land the top overall pick (against Alaska). With SMB winning the draw, Fajardo applied for the draft.

Which was what I wrote back then. I don't understand how the league that time, changed their rules by having the deadline for the draft application come in AFTER the lottery. Before that, the deadline came before the lottery.

Given the circumstances that the league is worrying about today (applicants worried they may land on a team they do not desire to play for), the logic is to have the deadline come in before anyone finds out who will own the top pick. Of course, that's all moot and academic as the PBA dropped the lottery (after the Chito Salud "salamangero" (magician) move in the 2014 rookie draft) and went back to its old practice of handing out the top pick to the worst performing team.

One approach that can help the PBA avoid applicants from dodging the draft is a return to the lottery system among the two lowest performing teams of the previous season and schedule the draft deadline before the said lottery. It's not a comprehensive solution of course, especially if those contending in the lottery would be teams like Dyip and Blackwater (perceived to be the franchises rookies are avoiding like the plague). But at least, an applicant may take his chances especially if one of the teams aiming for the top pick would be an SMC or MVP team.

Going back to 2012, had Alaska won the lottery, would Fajardo join the draft? The sure answer is that he won't as his handlers would ensure that he continues playing in the ABL for him to gain income while wait for the right opportunity when an SMC team would get the top pick. Looking back, the season after saw Greg Slaughter and Ian Sangalang collaring the top two slots - Slaughter joining Ginebra while Sangalang suiting up for Purefoods.

That would have been a major "what if" in PBA history as Fajardo is expected to go #1, Slaughter at #2, and Yeng Guiao of ROS, who always wanted Sangalang, would have gone to the E-Painters.
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In short this just re-enforces the notion that the PBA is a tainted league, and this is more of a reason why it is losing its popularity year after year.
 
geohunk said:
In short this just re-enforces the notion that the PBA is a tainted league, and this is more of a reason why it is losing its popularity year after year.
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Well, maybe the PBA is losing its popularity as years go by, but I think there are still a lot of solid fans/followers of the PBA that serve as the lifeblood of league. Majority of those are the fans of the most popular team in the PBA (a team that manufactures gin). As I've pointed out, majority of PBA fans belong to the class C, D & E (in terms of mental capacity). Those fans hardly understand/fathom what is or had been going on inside the PBA (things like what sir JPM had explained in his most recent post). In short, majority of PBA fans don't know the real score. So for as long as their favorite teams are winning in the PBA, they won't bother about what is happening behind the scenes. Well, I don't think Ginebra or San Miguel fans would care about the irregularities happening behind the scenes. The thing is, Ginebra & San Miguel fans benefit from the irregularities happening behind the scenes in the PBA.
 
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