Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[thatweirdguy2]

If you are rationalizing this trade with previously done trades and basing it on a SMC vs MVP point of view that is a retarded way of evaluating this trade. All these trades including this shouldnt have been approved, all of them are lopsided and ruins the PBA's balance. Do not make that pathetic excuse of oh because SMC did this trade that its okay for MVP to make this one. If that dumb ass Marcial approves this trade it just further shows how much of a joke the commissioner is and the PBA as a whole.

But if he doesn't then they will view him as favouring only the other camp.

 

[sajubeads2]

If you are rationalizing this trade with previously done trades and basing it on a SMC vs MVP point of view that is a retarded way of evaluating this trade. All these trades including this shouldnt have been approved, all of them are lopsided and ruins the PBA's balance. Do not make that pathetic excuse of oh because SMC did this trade that its okay for MVP to make this one. If that dumb ass Marcial approves this trade it just further shows how much of a joke the commissioner is and the PBA as a whole.

Well PBA is business, who will prevent the team owners to sell their players to willing buyers... Even in Soccer they do that, yun nga lang in Soccer the transfer fee is transparent... In aperfect world, yes the all those trades should have been nixed, pero remember its not only pkayers that have been exchanged, there are Cash involved in this trade... Sa UAAP nga, transfer of Abando was peg between 3-5 M sa PBA pa kaya... Ganun talaga kasi sa buhay, there are those who are rich market teams there are those who are Low market teams.. Now its up to team to find innovative ways to still compete... Although I dont agree with the direction Blackwater is taking, some teams trade their star players to revamp and rebuild but not your draft picks and young players.. Unless if Blackwater is on the way out and selling their franchise to Chooks to Go.. M

 

[unstopaball122]

Well PBA is business, who will prevent the team owners to sell their players to willing buyers... Even in Soccer they do that, yun nga lang in Soccer the transfer fee is transparent... In aperfect world, yes the all those trades should have been nixed, pero remember its not only pkayers that have been exchanged, there are Cash involved in this trade... Sa UAAP nga, transfer of Abando was peg between 3-5 M sa PBA pa kaya... Ganun talaga kasi sa buhay, there are those who are rich market teams there are those who are Low market teams.. Now its up to team to find innovative ways to still compete... Although I dont agree with the direction Blackwater is taking, some teams trade their star players to revamp and rebuild but not your draft picks and young players.. Unless if Blackwater is on the way out and selling their franchise to Chooks to Go.. M

But what I don't get is, if blackwater is going to sell the team, don't you want the team to be on a positive note? You start with a core of BRP, Belo and Di gregorio and go from there.

Unless, the team has made more money from trading those players.

Speaking of chooks to go, if they make it to the Olympics via 3x3, I think that is more media mileage than entering the pba. Especially if they get a crappy roster to begin with

 

[sajubeads2]

But what I don't get is, if blackwater is going to sell the team, don't you want the team to be on a positive note? You start with a core of BRP, Belo and Di gregorio and go from there.

Unless, the team has made more money from trading those players.

Speaking of chooks to go, if they make it to the Olympics via 3x3, I think that is more media mileage than entering the pba. Especially if they get a crappy roster to begin with

Well Blackwater was selling its players as part of the trade. Erram trade was said to be worth 25M transfer fee while Parks goes by the tune of 35M...Dont know how much the Di Gregorio transfer fee..

 

[sajubeads2]

How about the Alaska? I think they are starting to become a farm team in near future.. giving your best player in banchero for bunch of benchwarmers in brondial and Herndon that their combined average is nothing of half of stats of banchero.. how much transfer fee of this banchero moving to magnolia.. expect also Vic Manuel to be traded after this conference.. also for bunch of benchwarmers and unproven players..

Alaska could be on the way out also, exasperated with how SMC and MVP manipulating the balance in the PBA.... Besides, ALASKA just want to unload Banchero who has asked for a trade since the start of the season..

 

[reamily2]

Well Blackwater was selling its players as part of the trade. Erram trade was said to be worth 25M transfer fee while Parks goes by the tune of 35M...Dont know how much the Di Gregorio transfer fee..

unli data lang siguro sa sy's immediate family hehe

 

[el scorcho2]

You guys are over rating Trollano and Semerad too much, there is a reason these guys are bench players. Trollano and Semerad combined isnt even half the value of a Bobby Ray Parks who is on a level of a franchise player. And even though TNT are sending 2 1st rd picks what value does this actually have since they wouldnt be no where near the bottom hence these draft pick would probably range from 10 and below which doesnt necessarily translate to players that could really help them out. Now if you replace Trollano with Pogoy and reduce the draft pick to be traded to one now that is equal value

They'll trade Pogoy to BW, and when BW exits, they'll send him to Meralco.

 

[kristoffer0192]

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[Jay P. Mercado2]

If you are rationalizing this trade with previously done trades and basing it on a SMC vs MVP point of view that is a retarded way of evaluating this trade. All these trades including this shouldnt have been approved, all of them are lopsided and ruins the PBA's balance. Do not make that pathetic excuse of oh because SMC did this trade that its okay for MVP to make this one. If that dumb ass Marcial approves this trade it just further shows how much of a joke the commissioner is and the PBA as a whole.

And that's where the problem lies. Trade values are intangible which is why there are statistics that helps in measuring the performance of a player. And it's the PBA Commissioner's office that assesses the player values. When they made their first trade decision, they valued a benched Jericho Cruz of ROS going to TNT as worthy of two first round picks - abominable it may sound. But we welcomed it, primarily because it gives the lower-marketed teams better leverage. From that decision alone, we had a glimpse of how the PBA determines the value of a player and how they respond accordingly to a trade transaction.

It became a mess when they applied double standards with their decisions. Jeff Chan, who was doing well with Phoenix, was worth one first round pick from Ginebra. It may appear to be a sensible decision but if you compare that with the Cruz transaction, you can't understand where they're coming from. Then the Pringle trade equivalent to 3 bench players. But then, you have Maliksi and Jose being shipped to Meralco for Canaleta, Tolomia and two second round picks, and suddenly, there's leverage again.

It's confusing because there's no defining standard set. If you actually look at it, Bobby Ray Parks is the equivalent of Stanley Pringle in terms of stats and value to a team. Hence, if you assess him based on how the Pringle trade was made, Trollano, Semerad and a second round pick would suffice. But no, TNT is probably wary about a possible disapproval which was why they threw in two first round picks instead of a second rounder.

A straight up Parks-Pogoy trade is acceptable actually...

 

[el scorcho2]

And that's where the problem lies. Trade values are intangible which is why there are statistics that helps in measuring the performance of a player. And it's the PBA Commissioner's office that assesses the player values. When they made their first trade decision, they valued a benched Jericho Cruz of ROS going to TNT as worthy of two first round picks - abominable it may sound. But we welcomed it, primarily because it gives the lower-marketed teams better leverage. From that decision alone, we had a glimpse of how the PBA determines the value of a player and how they respond accordingly to a trade transaction.

It became a mess when they applied double standards with their decisions. Jeff Chan, who was doing well with Phoenix, was worth one first round pick from Ginebra. It may appear to be a sensible decision but if you compare that with the Cruz transaction, you can't understand where they're coming from. Then the Pringle trade equivalent to 3 bench players. But then, you have Maliksi and Jose being shipped to Meralco for Canaleta, Tolomia and two second round picks, and suddenly, there's leverage again.

It's confusing because there's no defining standard set. If you actually look at it, Bobby Ray Parks is the equivalent of Stanley Pringle in terms of stats and value to a team. Hence, if you assess him based on how the Pringle trade was made, Trollano, Semerad and a second round pick would suffice. But no, TNT is probably wary about a possible disapproval which was why they threw in two first round picks instead of a second rounder.

A straight up Parks-Pogoy trade is acceptable actually...

Have to disagree with you.

Great as Pogoy's achievements are, Parks will be a much better player than Pogoy would ever be.

If you're looking at ceiling, TNT still needs two first rounders with Pogoy, or throw in Trollano.

 

[el scorcho2]

But if he doesn't then they will view him as favouring only the other camp.

I think they're trying to even it out.
Look at the Tautuaa trade. They let MVP get a first overall pick.

So they needed to let SMC get theirs.
After that, they said "O ayan, meron na kayo pareho, now let's stop this BS"

If they let TNT get Parks, then SMC would ask for their own--Perez or Bolick.

Then there will be louder outrage (coz that's the way it is with SMC)--and the PBA will finally take action.

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

Have to disagree with you.

Great as Pogoy's achievements are, Parks will be a much better player than Pogoy would ever be.

If you're looking at ceiling, TNT still needs two first rounders with Pogoy, or throw in Trollano.

That's where the subjective part comes in...

You're theorizing that Parks has the greater upside when no one really knows. An injury here and there, a wrong coach in a wrong team, etc. - this cannot be used as a determinant in assessing player values.

If it's age, both are at the cusp of reaching their career peaks - Pogoy at 27 and Parks at 26. Not much of a difference.

Player efficiency is a stat that can be used. Analytics will also determine how both have defended. What we know is that both are two way players - one is better at scoring from outside while the other is better at penetrating.

The primary determinant is their present value. Stats-wise, Parks is averaging 20.11, 5.0 and 3.56 in 38 minutes. Pogoy is averaging 21.25, 5.13 and 2 in 41 mins. Almost similar contributions. Parks is playing for a weaker team with less local and import talent than Pogoy. Parks plays 1, 2 and 3, Pogoy at 2 and 3 - and that's an attribute to the quality of their teams.

At the same time, I'm not equally comfortable with speculating how high the draft picks are. 2019 yes, because two conferences and half are over and we all know TNT would probably be drafting 10th to 12th next season. But 2021 is way too far to know how TNT would perform - just mere speculation. The one sure thing is that is that a first round pick means anywhere from 1 to 12, a second round pick is from 13 to 24. And that's just too wide a difference....

 

[carmelo72]

That's where the subjective part comes in...

You're theorizing that Parks has the greater upside when no one really knows. An injury here and there, a wrong coach in a wrong team, etc. - this cannot be used as a determinant in assessing player values.

If it's age, both are at the cusp of reaching their career peaks - Pogoy at 27 and Parks at 26. Not much of a difference.

Player efficiency is a stat that can be used. Analytics will also determine how both have defended. What we know is that both are two way players - one is better at scoring from outside while the other is better at penetrating.

The primary determinant is their present value. Stats-wise, Parks is averaging 20.11, 5.0 and 3.56 in 38 minutes. Pogoy is averaging 21.25, 5.13 and 2 in 41 mins. Almost similar contributions. Parks is playing for a weaker team with less local and import talent than Pogoy. Parks plays 1, 2 and 3, Pogoy at 2 and 3 - and that's an attribute to the quality of their teams.

At the same time, I'm not equally comfortable with speculating how high the draft picks are. 2019 yes, because two conferences and half are over and we all know TNT would probably be drafting 10th to 12th next season. But 2021 is way too far to know how TNT would perform - just mere speculation. The one sure thing is that is that a first round pick means anywhere from 1 to 12, a second round pick is from 13 to 24. And that's just too wide a difference....

With a ton of money being mentioned as part of these trades will it be reasonable to assume that a percentage of that goes to the commissioner for approving lopsided deals?

 

[lbj_192]

How about the Alaska? I think they are starting to become a farm team in near future.. giving your best player in banchero for bunch of benchwarmers in brondial and Herndon that their combined average is nothing of half of stats of banchero.. how much transfer fee of this banchero moving to magnolia.. expect also Vic Manuel to be traded after this conference.. also for bunch of benchwarmers and unproven players..

I think Alaska is on the wya out as well. As per se this is Mr. Uytengsu’s team and not alaska corp anymore. Mr Uytengsu has sold almost all of his shares in Alaska to a foreign company thus making me assume the money he is using to run the team is Mr Uytengsu’s personal money or if not most of it. So I would assume the franchise is also on the selling block as well.

All in all, imho these lopsided trades is not only bad for the league’s image but also hinders the development of the players. Thus the big loser here is Philippine Basketball/Gilas as well. I mean lets take Zamar for example, he worked his butt off to improve only to find himself burning in SMBs bench. Same with Ganuelas Rosser. C Stan was also the same case, luckily for him he had the guts to ask for a trade unlike thr other players whose rotting in big companies teams. Players potential diminishes once you are burried in the bench.

 

[Silent Killer2]

From Twitter

PBA insider

Breakdown of recent trades:

Ray Parks for P35 million, Semerad, Trollano, 2 1st rd picks

Poy Erram for P25 million, Tratter, Desiderio

Mike DiGregorio for P10 million, Heruela

Allein Maliksi, Raymar Jose for Canaleta, Tolomia, 2 2nd rd picks

Banchero for Herndon, Brondial?!

 

[Jay P. Mercado2]

From Twitter

PBA insider

Breakdown of recent trades:

Ray Parks for P35 million, Semerad, Trollano, 2 1st rd picks

Poy Erram for P25 million, Tratter, Desiderio

Mike DiGregorio for P10 million, Heruela

Allein Maliksi, Raymar Jose for Canaleta, Tolomia, 2 2nd rd picks

Banchero for Herndon, Brondial?!

Curiously, no mention of the cash deals that went in the CS, Pringle, Arwind Santos, etc. arrangements...

 

[Silent Killer2]

from Twitter

PBA insider

Alaska allegedly also approached NorthPort regarding a Standhardinger trade. Won't happen. SMC didn't pay Columbian P50 Million just to let him play outside any of it's PBA teams.

 

[unstopaball122]

I think Alaska is on the wya out as well. As per se this is Mr. Uytengsu’s team and not alaska corp anymore. Mr Uytengsu has sold almost all of his shares in Alaska to a foreign company thus making me assume the money he is using to run the team is Mr Uytengsu’s personal money or if not most of it. So I would assume the franchise is also on the selling block as well.

All in all, imho these lopsided trades is not only bad for the league’s image but also hinders the development of the players. Thus the big loser here is Philippine Basketball/Gilas as well. I mean lets take Zamar for example, he worked his butt off to improve only to find himself burning in SMBs bench. Same with Ganuelas Rosser. C Stan was also the same case, luckily for him he had the guts to ask for a trade unlike thr other players whose rotting in big companies teams. Players potential diminishes once you are burried in the bench.

Well in the case ofnzamar, the "he made it" is he gets all the bonuses from the championships

 

[thatweirdguy2]

I think they're trying to even it out.
Look at the Tautuaa trade. They let MVP get a first overall pick.

So they needed to let SMC get theirs.
After that, they said "O ayan, meron na kayo pareho, now let's stop this BS"

If they let TNT get Parks, then SMC would ask for their own--Perez or Bolick.

Then there will be louder outrage (coz that's the way it is with SMC)--and the PBA will finally take action.

But the way I see it SMC usually gets it done without giving out much assets while MVP teams almost always give away a lot of valuable pieces. I wonder what moves will Magnolia pull off next. Maybe Jalalon really is on his way out. Don't want him playing next to Bolick TBH. I want him to be the main PG

 

[digitalsuperman2]

well well well

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/pba-approves-trade-sending-parks-tnt/168336

hope my tnt gets perez next.