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Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

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Phoenix's balance sheet is kinda stretched. Dennis Uy is trying to do too much too quickly. His principal has only 3 years left...

as far as i know, his investments so far have been turning out good profits specially the logistics business. which made his holdings company get a good valuation and thus he can get good loans from creditors for further investments in other areas as well.
 
i know you are against this administration but please keep politics away from this thread. in my opinion its not about the support of the government for Uy. its more about the change in policies in the next administration.

It's not politics...it's reality....Uy is this regime's biggest crony....

And I'm not bringing the political card in the discussion....the topic was on Uy, right? And why his figures are deceiving? And why it's going to be short-term only, especially if the next government won't be as cuddlesome to him...
 
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as far as i know, his investments so far have been turning out good profits specially the logistics business. which made his holdings company get a good valuation and thus he can get good loans from creditors for further investments in other areas as well.

https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/i...growing-business-empire-debt-year-opener-2019

From the article: "Rappler talked to 4 experts in finance and business and they all sounded the alarm: Uy’s balance sheet is not looking good."

"“Medyo tagilid (it doesn’t look good), a quick look at what it earned versus its liabilities and you can just say that it’s a very weak balance sheet,” a finance expert who requested anonymity said.

Another market observer was also wary of Udenna’s figures, especially during a period of rising interest rates.

"Uy and Udenna have a lot to prove and a lot of catching up to do, and the figures alone are telling that he may be spreading himself too thin," the source said.
Uy was able to acquire companies through bank loans.
Udenna's interest-bearing loans in 2017 reached P85.8 billion, a 200% jump year-on-year."

"An investment banker said that banks usually look at several indicators like the debt-to-equity ratio, which is computed by dividing the company's liabilities by its equities.
The ratio is used to gauge the extent to which a company is taking on debt as a means of leveraging its assets. A high ratio is often associated with high risk.
Udenna's debt-to-equity ratio in 2017 stood at 3.41:1.00, which, analysts said, was very high.
Big bank loans usually have a threshold of at most 2.30, while some allow up to 3.10.
Udenna has at least 3 loans that have breached the debt-to-equity limits of loan terms, yet they were still granted the funds due to their ability to pay off loans on time and good relationships with banks.
However, the investment banker said that these requirements are not really strictly enforced in practice.
"It's a gray area, and banks are betting on Uy. It helps that he's close with Duterte," the banker said."

"Rappler asked one businessman with the deepest pockets in the country whether he is worried about Uy's rise. He simply said, "yes and no." "Exciting. But we're keeping an eye on the red flags because they might affect us too," he said. "

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/08/01/1939495/udenna-loans-rise-p85-b-2018

"Udenna Corp., the fast-growing holding company of Davao-based businessman Dennis Uy, incurred interest bearing loans of P8.5 billion as of the end of 2018, higher than the P5.46 billion recorded in 2017.

However, current interest bearing loans alone declined to P993.9 million from P5.45 billion a year ago, while non- current interest-bearing loans grew to P7.59 billion from P2.4 million.

Of the total loans, Udenna has a P7.97 billion 10-year omnibus loans and security agreement with Sy-owned Banco de Oro with the interest rate ranging from 6.34 to 6.58 percent, according to a regulatory filing.


Read more at https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/08/01/1939495/udenna-loans-rise-p85-b-2018#3QW6xDJoayG9QlAd.99"

Remember, loans have to be repaid.
 
as far as i know, his investments so far have been turning out good profits specially the logistics business. which made his holdings company get a good valuation and thus he can get good loans from creditors for further investments in other areas as well.

Not true. His new businesses are struggling, especially in the logistics field. His venture into the food business (Conti's and maybe later, Wendy's) aren't expected to do well contrary to his expectations.

The reason why he gets loans? Creditors have no choice....
 
Not true. His new businesses are struggling, especially in the logistics field. His venture into the food business (Conti's and maybe later, Wendy's) aren't expected to do well contrary to his expectations.

The reason why he gets loans? Creditors have no choice....

as far as i know chelsea is doing okay. 2go is doing fine. not exceptional but okay. he has good assets. creditors have confidence he can turn profitable. he is a hardworking man.
 
as far as i know chelsea is doing okay. 2go is doing fine. not exceptional but okay. he has good assets. creditors have confidence he can turn profitable. he is a hardworking man.

Go check your sources...I belong to the logistics industry personally....

But you can insist on your speculated figures if that's what you want...
 
https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/i...growing-business-empire-debt-year-opener-2019

From the article: "Rappler talked to 4 experts in finance and business and they all sounded the alarm: Uy’s balance sheet is not looking good."

"“Medyo tagilid (it doesn’t look good), a quick look at what it earned versus its liabilities and you can just say that it’s a very weak balance sheet,” a finance expert who requested anonymity said.

Another market observer was also wary of Udenna’s figures, especially during a period of rising interest rates.

"Uy and Udenna have a lot to prove and a lot of catching up to do, and the figures alone are telling that he may be spreading himself too thin," the source said.
Uy was able to acquire companies through bank loans.
Udenna's interest-bearing loans in 2017 reached P85.8 billion, a 200% jump year-on-year."

"An investment banker said that banks usually look at several indicators like the debt-to-equity ratio, which is computed by dividing the company's liabilities by its equities.
The ratio is used to gauge the extent to which a company is taking on debt as a means of leveraging its assets. A high ratio is often associated with high risk.
Udenna's debt-to-equity ratio in 2017 stood at 3.41:1.00, which, analysts said, was very high.
Big bank loans usually have a threshold of at most 2.30, while some allow up to 3.10.
Udenna has at least 3 loans that have breached the debt-to-equity limits of loan terms, yet they were still granted the funds due to their ability to pay off loans on time and good relationships with banks.
However, the investment banker said that these requirements are not really strictly enforced in practice.
"It's a gray area, and banks are betting on Uy. It helps that he's close with Duterte," the banker said."

"Rappler asked one businessman with the deepest pockets in the country whether he is worried about Uy's rise. He simply said, "yes and no." "Exciting. But we're keeping an eye on the red flags because they might affect us too," he said. "

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/08/01/1939495/udenna-loans-rise-p85-b-2018

"Udenna Corp., the fast-growing holding company of Davao-based businessman Dennis Uy, incurred interest bearing loans of P8.5 billion as of the end of 2018, higher than the P5.46 billion recorded in 2017.

However, current interest bearing loans alone declined to P993.9 million from P5.45 billion a year ago, while non- current interest-bearing loans grew to P7.59 billion from P2.4 million.

Of the total loans, Udenna has a P7.97 billion 10-year omnibus loans and security agreement with Sy-owned Banco de Oro with the interest rate ranging from 6.34 to 6.58 percent, according to a regulatory filing.


Read more at https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/08/01/1939495/udenna-loans-rise-p85-b-2018#3QW6xDJoayG9QlAd.99"

Remember, loans have to be repaid.

i saw this one.

https://udenna.enderuncolleges.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/UDENNA-AR-Updated-09.07.18-1.pdf
 
Go check your sources...I belong to the logistics industry personally....

But you can insist on your speculated figures if that's what you want...

unless if you can show me actual figures then i would see. otherwise, i'll just see it as chismis.
 
unless if you can show me actual figures then i would see. otherwise, i'll just see it as chismis.

You're the one who's claiming they're doing well. My point was validated by the Rappler article above.

The burden of proof should come from you that they're doing well, not me, contrary to the Rappler article...
 
You're the one who's claiming they're doing well. My point was validated by the Rappler article above.

The burden of proof should come from you that they're doing well, not me, contrary to the Rappler article...

rapplers news item hardly have any figures around. just an interview from an individual which might have his own biases. just words nothing more to it. hardly believable. show me figures from a reliable source then i'll check.
 
rapplers news item hardly have any figures around. just an interview from an individual which might have his own biases. just words nothing more to it. hardly believable. show me figures from a reliable source then i'll check.

Ah well, if you cherrypick your sources, we'll never get anywhere...

You don't want to believe, no one's forcing you....that's your call, really, and I respect that. But please don't use your laziness to do research to ask someone for the figures just to prove or disprove you. That's yours to figure out.
 
Ah well, if you cherrypick your sources, we'll never get anywhere...

You don't want to believe, no one's forcing you....that's your call, really, and I respect that. But please don't use your laziness to do research to ask someone for the figures just to prove or disprove you. That's yours to figure out.

lol me lazy? backread tf. i already did my research. i posted the link. which rather prove your chismis. this is the problem. i asked for figures but you cant even provide any. just purse chismis.
 
lol me lazy? backread tf. i already did my research. i posted the link. which rather prove your chismis. this is the problem. i asked for figures but you cant even provide any. just purse chismis.

you posted a link from the Udenna website. That is self-serving lol. No company will post negative figures or information on their own website. Plus basic due diligence 101 means looking beyond the figures posted by the company.
 
you posted a link from the Udenna website. That is self-serving lol. No company will post negative figures or information on their own website. Plus basic due diligence 101 means looking beyond the figures posted by the company.

It's like getting facts from Mocha Uson... :)
 
you posted a link from the Udenna website. That is self-serving lol. No company will post negative figures or information on their own website. Plus basic due diligence 101 means looking beyond the figures posted by the company.

ok. post a link not from udenna website that has good figures.
 
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