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Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

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Jay P. Mercado said:
True...the proverbial "cash considerations" actually help in the cashflow statement of the company allowing the recipient to actually cover for their operating expenses.

Whether twisted or not, the logic used by some franchises in being part of the PBA is actually simple - marketing. Instead of paying millions of pesos to major networks, radio stations and top broadsheets to get the brand name out there, the PBA is a perfect vehicle for such. At least twice a week exposure on national television (which explains why the PBA Board requires a VHF network) for at least two hours a game or 4 hours a week, sports page headlines, your team (carrying the brand name) being talked about in the internet, on radio talk shows and elsewhere - all these give the brand name the needed exposure to make them "top of mind awareness." Convert the number of hours exposure and you'd be surprised that carrying a PBA team is way, way more economical than doing the traditional and non-traditional marketing approach.

Some team owners with less passion on the game look at the PBA more as a business. Others want to win because they're huge basketball fans and want to be known as a winner. Global Port's Mikee Romero is one of those bundled up in the latter group. If they can succeed in getting the brand exposure and win the title while maintaining a decent basketball operations budget (the Rain or Shine formula), this may be the best way to optimize resources. But since not all teams are as good as ROS, they end up offering their players for "cash considerations" to keep themselves from the red.
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What was true two decades ago is still true today. And that is, the PBA as a revenue stream for individual teams remains a pipe dream which may never become reality.

Failing that, team owners will do with their teams as they wish. They can go for the W, or they can chase the $. Or pursue both.

Whatever floats their boat. Or in this case, their advertising billboard.
 
Jay P. Mercado said:
True...the proverbial "cash considerations" actually help in the cashflow statement of the company allowing the recipient to actually cover for their operating expenses.

Whether twisted or not, the logic used by some franchises in being part of the PBA is actually simple - marketing. Instead of paying millions of pesos to major networks, radio stations and top broadsheets to get the brand name out there, the PBA is a perfect vehicle for such. At least twice a week exposure on national television (which explains why the PBA Board requires a VHF network) for at least two hours a game or 4 hours a week, sports page headlines, your team (carrying the brand name) being talked about in the internet, on radio talk shows and elsewhere - all these give the brand name the needed exposure to make them "top of mind awareness." Convert the number of hours exposure and you'd be surprised that carrying a PBA team is way, way more economical than doing the traditional and non-traditional marketing approach.

Some team owners with less passion on the game look at the PBA more as a business. Others want to win because they're huge basketball fans and want to be known as a winner. Global Port's Mikee Romero is one of those bundled up in the latter group. If they can succeed in getting the brand exposure and win the title while maintaining a decent basketball operations budget (the Rain or Shine formula), this may be the best way to optimize resources. But since not all teams are as good as ROS, they end up offering their players for "cash considerations" to keep themselves from the red.
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Yes and if fans really want to protest these kind of moves then we should stop calling them by their name since apparently they want us to discuss the anyway. From hereon out let's call BB SMC Bitch #1. Fair enough right?
 
Sounds good to me. Plus it has a better ring to it than "CT's One and Only Comeback Bitch".

AHAHAHAHA!
 
insulares said:
What was true two decades ago is still true today. And that is, the PBA as a revenue stream for individual teams remains a pipe dream which may never become reality.

Failing that, team owners will do with their teams as they wish. They can go for the W, or they can chase the $. Or pursue both.

Whatever floats their boat. Or in this case, their advertising billboard.
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It's a very small market pie that these teams would need to share. Which also explains why the Board is hesitant in bringing in new franchises as it would further cut their share of the pie. More teams mean less exposure, less games per week and less chances of making it to the playoffs. In the history of the PBA, the maximum number of teams ever to make a PBA roster is ten (10) so it's not unexpected that the Board feels that they've reached the optimum.

I understand PBA Commissioner Chito Salud is open to the idea of expanding the roster to 12. He's in for a tough time convincing the Board if this will work to the latter's advantage. They'll probably be open to the idea of making 12 teams SO LONG as the new teams will be owned by the present franchise holders. Meaning it would be more difficult for a new team like Phoenix Petroleum or Cebuana Lhuillier to join the PBA compared to NLEX / Maynilad or PAL.
 
Jay P. Mercado said:
It's a very small market pie that these teams would need to share. Which also explains why the Board is hesitant in bringing in new franchises as it would further cut their share of the pie. More teams mean less exposure, less games per week and less chances of making it to the playoffs. In the history of the PBA, the maximum number of teams ever to make a PBA roster is ten (10) so it's not unexpected that the Board feels that they've reached the optimum.

I understand PBA Commissioner Chito Salud is open to the idea of expanding the roster to 12. He's in for a tough time convincing the Board if this will work to the latter's advantage. They'll probably be open to the idea of making 12 teams SO LONG as the new teams will be owned by the present franchise holders. Meaning it would be more difficult for a new team like Phoenix Petroleum or Cebuana Lhuillier to join the PBA compared to NLEX / Maynilad or PAL.
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Jay, so do you think we'll see an expansion team anytime soon? Like in 2-3 years time, will we see the league grow?
 
The perception of Barako Energy being actually owned by the San Miguel Group is not without basis. Barako's distribution network is coursed through the same group that handles the distribution of San Miguel products. How much RSA has infused funding to the George Chua company, we don't know but there's no denying that they're involved.

Global Port's case is slightly different. Mikee Romero is the person in charge of basketball affairs but we all know that Harbour Center, the company of Romero, couldn't have survived had RSA not infused capital two years ago. The story here was that MVP was originally Romero's partner at Harbour Center. It was Romero who hired Yeng Guiao to coach Burger King, then a company owned by three businessmen - MVP, ADL (Bert Lina), and Romero. MVP pulled out of the Harbour Center deal when he opted to focus his resources on Meralco's majority shareholdership. Romero was left with the empty bag and went to RSA for help. RSA didn't hesitate in taking over MVP's place. Burger King, on the other hand, is now owned by Jollibee Foods Corporation although 40% ownership has been retained by MVP and ADL.

So while Romero appears to be the big boss of Global Port, he doesn't really have much control if RSA's basketball officers would want to "raid" GP's lineup. The only thing Romero can do is work out a deal where he won't end up at the losing end. Romero understands the game well enough to know which arrangement is favorable to him.

Air 21's case is different though. The company is fully-owned by ADL but they're not as liquid as the other companies. Air 21 utilizes the PBA as its marketing vehicle to bring in more business. When they make deals, it's not to "strengthen" the SMC or MVP teams. It's really more of a unique business arrangement where the Express are expected to gain more on the business end by giving up on some of their key players for less quality plus cash and maybe draft picks. They also get to bring down their opex by setting up arrangements where the salaries of the players they get from the richer teams (particularly SMC) are "subsidized." This philosophy isn't expected to change although the upside is that with Franz Pumaren around, he has more voice with roster decisions. Gary David was supposed to go to Air 21 during the conference break for Mike Cortez as Cortez's contract has just been renewed - meaning Ginebra isn't subsidizing his salary anymore. Moving Cortez out would mean disposing off his high salary and getting David in return would mean getting a player of relative quality but whose salary is "subsidized." This was shelved when Pumaren voiced out his preference to retain Cortez until the end of the season as Zach Graham and KG Canaleta (recently signed to the max contract) are already noted scorers and Pumaren would need someone to run the team's backcourt. Hence, if you look at it, Air 21 is actually the most independent of the three teams mentioned and is not in any way involved with any other group. It's just that their business decisions seemed to point to such, hence, creating the perception.

This was what happened to Red Bull before. When they gave up Enrico Villanueva, their cash flow got a boost because they received a financial windfall from the SMC Group. At that time, Red Bull was practically on the brink but it helped that this windfall was able to cover a huge part of their opex.
 
durden_tyler said:
Jay, so do you think we'll see an expansion team anytime soon? Like in 2-3 years time, will we see the league grow?
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No...it won't happen, UNLESS, Salud is able to convince the Board that they need to bring in a NEW expansion team/s. But part of Salud's justification to the Board is to commit that the teams will become financially viable while playing in the league. This can only happen if advertising revenues come in during the TV coverage, if PBA merchandise sells like hotcakes, if the TV ratings skyrocket, and if the venue is packed and the league earns in the ticket sales. If that happens, then Salud, like his father in 1990 who was able to convince the Board to bring in the Concepcion and Lorenzo franchises (RFM and Pepsi) to make the league roster to eight (8), can do the same thing.

Which is also why Salud is collaborating with the SBP. Salud understands that, while the league did suffer in terms of league popularity and gate attendance whenever we lose internationally, this is also the same quick formula that can surge the league's popularity to greater heights. Salud gambled on this, convinced the Board to lend the teams' players, and they won a silver medal in the process. Now, we see the personalities involved with the national team on mainstream television appearing in ALL networks and becoming household names. But had the national team lost, imagine the adverse consequences that can happen to the PBA.

Get the teams to become financially viable - that their basketball operations expenses will be covered by receipts from their PBA participation, and you know Salud would be able to convince the Board to expand the roster to 12. If it doesn't happen, then expansion is highly unlikely EXCEPT if they accommodate teams owned ONLY by the present franchise owners.
 
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So, after this career game by Monfort, will we see him traded to an SMC team soon? hahaha :D
 
engwan said:
By the way, this is what Rajko thinks of the trade:
“All of these trades made are all management’s decision. I can’t say anything about that,”
http://www.spin.ph/sports/basketball/news/rajko-refuses-to-wade-into-casyao-trillo-spat
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I feel bad for the pseudo-coach/technical consultant Mr. Rajko Toroman,
baka yung pera na kasama sa trade e kasama yung sweldo nya dun kaya di siya makaimik..

translation:
Barako Bull is losing "integrity" just to make ends meet.

Barako Bull will never earn respect of "fans", they don't even deserve a fan-base
 
As I mentioned before, Toroman wouldn't dare say anything impolitic to jeopardize his gig as he is beholden to Philippine basketball employers (yeah, there's Barako Bull and the long shadow of the conglomerate looming right above it).

He isn't as "black-and-white" and "angular" as the Rajko that broke into the Philippine hoops scene in 2008. He's adaptable, and I'm not sure if that's a compliment.

His recent comments about China's loss to CT seem to give subtle hints to Giannakis to loosen up his tough European standards to match the more sensitive Asian psyche (re: China's players appear to be forced to follow, push-button mentality, et al). Passing on the lessons he previously learned?

Like I said, I'd take whatever Toroman says (or doesn't say) with a grain of salt.
 
^^^

this supposed in-demand international coach sticking with a team that is designed to survive (and make ends meet), and NOT to win.

how the mighty have fallen..... tsk, tsk, tsk
 
There is more than just being in demnd. . .he might be in demand in some other countries but would like to coach in an empty stadium? here in our country he can use his basketball knowledge and land in the sports page everytime same cannot be said if he goes to other countries.
 
Spenz said:
There is more than just being in demnd. . .he might be in demand in some other countries but would like to coach in an empty stadium? here in our country he can use his basketball knowledge and land in the sports page everytime same cannot be said if he goes to other countries.
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i beg to disagree. international coaches go where the money is. there will always be demand for toroman. but i dont think its near to what pba teams pay. even if its barako bull.

a few years ago kasi, people were saying that we are oh so lucky dahil toroman is here, and a lot of countries will surely get his services if we let him go. well, he was let go by SBP from the gilas program. pero, bakit andito pa rin sya?
 
Spenz said:
There is more than just being in demnd. . .he might be in demand in some other countries but would like to coach in an empty stadium? here in our country he can use his basketball knowledge and land in the sports page everytime same cannot be said if he goes to other countries.
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Money is always the bottom line and to think otherwise.... well, I'd sell him 70's Euro car of the future, my uncle's still brand new Yugo!
 
insulares said:
His recent comments about China's loss to CT seem to give subtle hints to Giannakis to loosen up his tough European standards to match the more sensitive Asian psyche (re: China's players appear to be forced to follow, push-button mentality, et al). Passing on the lessons he previously learned?
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Excellent observation. The Toroman unsolicited advice to the Greek coach was obviously a reference to what he may have personally experienced here. So many things have happened to him during his time here in the Philippines - the accommodation of PBA players in the Wuhan-bound national team, the constant changing of a naturalized prospect until they settled for Marcus Douthit, the removal of Noli Eala - first as team manager of Gilas 1.0 and later, as part of the MVP Group, his hiring with the rival of RSA camp, his getting the boot at Petron, Barako Energy accommodating him, etc. All these would require a resilient and pliable person and apparently, Toroman learned a lot. I'm beginning to think that even his coaching philosophy, now that he's in the PBA, has also somewhat changed from what used to be stern and rigid to a bit more flexible and considerate.

One thing though - Toroman doesn't come in cheap. He was paid handsomely by the SBP, and he was taken in by the San Miguel Group for a hefty price - either matching what he used to receive with the SBP or even higher. Moving out of the country is an option but it would be interesting if taken everything in consideration, will he get the same package from others? He has board and lodging here, car with driver, bonus perks, etc. that can make any foreign coach green with envy. China can pay more obviously, but then, the Mainlanders would probably pay for someone who's more "accomplished."
 
Barako Bull's Celino Cruz accepts Trillo apology over 'demeaning' tweet
By Snow Badua
August 19, 2013, 01:08 pm


BARAKO Bull veteran Celino Cruz said he has accepted Luigi Trillo's apology over a "demeaning" tweet the Alaska coach posted in the course of questioning the trade of Allein Maliksi to San Mig Coffee.

Cruz admitted his family, primarily his wife, was hurt upon reading the tweet of Trillo who took to Twitter to air his disgust at what he claimed was an "illogical" trade that sent Maliksi to the San Mig camp for rarely used players Wesley Gonzales and Chris Pacana and a future second-round draft pick.

“Best Barako talent Maliksi for Bench players Gonzales and Pacana? Are you kidding me? Maliksi is the best player on that Barako team,” said Trillo on his account @luigitrillo.

“Would you trade James Yap for Bulawan and Celino Cruz? Cannot see the logic in letting a talent like Maliksi go.”

(For full story, see Barako Bull manager hits back at Trillo for tweets on 'illogical' Maliksi trade)

The tweets have since been deleted from Trillo's timeline, but the damage has been done.

"Sa akin okay lang yun ... Pero syempre, masasaktan ako. Pero mas masakit kasi asawa ko pa una nakabasa," said Cruz, who revealed that he is not into Twitter.

Cruz's wife Adele told Spin.ph how infuriated she was upon reading what she calls as "mapanglait na tweet."

"Syempre, parang masyado namang namaliit asawa ko. Ayos lang na magkumento siya (Trillo) pero sana huwag na mag name drop, kawawa damdamin ng mga players lalo ang mga kamaganak nila," said Adele. "Syempre, pinagmamalaki sila ng kaanak, tapos mababasa ganyan!"

Cruz added: "Nananahimik ako, pati ako dinamay. Wala naman akong ginagawa sa kanya."

However, the former Far Eastern University star bared that Trillo, as well as some members of Alaska coaching staff, have already called to apologize.

"Tinawagan na nga ako ni coach. Tinatanggap ko naman paliwanag niya. Sana lang wag nang maulit. Masakit kasi kung alam niyo lang kung gaano halos maiyak asawa ko," said Cruz, who added he had to keep his wife from replying to Trillo's tweet.

Gonzales, for his part, said he was surprised by Trillo's tweet, but declined to react.

"Nung nabasa ko nailing na lang ako. Ipinagpapasa-Diyos ko na lang," said Gonzales of the tweets of Trillo, who was an assistant coach at Alaska during Gonzales' spell with the team.

Meanwhile, Pacana, an eight-year PBA veteran, has vowed to translate Trillo's tweet into a personal motivation.

"I know I am not a bum, i know what I can bring to the table. And hopefully, i can finally prove that," said Pacana, adding he is also drawing inspiration from Jeremy Lin's phenomenal success.

"What's cruel about being a player is you rely on the right breaks. Sometimes you get to the wrong team and you don't get to truly show your worth. I just have to be patient and wait for the right time," he added.

"Hopefully, there'll be Jeremy Lins among us four (mentioned by Trillo)!"

The Alaska mentor told Spin.ph in a text that it wasn't his intention to demean players.

In his last tweet, Trillo posted: "I have high respect for coach Rajko, Bong and Charles Tiu. They get their guys competing really hard. Players hustle that we all see."
 
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