Olympic Qualifying Tournament - CANADA

[JGX2]

There's no need to expand the Olympic tournament. That what makes it elite.

Agreed. No need to devalue the tournament by making it easy to qualify for. Everyone who didn't make it had their two chances.

Anyway, if it were up to FIBA they would have expanded to 16 teams a while ago, but the IOC would have to change their position for that to happen. Now that they got 3x3 into the games it's hard to see 5x5 (sorry) being allowed to add even more teams and athletes.

 

[Steadysoul2]

How is it elite?
It is regularly missing some of the best teams in the world. This version will be missing 4-6 of the top 10 teams in the world depending on how you want to define it.

That's kind of the point. It's harder to qualify. For the elite teams they would legit have to intentionally fuck up to miss the FWC. Expanding it to 16 also doesn't guarantee more than one of those teams makes it. Let's say you give each region sans Oceania an additional spot based on FWC standings. Only Serbia is added out of the top teams that didn't make it.

 

[ChuckDiesel22]

I think there’s room to both congratulate the winners and not believe this tournament was an accurate representation of the version of the teams we’d have seen in Tokyo. Partly due to lack of preparation, partly due to the unavailable talent who could’ve been ready a month later. For me personally, the best basketball tournament in the world isn’t about the number of teams but the quality.

 

[JamalJokic2]

I agree. Once again the few of us in Canada who follow international basketball are left both exasperated and completely deflated. At times like this I'm tempted to say Basketball Canada should just send the Carleton University Ravens or even the Humber College Hawks to these international tournaments instead of trying to knit some collection of NBA players into a team. And yes, I know, frustration is causing me to overstate my case.

Nonetheless, Basketball Canada must in future set as early a date as possible for training camp to start and if some of the players invited to camp can't make it by this date, so be it. The team would be drawn from the players who do show up. These players then would be drilled and drilled until a well-oiled team emerges from the random collection of players.

I think Canada’s biggest problem is the lack of an identity and culture. Argentina always plays the same way regardless who’s there. Australia is the same way with their physical style of play. If I’m Rowan Barrett I’m doing these two things:

1. Hire a coach who will be in charge at the AmeriCup, World Cup and Olympics. Doesn’t matter if they coach overseas, in NCAA or NBA. Find someone committed to building a program/culture.

2. Take the AmeriCup seriously. Winning/medaling would help establish a winning culture. Seriously when was the last time Canada got silver and gold in a tournament? This seems to be a good place to start. Use the tournament to identify the core and who wants to be part of the program going forward.

 

[Hepcat2]

fantastic built plan by Czech put two super long dudes 2m15+ inside together in zone defence shut down layups and dunks and make high jumping Canada athletes beat them by shooting jumpers.

Thats how USA NT used to beaten by elite europe teams in 2002-2006. Until Usa realised you cant bring just high jumpers,but you need to have bunch of shooters in fiba.

Canadas athletes it was obviuos had no experience playing such type game and played all game long 1vs 1 game . Even with overhelming tallent advantage thats suicidal game plan long term.

The Czech's loading the paint zone defence strategy was helped along by the fact that Canada hit only 9/37 shots from beyond the arc during the game versus a Tournament average of just under 34%.

 

[Dtown2]

I'd like the Olympics expanded to 16, not because I feel bad for any of the teams that didn't qualify but because 16 is just a better tournament format than 12 teams.

4 groups of 4, best two teams qualify for a 8 team knockout. Every game matters while only playing three games and none of that 'best third place team' nonsense.

 

[madmax2]

I'd like the Olympics expanded to 16, not because I feel bad for any of the teams that didn't qualify but because 16 is just a better tournament format than 12 teams.

4 groups of 4, best two teams qualify for a 8 team knockout. Every game matters while only playing three games and none of that 'best third place team' nonsense.

yup, pretty much apply WC format of 3 teams from the group qualifying to form a new group of 6 teams which will then decide the 4 best teams to advance to the QF stage...it would increase the game count only by 1 to the teams which will go all the way and the bad teams would only have to suffer 3 humiliating defeats in the initial group stage instead of 5 beatdowns...that's an exciting unpredictable format and it worked in the last WC. But of course, FIBA would never dear to brake their Olympic "traditions" lol

 

[Steadysoul2]

yup, pretty much apply WC format of 3 teams from the group qualifying to form a new group of 6 teams which will then decide the 4 best teams to advance to the QF stage...it would increase the game count only by 1 to the teams which will go all the way and the bad teams would only have to suffer 3 humiliating defeats in the initial group stage instead of 5 beatdowns...that's an exciting unpredictable format and it worked in the last WC. But of course, FIBA would never dear to brake their Olympic "traditions" lol

FIBA isn't the one keeping the number at 12. The IOC is. That's part of the reason the FWC did expand.

 

[Steadysoul2]

I'd like the Olympics expanded to 16, not because I feel bad for any of the teams that didn't qualify but because 16 is just a better tournament format than 12 teams.

4 groups of 4, best two teams qualify for a 8 team knockout. Every game matters while only playing three games and none of that 'best third place team' nonsense.

How would you decide those extra slots?

 

[Dtown2]

How would you decide those extra slots?

Either give another slot to each region, or include best finishers in the World Cup regardless of region

 

[Steadysoul2]

Basketball is now a global sport, 2nd most popular after football and almost 170 countries registered playing in a FIBA sanctioned game.. it should be expanded.. you see even African teams are now improving in every year.. (Nigeria upsets USA).. 16 teams is good already in an Olympic event..

So I checked because I was curious, with the exception of beach volleyball(24) and men's soccer(16)(but not women's for some reason), every team sport is limited to twelve or less.

 

[Victorious2]

There's no need to expand the Olympic tournament. That what makes it elite. There is the world championship which was already extended. What could be changed, though, is the qualification system. I would definitely prefer the old way when teams are selected based on continental championships.

Actually, I think that the WC is more elite than the Olympics. It should be regarded as the top tier international competition. That's because many good teams are simply missing at the Olympic games. Not for their lack of potential. Lithuania was unlucky because they encountered a better Slovenia. But aside from 5-6 countries, they would most assuredly have beaten most other countries in the world. And what is a single game anyway. Serbia and Greece were lacking many players. They were playing with half capacity. Canada didn't have time to prepare, but they can be a hell of a team. These countries are probably better than more than half the countries at the Olympics. A potential group with these four teams would be called the group of death. And there are other countries as well who could make the Olympics competitive. Think of Croatia, Brazil, Turkey etc.

Now the Olympics has four or five good teams. USA, Spain, Australia, France and perhaps Slovenia. I hope that Nigeria and Italy will surprise me. But that' s only a question mark.

 

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