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fasoulaki2
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Congrats to Czech. Buissiness as usual for Greece. No qualification in a preolympic Tournament outside greece
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Federoy2
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Good for international basketball that the Czechs are going to the Olympics. The sport always needs new blood.
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Federoy2
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No question Canada doesn't have the depth the USA has at the secondary level. If Canada had their full compliment of NBA stars, I believe they would've won this tournament rather easily...but as the competition stiffens at the Olympics, even a full strength Canadian squad wouldn't be a shoe in for a medal. I look at the Canadian program similar to how I view American soccer; we adopted the English/British system of training our youth (dumping the ball with long volleys, no emphasis on skill/technique, poor at probing defenses with passing, conservative, mid-field oriented strategy) and it has not served us well against elite national teams at the senior or junior levels. Canadian basketball is in the same position vis-a-vis basketball. They've adopted the iso-heavy, 3 pt. metric driven style that we're accustomed to seeing out of US NTs...it works for us because our depth and talent is such that we can get away with playing that way against 90% of our opponents, but Canada doesn't have such a luxury. They need to incorporate the best of FIBA team play along with allowing their players some room for individual creativity. Believe it or not, Puerto Rico is a pretty good model, they just don't have the horses to compete against the very best and usually come up short.
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Levenspiel2
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I think your "mistake" is blind optimism. We have no business playing among the best 12 teams in the Olympics. Our bball level over the last decade is 16th to 24th place in the EuroBasket, and this is fair. We have 2 borderline NBA players in Furkan and Cedi, and a few OK guys and prospects, but this roster is not going to win games. Not their fault, they don't have the skill. And we do not have the coach or the playing style to elevate our chances, like the Greeks or the Czechs do. For some reason, people think Ene is a decent coach. He's not even average, he's been failure everywhere and at every level he worked.
Congratulations to all Czech fans, who are yet visit us in this forum
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Toruko2
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I think your "mistake" is blind optimism. We have no business playing among the best 12 teams in the Olympics. Our bball level over the last decade is 16th to 24th place in the EuroBasket, and this is fair. We have 2 borderline NBA players in Furkan and Cedi, and a few OK guys and prospects, but this roster is not going to win games. Not their fault, they don't have the skill. And we do not have the coach or the playing style to elevate our chances, like the Greeks or the Czechs do. For some reason, people think Ene is a decent coach. He's not even average, he's been failure everywhere and at every level he worked.
Congratulations to all Czech fans, who are yet visit us in this forum
And your mistake is either a huge inferiority complex or latent hate. I played enough and watching BB almost my entire life so I wont discuss with you what I can expect or not.
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Levenspiel2
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and yet you cannot see a plain fact, even if it's proven to you over and over. No worries, i am not curious about your projections, either.
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Toruko2
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Fine with me.
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Victorious2
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Czechs deservedly won and qualified for the Olympics. Some of their players were very dominant against the Greece. The Greek players had no answer. The Czechs are a well oiled team. I am also also very glad they knocked out Canada. Once again it is proven that a set of NBA players are not enough to prevail. And truth be told, the Czechs are not by any means a true powerhouse. But their system works like a clock. Pitino said in the press conference that Greece is a team which requires preparation, while the Czechs are a team which work systematically. I think Pitino assembled a team within a few weeks which may have a slight chance to beat Canada. But he had no answer at all for the Czech republic without having time to prepare. The team may be a very bad match up for this Greek team. Nevertheless, it was fun watching them play.
looking into the future Greece basketball needs a new managerial re-start. A coach which they can rely for several tournaments. And someone with knowledge in order to integratie Giannis into the team efficiently. This seems to be the best formula for success in national team basketball. That's because you have little time to prepare. The reason Greece could compete in this tournament is because the non-starters played in FIBA windows. A team with EL and NBA players will not have that opportunity. Eventually you will loose against a more cohesive team.
looking into the future Greece basketball needs a new managerial re-start. A coach which they can rely for several tournaments. And someone with knowledge in order to integratie Giannis into the team efficiently. This seems to be the best formula for success in national team basketball. That's because you have little time to prepare. The reason Greece could compete in this tournament is because the non-starters played in FIBA windows. A team with EL and NBA players will not have that opportunity. Eventually you will loose against a more cohesive team.
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fasoulaki2
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I am against changing the whole basketball tradition due to a single player who is not able to play FIBA basketball. I am in favor to add some elements to the game and use Giannis as an extra weapon instead on relying solely on him. In any case he will rarely show up in FIBA tournaments. So the style of basketball which is played should suite the majority of players of the roster.
Maybe a way back to success would be to find an agreement between federation and league clubs which will allow Euroleague players to participate in FIBA windows. NTs relying on NBA players will have then the main disadvantage.
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Hepcat2
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How does a team go from these results in the Round Robin:
Turkey 87 Czech Republic 70
Czech Republic 80 Uruguay 79
To these results in the Playoff round just a couple of days later?
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Czech Republic 103 Canada 101 (OT)
Czech Republic 97 Greece 72
It's astonishing. The Czechs very clearly saved their best for the Playoffs when it most counted. The Turks just as clearly did not.
I wonder whether the Czech Republic team that played yesterday would have beaten Slovenia.
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Hepcat2
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I agree. Once again the few of us in Canada who follow international basketball are left both exasperated and completely deflated. At times like this I'm tempted to say Basketball Canada should just send the Carleton University Ravens or even the Humber College Hawks to these international tournaments instead of trying to knit some collection of NBA players into a team. And yes, I know, frustration is causing me to overstate my case.
Nonetheless, Basketball Canada must in future set as early a date as possible for training camp to start and if some of the players invited to camp can't make it by this date, so be it. The team would be drawn from the players who do show up. These players then would be drilled and drilled until a well-oiled team emerges from the random collection of players.
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Steadysoul2
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I think Canada would be better off in the long run if they didn't consistently tie their success to NBA players. It seems a bit disrespectful to the non NBA guys who always show up.
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ChuckDiesel22
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The Czechs were obviously the best team in Canada. They have a clear identity that comes with continuity, good coaching and players who all accept and flourish in their roles. They play for one another, they play with force and intelligence and clearly deserve to be in the Olympics. Happy for them and think it will be a really nice group stage test for the Team USA, who beat a slightly different version of their team in 2019.
That said, people would be talking about this Canadian team very differently if they were allowed even the usual amount of time to prepare for a tournament. It goes against whatever hypocritical virtue the Olympic Committee might claim to stand for, but there should be a rule that if national teams have commitments from players who earn a combined professional yearly salary of at least 15 million (dollars or euros) they should be automatically eligible with enough time to get ready for the tournament as possible. Easy solution is adding a couple extra games for each team. All we want is the the absolute best basketball tournament in the world. Any way you spin it, the teams Serbia, Lithuania, Croatia and Canada would've enhanced the quality. One extra game per team.
That said, people would be talking about this Canadian team very differently if they were allowed even the usual amount of time to prepare for a tournament. It goes against whatever hypocritical virtue the Olympic Committee might claim to stand for, but there should be a rule that if national teams have commitments from players who earn a combined professional yearly salary of at least 15 million (dollars or euros) they should be automatically eligible with enough time to get ready for the tournament as possible. Easy solution is adding a couple extra games for each team. All we want is the the absolute best basketball tournament in the world. Any way you spin it, the teams Serbia, Lithuania, Croatia and Canada would've enhanced the quality. One extra game per team.
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Hepcat2
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Unless I'm reading you wrong, you seem to be suggesting that FIBA should make it easier for countries which have teams comprised of high-priced players to qualify. I would be very strongly opposed to those countries getting preferential treatment.
Be nice if the basketball field for the Olympics was expanded to sixteen teams meaning the top TWO teams from each group would qualify, but there's no way star-laden teams should get an easier road than the others.
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Steadysoul2
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Unless I'm reading you wrong, you seem to be suggesting that FIBA should make it easier for countries which have teams comprised of high-priced players to qualify. I would be very strongly opposed to those countries getting preferential treatment.
Be nice if the basketball field for the Olympics was expanded to sixteen teams meaning the top TWO teams from each group would qualify, but there's no way star-laden teams should get an easier road than the others.
If they expanded the field I would expect 2 of those slots to go to Asia/Africa and 2 more wild cards. Or adding a slot to America/Europe/Africa/Asia a piece.
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Miškinis2
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There's no need to expand the Olympic tournament. That what makes it elite. There is the world championship which was already extended. What could be changed, though, is the qualification system. I would definitely prefer the old way when teams are selected based on continental championships.
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mojo132
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Miškinis;1432358 said:
How is it elite?
It is regularly missing some of the best teams in the world. This version will be missing 4-6 of the top 10 teams in the world depending on how you want to define it.
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reamily2
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We all know that it was replaced in favor of the world cup being the year before olympics. It really bad to have the qualified teams 2 years before olympics..
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Straight forward2
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It's elite in terms that best Euro teams qualify via WC (previously EB) and all the rest can prove their value in qualification. Also it means that USA gets their best players, Australia as well. Here you go, knock out stage is absolutely elite stage of FIBA basketball. That moment that it's tough to get in it's also exciting. Spain and France are in without qualification for a reason.