Oded Katash is the new coach of Maccabi Tel Aviv!

[Calvin2]

How? Most of what I talked about had NOTHING to do with Spahija. The comments about him were addressing your bull (like the non-Spahija comments).

Wow, you came up with that by yourself. Given time, your basketball knowledge will get better so you won't think the above comment is not the opinion of MOST people.

Projects?! Do you know what a project is? Lack commitment? Where do you get this?

LOL! Coming from you that's a compliment, you know, since you can't comprehend with a...

Better than Casspi's...

Mike/Ark: yeah, like this is the first post to get off topic.

If you read one, sport5, ynet and some of the other sites you would have some added insight. ESPN doesn't report everything.

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

If you read one, sport5, ynet and some of the other sites you would have some added insight. ESPN doesn't report everything.

Huh?
Do you have to state obvious (and completely unrelated to quote)?

 

[Czarkazem132]

If you read one, sport5, ynet and some of the other sites you would have some added insight. ESPN doesn't report everything.

Huh...yeah, what Mike said.

 

[Calvin2]

Huh?
Do you have to state obvious (and completely unrelated to quote)?

Huh...yeah, what Mike said.

If you guys want to portray yourselves as dumb. You don't have to act.

 

[ArkadiosV22]

Since off-topic subjects are so popular around here...

czark13, is that you on the avatar? and what are the hands holding/showing?

 

[Czarkazem132]

If you guys want to portray yourselves as dumb. You don't have to act.

Lol? Wuh?

If you read one, sport5, ynet and some of the other sites you would have some added insight. ESPN doesn't report everything.

Let's get this straight. ESPN doesn't talk about Casspi and the Israeli papers/sites (which I DO go too) don't mention Oden or Durant. So what's your point. All you do is ignore what people post and type non sequiturs and insults. So Mike and I are dumb because we try to stick to the actual conversation being had? Really, what does your response supposed to entail?

I guess EVERYONE on InterBasket, ESPN, Haaretz, JPost, Sports Illustrated, all the GMs in the NBA, all non Israeli players and coaches, and everyone else is just plain dumb compared to your basketball genius...

BTW, have you heard about this Israeli stud Regev Fanan, I'm telling you he's better then Jordan! He would of played more this season, but that bastard Spahija hates Israelis so he didn't play. Plus he'd be in the NBA, but David STERN doesn't want any Jewish/Israeli players in the L! If only more of the world thought like you.

Since off-topic subjects are so popular around here...

czark13, is that you on the avatar? and what are the hands holding/showing?

LOL!!! No. I have a penis.

It is Jean Grae a female emcee from NY (via South Africa if I remember right), holding a sign from a music store labeled, "Convert the Wack."

 

[ArkadiosV22]

LOL!!! No. I have a penis

I had no doubt, this chick looks like a transvestite

 

[Czarkazem132]

I had no doubt, this chick looks like a transvestite

LOL, trust me there are better pics of her.

 

[Calvin2]

Lol? Wuh?

Let's get this straight. ESPN doesn't talk about Casspi and the Israeli papers/sites (which I DO go too) don't mention Oden or Durant. So what's your point. All you do is ignore what people post and type non sequiturs and insults. So Mike and I are dumb because we try to stick to the actual conversation being had? Really, what does your response supposed to entail?

I guess EVERYONE on InterBasket, ESPN, Haaretz, JPost, Sports Illustrated, all the GMs in the NBA, all non Israeli players and coaches, and everyone else is just plain dumb compared to your basketball genius...

BTW, have you heard about this Israeli stud Regev Fanan, I'm telling you he's better then Jordan! He would of played more this season, but that bastard Spahija hates Israelis so he didn't play. Plus he'd be in the NBA, but David STERN doesn't want any Jewish/Israeli players in the L! If only more of the world thought like you.

LOL!!! No. I have a penis.

It is Jean Grae a female emcee from NY (via South Africa if I remember right), holding a sign from a music store labeled, "Convert the Wack."

ESPN chose not to report that the workout of Greg Oden was as challenging as a junior high basketball camp and hasn't shown significant impovement since the Florida Championship game. Big deal if ESPN doesn't want to report Greg Oden as lazy, ESPN has an agenda to sell the nba game and won't report contrary to that agenda. The Portland Trailblazers are giving a kid with a questionable passion for basketball millions of dollars, a forgiving environment and bad character influences with Darius Miles and Zack Randolph. Don't be surprised that Greg Oden will be more interested in strip clubs than developing a hall-of-fame career at Portland.

About an Israeli never playing in the league. It's a joke that a country that won five euroleague championships and has more euroleague final four appearances than any other country with fewer teams never had a player in the nba. Like there hasn't been room on the roster one of the several nba crappy teams for the past thirty years. It's like black coaches in college football, there aren't many because it's policy. By the way JPost is a canadian newspaper and Ha'aretz is owned by a conglomerate partially owned by the Saudi Royal family, neither have strong sports journalism.

 

[goga782]

ESPN chose not to report that the workout of Greg Oden was as challenging as a junior high basketball camp and hasn't shown significant impovement since the Florida Championship game. Big deal if ESPN doesn't want to report Greg Oden as lazy, ESPN has an agenda to sell the nba game and won't report contrary to that agenda. The Portland Trailblazers are giving a kid with a questionable passion for basketball millions of dollars, a forgiving environment and bad character influences with Darius Miles and Zack Randolph. Don't be surprised that Greg Oden will be more interested in strip clubs than developing a hall-of-fame career at Portland.

About an Israeli never playing in the league. It's a joke that a country that won five euroleague championships and has more euroleague final four appearances than any other country with fewer teams never had a player in the nba. Like there hasn't been room on the roster one of the several nba crappy teams for the past thirty years. It's like black coaches in college football, there aren't many because it's policy. By the way JPost is a canadian newspaper and Ha'aretz is owned by a conglomerate partially owned by the Saudi Royal family, neither have strong sports journalism.

Now where do you have such an idea from about what ESPN choses to report or not to report?! And who has ever writte nabout bad work ethic of Greg Oden? A player, who is being considered a defensive workhorse simply cannot be a lazy player. Good offensive players might be lackadaisacal of playing defense and simply rely on their talent to score points. But not vice versa.

Do you know the difference between club teams and national teams? Do you know that Maccabi Tel-Aviv has always featured lots of premier foreign players and it's not like Israeli players (only) has carried it to success?! The NT consists of Israeli players only, while club teams simply consist of professionall basketball players. Of course, there has been previously room for some Israeli players on NBA rosters. Tal Brody and Micky Berkowitz could have made it to the league somewhere somehow. Maybe Nadav Henefeld, although that is highly unlikable, as it is in the case of Doron Sheffer. Same goes for Doron Jamchy. I think, Oded Kattash could have PLAYED there. It's not like a couple of Israeli players were unable to make it to the league. But they would be mostly out of the rotation due to specific shortcomings, like lack of size, strength and defense. Such a situation wasn't exactly what superstars of the Israeli League and perennial champions and national heroes would want to experience. NBA style of basketball is different from European brand of basketball and European stars do not often transfer well into American way of bball. If there is still sb. in this world who doesn't acknowledge this fact, it is you.

Jerusalem Post and Haaretz are Israeli newspapers. The situation in the ownership doesn't make them foreign newspapers. They have their own identity and their own readers for decades and nothing has changed with a partial change in ownership. Gazprom is the main sponsor of "Echo of Moscow" and it is still an independent and not state controlled radio station as opposed ot anything else in Russian media. And finally, wtf does this have to do with basketball? Czarkazem has pointed it out in a totally correct way: just type just to type.

 

[Calvin2]

Now where do you have such an idea from about what ESPN choses to report or not to report?! And who has ever writte nabout bad work ethic of Greg Oden? A player, who is being considered a defensive workhorse simply cannot be a lazy player. Good offensive players might be lackadaisacal of playing defense and simply rely on their talent to score points. But not vice versa.

Do you know the difference between club teams and national teams? Do you know that Maccabi Tel-Aviv has always featured lots of premier foreign players and it's not like Israeli players (only) has carried it to success?! The NT consists of Israeli players only, while club teams simply consist of professionall basketball players. Of course, there has been previously room for some Israeli players on NBA rosters. Tal Brody and Micky Berkowitz could have made it to the league somewhere somehow. Maybe Nadav Henefeld, although that is highly unlikable, as it is in the case of Doron Sheffer. Same goes for Doron Jamchy. I think, Oded Kattash could have PLAYED there. It's not like a couple of Israeli players were unable to make it to the league. But they would be mostly out of the rotation due to specific shortcomings, like lack of size, strength and defense. Such a situation wasn't exactly what superstars of the Israeli League and perennial champions and national heroes would want to experience. NBA style of basketball is different from European brand of basketball and European stars do not often transfer well into American way of bball. If there is still sb. in this world who doesn't acknowledge this fact, it is you.

Jerusalem Post and Haaretz are Israeli newspapers. The situation in the ownership doesn't make them foreign newspapers. They have their own identity and their own readers for decades and nothing has changed with a partial change in ownership. Gazprom is the main sponsor of "Echo of Moscow" and it is still an independent and not state controlled radio station as opposed ot anything else in Russian media. And finally, wtf does this have to do with basketball? Czarkazem has pointed it out in a totally correct way: just type just to type.

You ponder to many excuses for the questions why there hasn't been a single israeli player on a crappy nba team for the past 40 years and why Greg Oden is apathetic.

 

[goga782]

You ponder to many excuses for the questions why there hasn't been a single israeli player on a crappy nba team for the past 40 years and why Greg Oden is apathetic.

Excuses?! LOL!!! There are no excuses needed, if players aren't good enough one the one hand and all the experts and fans are telling a different story about a player than you on the other hand.
So, give us proofs, which Israeli players could survive and have an impact in the NBA on a regular basis and what's your point (with proofs, links, articles) on why Oden should be a pathetic player. I can say, I have seen him play and I have read what all kind of long-time experts have written. What is your proof? I can say, which are the imminents parts of NBA-style basketball and I can give detailed descriptions of Israeli players who somehow fit that pattern and who don't fit that pattern at all. Can you tell me otherwise? What do you want to say? That Casspi is better than most of other 20-year olds in Europe? That might be very well true but that doesn't make him an NBA player. For a player at SF he has a weak shot, he is not a good dribbler, he is not an outstanding defender and he has to gain more weight and experience. Otherwise, he is aggressive and willing to play better. There are lots of such players in the NBA, in college and in US High School. Just look at this year's draft. Look at those SFs/PFs and compare them to Casspi. They either are ready to contribute as they have done in college or they still need time to develop their game (just as Casspi). American players aren't going anywhere. They are at home, even if sitting on the bench the whole time. Is there a reason for Casspi to play the role of early Darko Milicic or Yaroslav Korolev? I doubt that it would be good for his development. It would be great, if he would be ready to contribute at Maccabi in the EL in one year but the NBA is several levels higher and a totla different story.

To shorten it all - give me proofs for your allegations from above. Don't make your words to be empty of meaning. Why should NBA teams in the 1980ies and 1990ies travel through half of the world in order to get a dead-sure end of bench player, while having so many of those at home? Why does Greg Oden seem to be pathetic, while he was even playing with a broken shooting hand all season long?

 

[Czarkazem132]

ESPN chose not to report that the workout of Greg Oden was as challenging as a junior high basketball camp and hasn't shown significant impovement since the Florida Championship game. Big deal if ESPN doesn't want to report Greg Oden as lazy, ESPN has an agenda to sell the nba game and won't report contrary to that agenda. The Portland Trailblazers are giving a kid with a questionable passion for basketball millions of dollars, a forgiving environment and bad character influences with Darius Miles and Zack Randolph. Don't be surprised that Greg Oden will be more interested in strip clubs than developing a hall-of-fame career at Portland.

Where do you get this from??? Link? Chose not too? You know this how?

For someone that complains about people "speculating" that's all you do?

You do realize ESPN looks for ratings, right? That the get NOTHING from Portland drafting Oden - actually it would benefit them (and the league for that matter) if Oden went somewhere else.

As a matter of fact, why would ESPN CHOOSE not to show this? This is like the NBA "refusing" to allow Israelis - just stupid and illogical.

While Zach Randolph isn't exactly say Grant Hill, I wouldn't put him on the level of Darius Miles(sic). Nor would I even worry about Oden with them (and if he did go to a strip club - who cares?!; he's 19 year-old boy, so what?!), plus Kevin Pritchard has been trying to change the atmosphere at Portland (Jack, Rodriguez, Allridge, now Oden) and I don't see Randolph and hopefully Miles there much longer.

I do like your concept that ESPN is horrible, but the blogsphere - written usually by putzes like yourself - is accurate. Ooh, there's a picture of Oden dancing with a girl - big deal. He's a boy.

About an Israeli never playing in the league. It's a joke that a country that won five euroleague championships and has more euroleague final four appearances than any other country with fewer teams never had a player in the nba.

Huh?!? What are you talking about??? How can a national team win the EL championship? They don't even play in the EL!

I know you aren't dumb enough to consider Maccabi the Israeli national team, are you?

BTW, Anthony Parker, Maceo Baston, Sharas, Huffman (though failed), and others have gone from Maccabi to the NBA. So I don't know what you are talking about. Oh wait, they're not Israelis...

Burstein would have been invited to the summer leagues before he got injured. Green got a weak contract offer from the Pistons, Halperin and Eliyahu got drafted.

Better yet, what is your reasoning for this? Israel, not Maccabi...

Like there hasn't been room on the roster one of the several nba crappy teams for the past thirty years. It's like black coaches in college football, there aren't many because it's policy.

It's not policy idiot, it's prejudice. There is a history of white people questioning black people's intelligence in the U.S. In football, when blacks started succeeding at skilled positions (RB, WR, CB, ect...) it was said they couldn't block (until more blacks became linemen) and later didn't have the intelligence to run an offense (till blacks proved they COULD play at the QB position), this was also said about blacks at the 1 in basketball.

Same was said about black coaches. While the NFL has gotten better (two black coaches in the Super Bowl), the NCAA has been really slow.

There is NO history of prejudice of Israelis at basketball. In fact Jews use to dominate basketball, it was considered a "Jewish sport." Many of these former players and coaches have moved to front office jobs - hell the commish is Jewish. Since Danny Schayes only Jordan Farmar is the only Jewish player in the L, but somehow you think that all these Jews would prevent another Jewish player from playing in the L just because he is from Israel?! WTF?!?1

By the way JPost is a canadian newspaper and Ha'aretz is owned by a conglomerate partially owned by the Saudi Royal family, neither have strong sports journalism.

What?! Ok...?

Retard...

You ponder to many excuses for the questions why there hasn't been a single israeli player on a crappy nba team for the past 40 years and why Greg Oden is apathetic.

Hum, what excuses did Goga make?!

Calvin is mentally challenged.

There I typed it, it must be true.

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

CZ13, do you have to state obvious?
J/K (or quoting myself)

Damn it, how happened that only Sasson Gabay of all Israeli wonderful movie players was in Hollywood movie? It should be Hollywood policy....

 

[Czarkazem132]

CZ13, do you have to state obvious?
J/K (or quoting myself)

Damn it, how happened that only Sasson Gabay of all Israeli wonderful movie players was in Hollywood movie? It should be Hollywood policy....

LOL!

No, Hollywood has had a policy not too allow Israeli actors/actresses in their movies (huh, ignore Natalie Portman, Oded Fehr and Mili Avital).

 

[Calvin2]

Where do you get this from??? Link? Chose not too? You know this how?

For someone that complains about people "speculating" that's all you do?

You do realize ESPN looks for ratings, right? That the get NOTHING from Portland drafting Oden - actually it would benefit them (and the league for that matter) if Oden went somewhere else.

As a matter of fact, why would ESPN CHOOSE not to show this? This is like the NBA "refusing" to allow Israelis - just stupid and illogical.

While Zach Randolph isn't exactly say Grant Hill, I wouldn't put him on the level of Darius Miles(sic). Nor would I even worry about Oden with them (and if he did go to a strip club - who cares?!; he's 19 year-old boy, so what?!), plus Kevin Pritchard has been trying to change the atmosphere at Portland (Jack, Rodriguez, Allridge, now Oden) and I don't see Randolph and hopefully Miles there much longer.

I do like your concept that ESPN is horrible, but the blogsphere - written usually by putzes like yourself - is accurate. Ooh, there's a picture of Oden dancing with a girl - big deal. He's a boy.



Huh?!? What are you talking about??? How can a national team win the EL championship? They don't even play in the EL!

I know you aren't dumb enough to consider Maccabi the Israeli national team, are you?

BTW, Anthony Parker, Maceo Baston, Sharas, Huffman (though failed), and others have gone from Maccabi to the NBA. So I don't know what you are talking about. Oh wait, they're not Israelis...

Burstein would have been invited to the summer leagues before he got injured. Green got a weak contract offer from the Pistons, Halperin and Eliyahu got drafted.

Better yet, what is your reasoning for this? Israel, not Maccabi...



It's not policy idiot, it's prejudice. There is a history of white people questioning black people's intelligence in the U.S. In football, when blacks started succeeding at skilled positions (RB, WR, CB, ect...) it was said they couldn't block (until more blacks became linemen) and later didn't have the intelligence to run an offense (till blacks proved they COULD play at the QB position), this was also said about blacks at the 1 in basketball.

Same was said about black coaches. While the NFL has gotten better (two black coaches in the Super Bowl), the NCAA has been really slow.

There is NO history of prejudice of Israelis at basketball. In fact Jews use to dominate basketball, it was considered a "Jewish sport." Many of these former players and coaches have moved to front office jobs - hell the commish is Jewish. Since Danny Schayes only Jordan Farmar is the only Jewish player in the L, but somehow you think that all these Jews would prevent another Jewish player from playing in the L just because he is from Israel?! WTF?!?1



What?! Ok...?

Retard...



Hum, what excuses did Goga make?!

Calvin is mentally challenged.

There I typed it, it must be true.

God damn you're paranoid someone post the truth that an israeli didn't play on some crappy nba team for the past 40 years and the Jailblazers will always be a screwed up underachieving organization as long as the apathetic Paul Allen is the owner of the organization and you get flustered and upset. I love the excuse of you labeling an entire group of people inferior to play in the nba ir the jailblazers are going in a new direction because of a change of management. Neither are true and I personally find both excuses amusing.

 

[Calvin2]

Excuses?! LOL!!! There are no excuses needed, if players aren't good enough one the one hand and all the experts and fans are telling a different story about a player than you on the other hand.
So, give us proofs, which Israeli players could survive and have an impact in the NBA on a regular basis and what's your point (with proofs, links, articles) on why Oden should be a pathetic player. I can say, I have seen him play and I have read what all kind of long-time experts have written. What is your proof? I can say, which are the imminents parts of NBA-style basketball and I can give detailed descriptions of Israeli players who somehow fit that pattern and who don't fit that pattern at all. Can you tell me otherwise? What do you want to say? That Casspi is better than most of other 20-year olds in Europe? That might be very well true but that doesn't make him an NBA player. For a player at SF he has a weak shot, he is not a good dribbler, he is not an outstanding defender and he has to gain more weight and experience. Otherwise, he is aggressive and willing to play better. There are lots of such players in the NBA, in college and in US High School. Just look at this year's draft. Look at those SFs/PFs and compare them to Casspi. They either are ready to contribute as they have done in college or they still need time to develop their game (just as Casspi). American players aren't going anywhere. They are at home, even if sitting on the bench the whole time. Is there a reason for Casspi to play the role of early Darko Milicic or Yaroslav Korolev? I doubt that it would be good for his development. It would be great, if he would be ready to contribute at Maccabi in the EL in one year but the NBA is several levels higher and a totla different story.

To shorten it all - give me proofs for your allegations from above. Don't make your words to be empty of meaning. Why should NBA teams in the 1980ies and 1990ies travel through half of the world in order to get a dead-sure end of bench player, while having so many of those at home? Why does Greg Oden seem to be pathetic, while he was even playing with a broken shooting hand all season long?

The defensive intensity along with intensity in general of the nba regular season is so poor that Omri Caspi would be an effective player in the regular season. Greg Oden's wrist surgery was a minor surgery other player have and don't have the same issues with recovery. Lastly, the quality of high school basketball is lacking, Caspi would have no problem dominating.

 

[Czarkazem132]

God damn you're paranoid

About what?

someone post the truth that an israeli didn't play on some crappy nba team for the past 40 years and the Jailblazers will always be a screwed up underachieving organization as long as the apathetic Paul Allen is the owner of the organization and you get flustered and upset.

What?

This is what you always do. You basically make a rediculous statement, someone responds and you ignore what they say by claiming they typed something different. Or just ignore the post and state something retarded like:

God damn you're paranoid...and you get flustered and upset.

Flustered, upset? Ok...?

I love the excuse of you labeling an entire group of people inferior to play in the nba ir the jailblazers are going in a new direction because of a change of management.

What group? Who did I label inferior? Can you please show me where I typed that (I know you won't, you'll just ignore me and claim I typed something else)?

And if a change of management DOESN'T mean they are going in a new direction, what does it mean??? What, you think they can just get rid of players so easily??? What is going in a new direction for you, changing cities?

[/QUOTE]Neither are true and I personally find both excuses amusing.[/QUOTE]

So the fact that Darius hasn't played a game in how long??? Despite his rediculous contract. Or the fact that that they are looking to trade Randolph?

LOL = anger!!!!

The defensive intensity along with intensity in general of the nba regular season is so poor that Omri Caspi would be an effective player in the regular season.

Speculation?!

And you know if he was from the U.S. (and probably black) you'd be claiming he has an attitude problem.

Greg Oden's wrist surgery was a minor surgery other player have and don't have the same issues with recovery.

Yeah...go on...

Lastly, the quality of high school basketball is lacking, Caspi would have no problem dominating.

What? There is still great quality in HS basketball, I don't know where you get this from. It just depends where in the U.S. you go and the type of HS (from a public school to a "basketball school" like Oak Hill).

Casspi would be a good player in most HS (especially helps since he's over age now), but once again you overestimate him (and other Israelis) while bashing your fellow compatriots.

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

The defensive intensity along with intensity in general of the nba regular season is so poor that Omri Caspi would be an effective player in the regular season. Greg Oden's wrist surgery was a minor surgery other player have and don't have the same issues with recovery. Lastly, the quality of high school basketball is lacking, Caspi would have no problem dominating.

Those aren't facts, a fact is something that you can measure. Those are opinions and those opinions are wrong.

Hmmm, seems that you are talking with yourself...

 

[goga782]

The defensive intensity along with intensity in general of the nba regular season is so poor that Omri Caspi would be an effective player in the regular season. Greg Oden's wrist surgery was a minor surgery other player have and don't have the same issues with recovery. Lastly, the quality of high school basketball is lacking, Caspi would have no problem dominating.

There are enough half-way athletic youngsters with an inconsistent shot and average defense in the USA. No need to get Casspi on board and pay him millions for that.

Greg Oden broke the wrist of his shooting hand. What are you talking, a minor surgery? What does that have to do with the fact, that you can't play properly with a broken shooting hand? Go out and try to play with your other hand all the time. You'll see the difference. Still, he played with his other hand and even made FTs with a decent percentage. As to the recovery, some people's injuries are healing quicker, others don't. People are not to blame for that.

Today's Casspi would be two years out of high school. How do you want to compare him to HS players (not all of them seniors)? Do you know how good he was two years ago? He could have surely played HS basketball. No problem with that. His role would just depend on the schhol he would be playing in. And as to the quality of US HS basketball - so where do American colleges get so many good players from?!