New top 16 system

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

Great stuff Gonzaka, thanks for posting it.
I still disagree with Jordi on basicaly most of it, especialy the argumentation about inability of Zaragosa, Granada and Valencia all qualifying to EL at the same time, doesn't really make much sense... the opposite. In the past the same logic prooved harmfull for euroleague and I am honestly amazed Jordi doesn't see it that way.

 

[pohani komarac2]

Don't ask for exact source ( it's just a compilation of rumors & semi-rumors what I've heard /read this week )

Jordi is pissed off about VTB League expansion & possible joining of Adriatic by Oly/Pao .

His arguments : those regional leagues are joke, nobody of its members really understand what do they fighting for . Regional powerhouses like CSKA, Zalgiris, Rytas, UNICS play each other 5-6 times , killing the possible interest & piquancy of their meetings in Euroleague. So basically regional leagues are going down by themselves, taking EL with them.

Jordi wants to settle the matters, mostly by discussions with clubs, but among the options : ultimatum to the clubs not to participate in regional leagues , if they want to compete in EL.

Changes in Top16 and increasing the number of Euro games per season should be some sort of carrot to the clubs from EL, with above mentioned ultimatum being the stick.


Personally I'm with Jordi on this. I fully support dissolving of regional leagues and making EL longer.

Additionally, some changes are surely needed to make Euro-season last longer even for bad performing clubs. Something like accepting EL Regular/Top16 drop outs to Eurocup ( the way it's done in UEFA with Champions/Europa Cup )

don't know for vtb league, but jordi is one of guys forced aba league. it was his tool to screw fiba. and aba without maccabi has it sense and it's good leage, and unlike vtb league it is played for something.

 

[Illegal2k102]

don't know for vtb league, but jordi is one of guys forced aba league. it was his tool to screw fiba. and aba without maccabi has it sense and it's good leage, and unlike vtb league it is played for something.

and how exactly its different from vtb?

 

[Boki Nachbar2]

Is this official?

 

[prdovlak2]

For me it would be best if there were 4 groups of 8 teams with regular home/away matches (14 games), and after that it should be playoff like NBA system where a team who first win 3 or 4 matches, go to next level. In great finale there shouldn't be anything different (first team who win 3 or 4 matches, win Euroleague).

 

[felix_r2]

I like this new system. It is very good for big teams. More games against strong opponents, more TV broadcasts, more money, more interest for the fans.

 

[SunOverHStreet]

and how exactly its different from vtb?

Don't know about VTB, but Adriatic league provides three spots in Eurocup and participate in point system with clubs from both Serbia and Croatia (and Slovenia, probably), which determines which club will play Euroleague.
I'm not sure right now, but it's something like this: 40% Adriatic league, 40% domestic league and 20% domestic cup.
Last year both Cedevita and Zagreb were ahead of Cibona, and Zagreb winning the Croatian league actually surpassed Cedevita in the end and earned a Euroleague spot.
Partizan is way ahead of any club in Serbia in point system, so their Euroleague
participation is not at risk for a couple more years.

 

[InstitutionFan2]

euroleague should be just one of the competitions, not like in america.
i hope this shit won't happen...

 

[Billy Bounce2]

Adriatic league is a special case because it gives EL/Eurocup spots for its participants , so they do know what they're fighting for.

In the case of Maccabi , Pao and Oly will join Adriatic , it loses it's ex-Yugoslavian national league status & becomes the same strange regional league as VTB.

Maccabi , Pao and Oly won't earn their Euro spots in Adriatic, but in their national leagues . It creates some strange situations : let's say Pao wins, MTA is runner-up & Oly is the 3-rd... Does EL spot belong to the 4-th best team in the competition?

National leagues give spots for Euro competitions is perfectly defined , but with regional leagues starts all the mess:

1) no borders exists, so clubs may shuttle from one regional league to another ( like Nymburk ) in attempt to achieve better results

2) the situation with giving euro-spots for regional leagues is unclear due to (1)

3) clubs play each other in 2-3 different competitions ( e.g. CSKA-UNICS : PBL, VTB, possible EL ) , confusing the fans who need to remember what league do they play & what is the game 'weight'.

4) EL had troubles to separate Adriatic teams & teams from the same countries, imagine separating VTB, Adriatic and national leagues during a draw There would be no draw at all, all draw will be predefined by the rules.

The system I like is national leagues + long (2-tier ) Euro-season:

Let's say each EL Regular season group ( 6 teams ) - 4 teams go up to Top16, 1 team is going to Eurocup ( second round) & the worst team finishes its Euro season.

The same with Top16 dropouts: 2 top teams go up to Quarters , 1 to Eurocup playoffs & the worst team finishes its Euro-season.

It ensures long Euro season for majority of clubs , eliminating the need in regional leagues. Win-win situation, without the above mentioned mess.

 

[Pantheon2]

Adriatic league is a special case because it gives EL/Eurocup spots for its participants , so they do know what they're fighting for.

In the case of Maccabi , Pao and Oly will join Adriatic , it loses it's ex-Yugoslavian national league status & becomes the same strange regional league as VTB.

Maccabi , Pao and Oly won't earn their Euro spots in Adriatic, but in their national leagues . It creates some strange situations : let's say Pao wins, MTA is runner-up & Oly is the 3-rd... Does EL spot belong to the 4-th best team in the competition?

I think Olympiacos and PAO should join ABA and Maccabi should stay there. If it does not fit with "Adriatic region", or former Yugoslav states, then just make it MBA (Mediterranean Basketball Association) instead.

I can see Olympiacos and PAO being allowed to start Greek League at the semifinals stage of the playoffs, like the main Adriatic League clubs from the former Yugoslav states can.

Maccabi should try to work out a similar deal also somehow with Israeli Super League in the future by applying more pressure on them. Maybe Hapoel Jerusalem could also join the league as well. They would also be a good option once they get their new arena completed.

 

[twilost2]

I totally agree with Victorious and suggest a similar system of NBA. 20 teams for 3 leagues. ( east,middle,west or etc.) 4 from each leagues are promoted to euroleague which will be formed by 2 groups of 6. at the end a final four from the best 2 of each groups. a eurocup for 5th-8th for each leagues. total 50 games.
Usually going to a domestic league game is a burden to me...

On the other hand 32 team system will be good, if the first period of the league will be formed by 8 groups of 4 teams. 6+14+3(5)+2 is enough.

 

[InstitutionFan2]

Adriatic league is a special case because it gives EL/Eurocup spots for its participants , so they do know what they're fighting for.

In the case of Maccabi , Pao and Oly will join Adriatic , it loses it's ex-Yugoslavian national league status & becomes the same strange regional league as VTB.

Maccabi , Pao and Oly won't earn their Euro spots in Adriatic, but in their national leagues . It creates some strange situations : let's say Pao wins, MTA is runner-up & Oly is the 3-rd... Does EL spot belong to the 4-th best team in the competition?

National leagues give spots for Euro competitions is perfectly defined , but with regional leagues starts all the mess:

1) no borders exists, so clubs may shuttle from one regional league to another ( like Nymburk ) in attempt to achieve better results

2) the situation with giving euro-spots for regional leagues is unclear due to (1)

3) clubs play each other in 2-3 different competitions ( e.g. CSKA-UNICS : PBL, VTB, possible EL ) , confusing the fans who need to remember what league do they play & what is the game 'weight'.

4) EL had troubles to separate Adriatic teams & teams from the same countries, imagine separating VTB, Adriatic and national leagues during a draw There would be no draw at all, all draw will be predefined by the rules.

The system I like is national leagues + long (2-tier ) Euro-season:

Let's say each EL Regular season group ( 6 teams ) - 4 teams go up to Top16, 1 team is going to Eurocup ( second round) & the worst team finishes its Euro season.

The same with Top16 dropouts: 2 top teams go up to Quarters , 1 to Eurocup playoffs & the worst team finishes its Euro-season.

It ensures long Euro season for majority of clubs , eliminating the need in regional leagues. Win-win situation, without the above mentioned mess.

For me, this is great idea, but unfortunatly, Jordi and company won't listen you
With this sistem of competition, it keeps a long euro season, but also doesenl;t make a euroleague like nba...
With sistem thay plane, is there a posibilty of joining Eurocup?

 

[Mindozas6]

So it changed officially

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/92299/180

 

[Billy Bounce2]

I hoped EL will make some changes in regular season format too, nut they chose the easiest path : just merge each 2 regular groups together :facepalm:

The two new Top 16 groups would be composed based on regular-season standings, as follows:

Group E: A1, B2, C3, D4, C1, D2, A3, B4
Group F: B1, C2, D3, A4, D1, A2, B3, C4

It makes regular season pretty useless : no need to fight for the first place to avoid strong teams, with new format A1 will meet C1, B1 ->D1 anyway

It could create some strange situations: e.g. the strongest team ( let's say CSKA with Kiri) will get C1 next season. It makes A teams to think twice before winning A1 pot, much better to get A2 to be drawn into Top16 group without CSKA

 

[thegreekmeister2]

Plus there may be some useless game at the bottom of the group in top 16 because of the fact that only 4 out of 8 teams go through.
Very stupid system.