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NBA planning 5-team European expansion

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The NBA is exploring an expansion initiative in Europe that includes a new five-team European division in the league, SI.com reported Wednesday.

The current plan would involve creating five full-fledged NBA franchises in Europe over the next decade, a source told the website. The teams would play a full 82-game schedule and compete for the NBA championship.

Commissioner David Stern is expected to discuss the initiative at a news conference Saturday in New Orleans. The timing coincides with the annual meeting of international basketball officials and the NBA, which is held during the All-Star weekend.

The idea of expansion abroad first was floated by Stern in 2003. Since then, the league has focused on building international partnerships, including NBA China.

Not sure how exactly this would work. Teams flying back and forth over the atlantic to play each other? Call me skeptical.
 
I told everyone here Stern said on the radio he was looking at new teams in Berlin, London, Rome, and that Real Madrid and Panathinaikos had made deals to be joined into the league. I was basically laughed at that I made it up.

Yeah, so he's basically confirming here new teams in London, Berlin, Rome, Real Madrid and leaving the 5th team unnamed but saying there would be 5, which I suspect is simply because Panathinaikos' owners probably decided to tone down the news since then.
 
The fly-over issue would be the least of their (and our) concerns. That is easily resolvable by flying once to play all the games (just like all the Moscow teams do when playing teams from the Russian Far East). The viability and necessity of such a plan would be the real issue. If the NBA wants to make up some new franchises in London, Paris and ...Copenhagen, then let them do it, and let them watch them die after 2 years. I just hope it doesn't mess up with the existing teams and leagues. Neither the NBA or Euro basketball would benefit from such a move IMO, so why bother.
 
The NBA is exploring an expansion initiative in Europe that includes a new five-team European division in the league, SI.com reported Wednesday.

NBA exp. to Europe wont happen in the next 10 years, mark my words.
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/13/international.expansion/index.html

The NBA's on-and-off approach to expansion into Europe is back on again. Commissioner David Stern is considering new plans to create five full-fledged NBA franchises in Europe over the next decade, a league source told SI.com.

The initiative promises to be the big news of All-Star weekend in New Orleans, where international basketball officials are arriving this week for their annual meetings with the NBA. Stern is expected to reveal the league's new stance at a news conference Saturday, according to a league source.

The current idea would be to create five new teams in major markets to form a "European'' division within the NBA. The teams would play the full 82-game schedule and compete for the NBA championship. But the proposal is new and many factors will influence the eventual outcome, the league source said.

This will not be the first time Stern has proposed expansion overseas. In 2003, he said the league would investigate planting teams in Europe within a decade, but then shelved the proposal as the NBA focused on developing profitable relationships with China and other emerging markets.

Those relationships have helped Stern formulate a new two-pronged approach to growing the business of the NBA and world basketball in general.

Stern's preference has been to develop international partnerships with local federations and business interests, as in the formal announcement last month of NBA China. ESPN and four Chinese investors have already pledged $253 million to the nascent project.

According to the league source, Stern has realized that it's much easier to do business in emerging basketball markets than in Western Europe, where government regulation as well as the basketball organizing bodies -- the complex network of old-world federations that run the sport in each country and throughout Europe -- have choked off attempts to turn European basketball into a profitable enterprise since the opening of the Berlin Wall almost 20 years ago.

"Say you put five teams there in NBA buildings and see what happens,'' the NBA source said of plans to expand to Europe. "Because then it's out of the hands of the governments; it's an American company with American divisions operating in Europe.''

Pro basketball remains a minor sport throughout Western Europe, with a low-scale popularity not unlike that of soccer in the United States. In an interview with Sports Illustrated two years ago, former NBA player Sarunas Marciulionis, a Lithuanian who founded the Northern European Basketball League, outlined the problems in Europe while calling on Stern to preside over a summit to overhaul basketball on the continent.

"There are no big brands -- none -- connected with high-scale basketball in Europe because it's a mess,'' Marciulionis said while attending the 2006 All-Star Game in Houston. "We need one structure, one clean pyramid. I think David could unite Europe. I think they would listen to him.''

Nothing came of Marciulionis's proposal: The Europeans declined to ask for Stern's leadership, and at that time Stern told SI that he was neither interested in expanding the NBA to Europe, nor was he willing "to intrude'' in the affairs of the European leagues.

But the landscape has changed with the emergence of NBA-styled arenas in Europe. The 02 Arena in London and the soon-to-be-opened 02 Arena in Berlin (both named after a mobile phone sponsor in Europe) are NBA-ready venues outfitted with the necessary suites and amenities. In addition, Rome has broken ground on a new arena, and Real Madrid is expected to begin construction soon on a new building in Spain. Those four cities would be among the leading candidates to receive NBA franchises in the next decade, if Stern pursues his vision. But the expansion is predicated on more arenas being built in Europe in coming years.

Stern has long said that the absence of NBA-sized buildings had been the biggest obstacle to putting franchises in Europe. Now that a marketplace is developing for large arenas capable of providing revenue streams to support NBA franchises, the league can seriously begin to consider expansion overseas.

There is a sense that the clock is ticking down on the league's long-term plan to grow basketball in Western Europe. With NBA-ready buildings sprouting up, the source suggested that Stern feels the need to move before a competing entity seizes the opportunity of moving into those arenas and starting up a new European league from scratch.

Of course, there would be many issues. Would European audiences buy expensive season tickets to 41 home games per year? Would they adapt to the American dynamic of sport as entertainment, equivalent to attending a concert or the cinema? Could the NBA sustain expansion to as many as 35 teams? Would American players be willing to play overseas? And how would teams adapt to the transatlantic road trips?

European basketball officials have been skeptical that the NBA could succeed in the Old World. But others view the success of European soccer's Champions League -- in which huge numbers of fans have watched the best players in the world without necessarily having a rooting interest in the teams -- as an indication that the NBA model could succeed in Europe.

There is little room for the NBA to expand its business domestically. If Stern decides to move overseas, he will do so based on the availability of new venues and the perspective that there are no better options for growing the game in Europe.

"We need to do more market research, of course,'' the league source said. "But in the end there's only one way to find out, and that's by going there and doing it.''


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That's pretty much exactly what he said on the radio before the season started and also then he mentioned Panathinaikos along with Real Madrid being joined, although here it justs says "a fifth team" and also he had mentioned Paris, where here Paris is not mentioned.

So it looks like the current plan is new teams in Berlin, London, Rome, Real Madrid, and I am assuming either new team in Paris or Panathinaikos for the 5th team. People keep denying there is any truth to this, yet report after report keeps coming out about it.
 
Nikoo said:
NBA exp. to Europe wont happen in the next 10 years, mark my words.
I agree. ...unless Stern's egomania is that big that he can force the issue and lose a heckuva lot of money!
 
they can have London if they want, but at the same time if english basketball federation accepts that, I hope Fiba and Uleb would expell them from their competitions...

NBA can stay out of europe since they're not welcome here. We've got our own competitions and are happy with them, eventhough they're far from perfect. If Stern wants to jerk off on "developing the sport abroad" he can go to many other places where bball needs to get developed more than in Europe. While I don't care for NBA's financial troubles he tries to resolve with that bs.


to make myself clear once again.

1. traveling distance
2. NBA teams have troubles with Canadian taxes!? please do try with German or French ones :D
3. be welcome for 5 more teams- there aren't enough players for that already, and in that case I'll be more than happy watching London Towers being Aris's bijotch over and over again
4. local patriotism in europe: shortly that means- get a NBA team in Madrid and you won't get 40 milion of spanish supporters, but rather few millon supporters and twice ammount the haters
5. messing with the local leagues
6. China is way more profitable when it comes to an NBA team

if the expanion occurs in London, Paris, Kopenhagen (now THOSE are TAXES we're talking about!!! :D) I don't care, while if it's established european basketball cities we're talking about, get ready for big opposition by european basketball institutions as well as biggest negative-propaganda by hard-core european fans and reporters NBA has ever witnessed.

I was polite, while I think you all know what I think of anyone supporting such expansion... too bad I can't express that live :rolleyes: :o but that wouldn't be too civilised either :o
 
As much as unlikely this may sound, London is the only city that could sustain a viable NBA team. The reason? It's the only place where an american (in essence) franchise will be so readily welcomed (they got so much more NBA exposure there. Even the all-around BBC website only reports NBA news and never even makes the slightest of references to EL, not even after the F4). It will be the only place to not mind having 8-9 US players in its team's roster. Furthermore the London crowd will be much more welcoming to the "show" that the NBA is, whereas basketball is much more then the show for the basketball fans in other Euro countries. It is also the only place that would tolerate a team with a name that sounds like "Thunders" or "Towers" or "Bears" or "Queens" or "Gentlemen" or whatever :D

I agree with everything that JPF said. NBA ball and Euro ball are two different sports. There is no need to merge them in any way. I hope this plan doesn't move forward, or if it does that it takes a few decades to do so.
 
All this pessimism is funny to me. You guys need to learn NBA history. Originally there were TWO pro leagues in America the NBA and the ABA, which had arguably the 3 or 4 biggest stars in the world in basketball including THE biggest at the time, Dr. J.

This league was merged into the NBA and at the time it was basically said by all the "experts" the fans, etc. "it will never work". The difference between the ABA and the NBA was about >>>>>>>>>> than the NBA and the Euroleague. If there is money to be made, Stern will never stop until he's dead.
 
ArkadiosV2 said:
Let's see our dear Mr Bertomeu trying to find markets in London, Paris and Berlin now... this is hilarious.

I think it's obvious the leagues are in this together, it's just some stupid fake, imaginary rivalry that American NBA fans and European Euroleague fans have created that it's "impossible".
 
pesimism? just pure oposition... and in case this turns out true... pure hate

If you like NBA and enjoy it- it's your right to do so and I won't care one bit... afterall there are people on this world playing or even watching curling for gods sake... but no need to come to europe just because US&Canada aren't producing enough money to support those tough posse hommies and their managers- I won't support them and Artest like idiots if anyone suggests that and I don't want to ever see a profesional player in europe saying "c'mmon, it's practice we'r taukin' abut... practice maaan" so keep your posse thing and trips through stands over the pond.

I despize anti-americanism that goes around in europe lately, but no need to think about it twice, It would be sweet to see some of those guys rampaging about US expansionism in basketball :D ...i'll be on the bandwagon right away.


Honestly I am enraged about Stern even thinking about this... but anyway even if it happens, I'll love the negative publicity about the NBA that'll come along... and I don't doubt either that european countries that actually care about basketball such as Lithuania, Serbia, Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, Turkey will find their way even if some spanish or italian club will decide to betray european basketball... NBA franchise in europe won't last for long anyway.

Stern will never stop until he's dead.
well, let him die finaly than...
 
So let me get this straight, you are saying there are not enough Euro players to make up 5 teams then, mixed in with some Americans? You are saying then that teams now like Real Madrid, CSKA, Panathinaikos are not even worth a mention in terms of NBA?

I watch both leagues, and I can assure you these teams are definitely NBA quality teams I don't give a damn what some fans think or what some stupid pre-season game showed.
 
Vasileios Spanoulis 666 said:
So let me get this straight, you are saying there are not enough Euro players to make up 5 teams then, mixed in with some Americans? You are saying then that teams now like Real Madrid, CSKA, Panathinaikos are not even worth a mention in terms of NBA?

I watch both leagues, and I can assure you these teams are definitely NBA quality teams I don't give a damn what some fans think or what some stupid pre-season game showed.
I am saying that with aditional 5 teams in NBA, there will be 5 more potential rape candidates for top/middle level teams like Aris. As you should've learn from the case with Olympiakos the names of players barely play a role on court in a loosen' up system as popular in NBA...

it's not about 5 european teams not being able to play in NBA. it's about european basketball being more than just 5 random places and NBA's marketing agresively taking away attention from basketball played in town's (and countries) such as Belgrade, Athens, Bologna, Istanbul, Thessaloniki, Tel Aviv, Kaunas, Badalona, Zagreb, Vitoria (and loads of towns with less importance, but still giving it's share as Zadar, Split, Ljubljana, Vilnius, Milano, Varese, Pau...) that created it and made euro basketball what it is today... and are the reason US national teams lost their dominance- freaking 92 dream team didn't do that- those cities and their clubs and fans I've listed above did... it's about
this, about this, and as you supposedly should know, about this.

I't about soul vs. marketing and true european fan will never let marketing prevail to the extent it prevailed in NBA. The system is too closed even right now in european basketball and Stern is dreaming about champions league? with what? 5 static teams? yeah, some football fans wait patiently for quite some years for their team to qualify again for the CL- when it does it's worth it and that's how sports should be run in europe, there is absolutely no chance to run a closed up league since there is no way any sort of closed up league in europe could attract more than 10-15% of people... so Stern please go f... y...elf and let european sport develop on it's own... european way. just one more reason... while I could go typing for two more hours here.
 
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Joško Poljak Fan said:
afterall there are people on this world playing or even watching curling for gods sake...

please tell me that you didn't just compare nba basketball to curling..if i understand correctly there will be 5 new franchises in europe(the london tea bags or the copenhagen mermaids or whatever) and no will interfere with the domestic or european leagues..if you don't like nba then don't (-- ----- ----- --. Unnecessary. JCN.) watch it,noone will put i gun in your head to do so..personally i will be more than happy for having a chance to watch nba games in europe
 
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Joško Poljak Fan said:
... it's about
this, about this, and as you supposedly should know, about this.

I't about soul vs. marketing and true european fan will never let marketing prevail to the extent it prevailed in NBA.....
That's it for me, Matiz. That's the reason European basketball, domestic and EL, is better than the NBA. It's not players or highlights or dunks. This is it. 4,000 fans jumping up and down, kids slipping into the gates without tickets, punks banging their homemade drums, everybody trying to hold up a banner, cigarette-smoking men arranging last minute bets.

The NBA has many good things, but it's relationship with local communities is pretty horrible (just ask cities like Seattle and Newark that are held hostage by their franchise). It's a problem with most pro sports franchises in the US. It's not, in my opinion, the NBA game that is the problem. The problem is the franchise system versus the club system.
 
Jon_Koncak said:
please tell me that you didn't just compare nba basketball to curling..if i understand correctly there will be 5 new franchises in europe(the london tea bags or the copenhagen mermaids or whatever) and no will interfere with the domestic or european leagues..if you don't like nba then don't (-- ----- ----- --. Unnecessary. JCN.) watch it,noone will put i gun in your head to do so..personally i will be more than happy for having a chance to watch nba games in europe
I don't watch NBA games anymore, thank you... from the reasons mvblair mentioned I happened to watch sth. like 5-6times more of NCAA basketball than NBA in the past 2-3 years... noone is stupid enough to put a gun on my head anyway...
While you can stay just as happy watching NBA games in US. I love watching a game or two of american football on TV, it doesn't bother me one bit if that's not in europe, so I guess you'll survive with it as well... unless of course you are living in London :o
afterall watching dunks is much more enjoyable in front of TV where you've got repetitions, slow motions and stuff :o
 
Joško Poljak Fan said:
they can have London if they want, but at the same time if english basketball federation accepts that, I hope Fiba and Uleb would expell them from their competitions...

(and the rest of your post)
I subscribe everything you said.
 
LOL a lot of NBA antagonism on this thread. Anyway NBA also had been saying for years to create NBA China league but so far other than personnel moves have not heard of anything. So no point in discussing this until something more concrete is in the news.
 
sinobball said:
LOL a lot of NBA antagonism on this thread. Anyway NBA also had been saying for years to create NBA China league but so far other than personnel moves have not heard of anything. So no point in discussing this until something more concrete is in the news.

Stern said NBA China league is being formed very soon it will be just like the NBDL only be for all the Asian players. He said it's already being formed now.
 
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