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Maccabi Tel Aviv 2015/16

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Levenspiel said:
Some of their projected transfers did not happen in the end, but I had thought Maccabi built one of the better rosters in the off-season. Way off prediction on my part.

As for the last game, it was totally unexpected (even for refs) to see a team like Maccabi trying what they did and contemplating even to score their own basket, but I did not personally find it too embarrassing. They did not want to give up without trying a desperate trick. Anyway, they are everything but an embarrassment to bball. One terrible season, that's all.
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The last minutes are the least embarrassing thing that happen to Maccabi this year. The players need to think only about reaching next level, if the system built in a way that sometimes it is better for you to wait for an OT you should do what is better for you.

In Israeli forums, the older guys expected a crappy season from this year. Maccabi changed the system, focused on 3 point shooting, gave up totally on defence and invested enormous amount of money on 2 players that haven't achieved anything in European basketball and it was obvious that they can't play together since they both like to handle the ball and both can't guard (thanks god they left Mekel out at least... add him with those 2 and you screwed before game 10). In the front court we had absolutely nothing. Add the injuries to the equation and you get a Eurocup team, and not a strong one.

Pini Gershon like to repeat the fact that if you bring 5 guys that scores 30 points a game and pass 10 assists, you won't receive a 150 PPG and 50 APG team, you will receive a mess. The only reason Maccabi's management signed Farmar and Rochesti together is their panic because of the championship lost last season. They thought that if they bring two "israelis" stars that will secure the domestic title for sure a give them a good chance in EL, but they forget every other concept in team building.

Israeli media saying that Maccabi really want Coach Edelshtein for next year. If this is indeed the case, we can expect to see a more similar Maccabi next year. A real team of basketball players and not a bunch of soft outside shooters.
 
Metec said:
The last minutes are the least embarrassing thing that happen to Maccabi this year. The players need to think only about reaching next level, if the system built in a way that sometimes it is better for you to wait for an OT you should do what is better for you.

In Israeli forums, the older guys expected a crappy season from this year. Maccabi changed the system, focused on 3 point shooting, gave up totally on defence and invested enormous amount of money on 2 players that haven't achieved anything in European basketball and it was obvious that they can't play together since they both like to handle the ball and both can't guard (thanks god they left Mekel out at least... add him with those 2 and you screwed before game 10). In the front court we had absolutely nothing. Add the injuries to the equation and you get a Eurocup team, and not a strong one.

Pini Gershon like to repeat the fact that if you bring 5 guys that scores 30 points a game and pass 10 assists, you won't receive a 150 PPG and 50 APG team, you will receive a mess. The only reason Maccabi's management signed Farmar and Rochesti together is their panic because of the championship lost last season. They thought that if they bring two "israelis" stars that will secure the domestic title for sure a give them a good chance in EL, but they forget every other concept in team building.

Israeli media saying that Maccabi really want Coach Edelshtein for next year. If this is indeed the case, we can expect to see a more similar Maccabi next year. A real team of basketball players and not a bunch of soft outside shooters.
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Edelshtein , what a dramtic coach.around 10-attempt-per-game coach! absurd. a 30 year-step-back-paleolithic-coach. this is the worse market new in last 35 mta year
the problem is not having shooters, but the fact that,goodes first, didnt give the team org to allow them having good shooting chances. thats the biggest problem as our non-froncourt. look at other biggest teams. real cska fener oly, all teams have many shooters but they have the right ball moviment for them. with edelstein, probably the worse coach i could imagine, it means owners didint understand the real problem ,u too.
i watch euro club competitions , nt competions and italian league competition, and i n've never seen a worst coach than edelstein. mta 2016-17 would be finish before starting
 
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Levenspiel said:
Some of their projected transfers did not happen in the end, but I had thought Maccabi built one of the better rosters in the off-season. Way off prediction on my part.

As for the last game, it was totally unexpected (even for refs) to see a team like Maccabi trying what they did and contemplating even to score their own basket, but I did not personally find it too embarrassing. They did not want to give up without trying a desperate trick. Anyway, they are everything but an embarrassment to bball. One terrible season, that's all.
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scoring own basket is normal, you think? i think this is not sports.
 
baldur said:
scoring own basket is normal, you think? i think this is not sports.
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It is more of a philosophical question of how do you define sports?

Maccabi (As I see it, most of the Maccabi fans would probably disagree) is not a European club, and not even an Israeli one. It is an American organisation located in middle east and playing in Europe. The only value is winning. For years Maccabi were destroying Israeli domestic league and using every ugly trick in the book in order to eliminate opponents in the Israeli league.

The problem with the game ending wasn't Maccabi but the Euroleague system, In scenarios like this you shouldn't count OT point differentiation. A true winner would have dunk the f***** ball in his own basket if this would bring him an inch closer to the next round.

This is the difference between winners and losers while the name of Maradona is written in golden letters, England team had 30 years of whining... One of the biggest shots of MJ career was 100% offensive foul on Russell and he would have done it again. When a true winner can't win gracefully he will win ugly but still win.

The biggest problem of this team that it doesn't have talent and at the same time doesn't have character, poor Pnini has to deal with guys that came from Russian / Turkish team with a long tradition of loosing and can't even imagine to act nasty when they play like crap.
 
You made a big mistake with extending Devin Smith's contract for 3 years
 
The Aztec Eggplant said:
Every move we did this summer should be called a big mistake.
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except rochestie, i was the lonely mta fan who said it BEFORE not now. i'm not meanting i'm the most expert mta fan. i just write it because had to be clear to everybody but unfortunatly pasison make blind
 
Metec said:
It is more of a philosophical question of how do you define sports?

Maccabi (As I see it, most of the Maccabi fans would probably disagree) is not a European club, and not even an Israeli one. It is an American organisation located in middle east and playing in Europe. The only value is winning. For years Maccabi were destroying Israeli domestic league and using every ugly trick in the book in order to eliminate opponents in the Israeli league.

The problem with the game ending wasn't Maccabi but the Euroleague system, In scenarios like this you shouldn't count OT point differentiation. A true winner would have dunk the f***** ball in his own basket if this would bring him an inch closer to the next round.

This is the difference between winners and losers while the name of Maradona is written in golden letters, England team had 30 years of whining... One of the biggest shots of MJ career was 100% offensive foul on Russell and he would have done it again. When a true winner can't win gracefully he will win ugly but still win.

The biggest problem of this team that it doesn't have talent and at the same time doesn't have character, poor Pnini has to deal with guys that came from Russian / Turkish team with a long tradition of loosing and can't even imagine to act nasty when they play like crap.
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haha yeah pnini is a superstar, he is a game changer, he is a key player if he doesnt have to play along crap players coming from turkish-russian teams like taylor rochestie, jordan farmar, devin smith. you made my day.
 
baldur said:
haha yeah pnini is a superstar, he is a game changer, he is a key player if he doesnt have to play along crap players coming from turkish-russian teams like taylor rochestie, jordan farmar, devin smith. you made my day.
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You are making the same mistake that cause Turkish and Russian team to underachieve (relative to their budget) for so many years.

I didn't say that Pnini is a superstar, I said that he may be the only player in Maccabi that have "Maccabi" character, the same character that kept the team in the very top even when the budget was average at most. He is the closest thing we have to Derick Sharp in current squad. Sharp also wasn't as good as Anderson (just an example) but still influenced much more on the team.

And yes, Farmar haven't had any successful full European season before Maccabi. Rochesti failed in bigger clubs and was good when the pressure was low. I didn't mentioned Smith at all, the guy did so much for Maccabi and one bad half season will not take it away from him.

The bottom line is that in every team you need a mix of things.. This year Maccabi may have won in 5 one on one matches against the Maccabi of 2013-14, the difference is that then we were able to construct a TEAM this year we had a bunch of talented individuals, and yep.. poor Pnini, who understands his role in the team very well, had to bear those assholes who doesn't understand where they are.
 
Well, we are only writing about Rochestie and Farmar in detail but it was the whole team that wasn't working well. It never had anything to do with Goodes or with Tabak or with any other coach on the planet. Maccabi was lacking big men, athleticism and defense. It had plenty of shooters but your shooters are on their own, when you don't have any inside presence. The whole season long, Mbakwe didn't set one strong screen. He merely fakes his screens and then doesn't roll to the basket. Rochestie and Farmar can't play pick'n roll. The team didn't have that ballhandling athletic slasher who can finish his drives to the basket. Apparently, Landesberg was supposed to be such a player but his ballhandling is average at most and his FG percentage is awful. Siena is a bad comparison because it flourished, when it had Bobby Brown, who could take any defender to the basket, was athletic and could shoot from the outside. Siena had a lot of transition baskets but the transition game results from good defense.

Maccabi has had simply too many glaring holes in the roster this season. Their two leading guards never proved to be worth their contracts.

The only thing I wish Maccabi for its next Euroleague season, it must have one guy responsible for transfers. Not different managers working against each other and thus against team success. It doesn'T have to spend more. Just spend wisely, as it has done in the past. Make defense and playmaking its priority again. As Pnini, Smith and Landesberg still have contracts, Maccabi will have enough shooters on the wings. It it wants to keep Mbakwe, who is an ultimate fighter, a great offensive rebounder and solid from the FT line, fine, but the other center should be able to score with his back to the basket. If they want to keep Randle, whom I like but who had a bad season (too many defensive letdowns), the other PF must have a more solid shot and a good understanding of set offense. Someone like Marko Banic, for example. He had a fabulous last year for Alba. Unfortunately, they will go with Bender, who imho should go on loan for a year. Farmar has to go. Ohayon and Rochestie are under contract but I'm not happy with this combo. They need a tall and athletic SG/SF, who can slash on the one end and defende on the other.

First: identity.
Second: signing players according to your identity.
 
following just il league highlits i'm in need to underline that ,even comnsidering last two el maches, it seems that ball moviment is improved by tabak and a better perimrtral off org so 3 points attempting consequentially are much more than before.
this is very interesting by mta tha never moved ball like this. obviosly this is just a limitadet fact, but i'd follow i with interest
is there anybody who knows in last spanish experience, how many 3 points attempting per game by tabak's team ?
 
What can you say about Maccabi's management that hasn't been said already? Every time you think they had already hit rock bottom, they manage to break their own records of incompetence.
Gal Makel has not been released by Crvena Zvezda, he will miss tomorrow's league game (leaving Rochestie as a single PG) and if this isn't resolved by the end of the week, he will also miss the entire group stage in the Eurocup.
Really, Federmans? Couldn't you have seen it coming? you knew he was in dispute with his team, you knew he had filed a BAT case against CZ. Couldn't you have checked with CZ and resolved this beforehand? Now CZ has a hold on your balls. How does it feel?

Even when they have a good idea and do something right for once, they are somehow able to f**k it up. It's like a special talent, a gift.
 
TheMirror said:
What can you say about Maccabi's management that hasn't been said already? Every time you think they had already hit rock bottom, they manage to break their own records of incompetence.
Gal Makel has not been released by Crvena Zvezda, he will miss tomorrow's league game (leaving Rochestie as a single PG) and if this isn't resolved by the end of the week, he will also miss the entire group stage in the Eurocup.
Really, Federmans? Couldn't you have seen it coming? you knew he was in dispute with his team, you knew he had filed a BAT case against CZ. Couldn't you have checked with CZ and resolved this beforehand? Now CZ has a hold on your balls. How does it feel?

Even when they have a good idea and do something right for once, they are somehow able to f**k it up. It's like a special talent, a gift.
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Maccabi gave up on this season and already preparing for the next one.
The signing of Mekel is solely for the domestic competition: Maccabi need more Israelis to avoid last years fiasco with the Israelis because of injuries. In the long run they prefer to have Mekel just to take a good Israeli from Jerusalem, I can't see how the Mekel-Ohayon combo would work in the long run, it is like having Farmar-Rochesti in the same team, they both seat on the exact same role.

The signing of Millsap is totally unexpected even when you consider this season as a done deal. The guy left an awful reputation in Ashdod 2 years ago while trying to find his spot in a team that is fighting against relegation. Other than that he played in the D-League and in the Philippines, not a very impressing history for a 28 year old player.

I'm a little bit worried about the fact that it seems like Maccabi haven't learned anything from this season. Maccabi must build a balanced team with orientation to strong defence a high athletic abilities, this approach helped Maccabi overachieve in the last 10 years. This year "outscoring" / "outside shooting" / "thin & weak players" approach lead Maccabi to the worst season in the new millennium.
 
to il guys
is there at least one lonly media that is writing of this present as a so serious present and that condamned new duo mekel simmons ??
i think it would be many important media's pressure about this actual incredibly present
 
Maccabi keep breaking negative records. Lost 91-56 against Maccabi Haifa today.
Worst scoring performance for Maccabi ever (21 out of the 56 points came in the last quarter).

Maccabi played without 3 major players, but still, it is hard to remember so much helplessness in a Maccabi team during a domestic competition.
 
Metec said:
Maccabi keep breaking negative records. Lost 91-56 against Maccabi Haifa today.
Worst scoring performance for Maccabi ever (21 out of the 56 points came in the last quarter).

Maccabi played without 3 major players, but still, it is hard to remember so much helplessness in a Maccabi team during a domestic competition.
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thinking mekel could be a positive factor it was a crazy fatal step for maccabi and our next 3 years
 
Well at least Mekel can do what other players on this team can't, including your idol Brian Randle: walk on two legs.
At least he can defend, unlike your other idol Rochestie, who no matter how much he scores - he is worth more points for the other team scored on him.
 
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