it was another team. much stronger players and an home game. this team cant win in turkey by 11. yes i hope, sure, but not optimistic.
As always, an easy fact check would help. This game was being played in Vitoria, in front of a 9.320 strong hostile crowd.
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=272&seasoncode=E2001
I'm not very optimistic, too, but a game is over, when it is over.
im not impressed by a match vs a team with no motivation as bamberg. anyway mta play same orrible bball as under goodes. i was to change coach, but with a much better coach. tabak never showed something like a coach till now and he didint learn anything from laso offensive org if i look at mata offensieve style.
Well, the difference between Tabak's and Goodes' style this year is evident. On defense, Maccabi doesn't use automatic switches and is pressing the ballhandler more. On offense, Maccabi runs more, shoots more from the outside, hardly does have isolation plays.
Bamberg came motivated. They still had a chance for the second playce and no desire to go to Russia three times in the next round- Bamberg is a confident team in its abilities and don't want to have a psychological meltdown by the end of the first round. They didn't try to let their deep bench play more. They came to win it but Maccabi was simply better and more agile on both ends of the floor.
sure , the main problem is the player's choice, but if u really consider mta as a top spender team u are from reality. we never confirm best players, we always bet and sure, with really few ability choosing the right player for us as in the past.we are even based part of pur market on temporary players, thats why u are one step to be out. they simply tried betting without spending money. they counted on investing just after reg season. their counts sisint consider with onuaku u cant get top16 and i guess they are in the middle of a big regret having no time machine to come back to august and add a different front court. what about randle saga? hey cutted him and adding him again saving some pennies.do u think they choose goodes for his ability or because of his salary?[[/B]
Maccabi spends 17 mio a year. So, it does not belong to top spenders in Europe? Of course, it's a long way to a team that spends 45 mio a year but it's a top 10 place quite sure. And with the abundance of teams in European basketball, yes, this is the top.
We prolongue contracts, when it seems plausible. There are players that are not hard to replace, especially scoring guards. If someone wants 1.5 - 2.0 mio, let him go. You will always find a player of the same caliber for 25% of this price tag. Sometimes betting pays off. Sometimes, it doesn't. The ratio with Maccabi is like 20:1 that it pays off.
Randle wasn't prolongued and then signed not because of pennies but because of a big difference in his salary before and after. Onuaku is the last problem this team has. Faverani and Farmar have cost at least 1.6 mio together but were never able to help this team in any way. If Onuaku would be the third center, it would be absolutely okay. The problem is, he became part of the rotation not because he is good but because Faverani was a big bust. Different story than third center Shawn James and third center Alex Tyus soe years ago, against whom you have been bitching from day one (against both of them). Onuaku was signed for three months with the hope that Faverani gets his act together.
Farmar is money thrown away. With Rochestie and Ohayon, why do you need a third and expensive PG who soesn't have size, plays no D, is not physical? Why do you sign Yavzuri with the abundance of Israeli guards on the roster?
Many mistakes were done this offseason because there were too many hands involved.
Goodes was kept because of being part of the success two years ago and a good rookie head coach season at Maccabi. He was not expensive, knew the system and had no status to confront the management seriously.
u clearely dont see a reality that is much over results. after the title something happened. and this is not simply one bad season (last year was dramatic too. when u have no chance in playoff series, u are an av team). this season it whould say what about our future.
here u are right. i m not for all players simply beacuse they wear yellow. i cant be for onuaku or ohayon or planninic or or or
Resuts are the only reality. Results and means to achieve them.
Last season was great. Very strong team, the future undisputed champion were beaten along the way. In the playoffs, Maccabi had Fener on the ropes in game #1 and lost at the end just because of a too narrow rotation. One more player for 7-8 minutes and Maccabi would have pulled it out. Goodes was to blame here. Game #2 went clearly to Fener and game #3 was absolutely even and lost by one point. Three games were played, two of them were superbly close with each team having the same chance to win it.
Yes, I'm also not for any player to come to Maccabi. But when he is here and wears yellow, I will cheer him and push him, when he is on the court, wanting him to contribute positively. You will continue bitching, showing no support but the management will never sign anyone else in this particular season, so you complaint will be in vain.
When I have weaker players on my amateur team, I will especially cheer every good action of theirs, motivate them, simply because I know that they are there and try to give their best. Yes, they are less talented, they are less effective, I wish, I'd have better players but I don't have better players. So, I work with what I have. Imagine, what would be, if I'd say that I don't want to work with guys below certain level in this team. This would show my weakness. Not theirs.
Yes, this example is different from a professional team, where you are paying money to players. But there are still guys on the roster. Players come and players go. But you are cheering for a club. Not a particular lineup. You can#t take a year off, saying, you have no interest in supportin the club this year because you don't like the players. If you do so, you are not a fan. There is nothing to discuss. You can wish for better, you can regret bad management decisions but you won't concentrate on them seven days a week.
no, we should play with better players and better coaches. better players usually coasts more
What we "should do" is theory. Sometimes, fantasy. We have to go with reality. Maccabi has a history of discovering talent and not overpaying players. Better this than CSKA or Fener style.
it depend on the reason. if they have money and dont want to spend,or if they have no money but doesnt search for new partners, yes i would never fill nokia preferring tv and leaving them alone.
You are right. Leave them alone. You are not a fan. You are a hypocrite. Maccabi has a budget and is operating within its budget. Who has told you, this club has more money to spend? Just because other businesses have made it owners rich people? Who has told you, they are obliged to invest more? They have their own limits and are doing well within these limits.
supporting? i do suppoert mta always, but i'd never go to nokia. is much much different
Lately, you are talking much about Hapoel. Why don't you follow Jerusalem? Why aren't you supporting them? You are all for Maccabi because Maccabi has much more success.
I support both teams equally on European level. Because they are Israeli teams.
That you'd never go to Nokia is theory. You don't have a chance to go there. That's the reality.
this is simply stupid. the fact i'd prefere a much "yugodslavian/european bball style by mta is true, but it cant be the reason i hate those mediocre ownership. dont mix uo things
In all the years you are whining at this platform, Maccabi has been a perennial playoff team, playing in the final twice, getting one title. No debts, no financial problems. A healthy balance. All lawsuits won. No overpaid players. Sportive success. So, the mediocre ownership is probably not so mediocre. The management is mediocre. Not the ownership. But the lately mediocre management was bested by superb coaching and good chemistry. This season is different and nobody is trying to talk this season good.
What is Yugoslavian style? US basketball contains much more outside shooting by any player on the floor. Just switch on the TV and watch some NBA. The only aspect European basketball has over the NBA is more sophisticated set play. When you have to play three times a week, you have no chance to prepare yourself for each and every opponent. You go out and beat them with superior individual skills and good shooting percentages. In Europea, things are different and I like them that way.
What you call "Yugoslavian style" is sth. that flared up in the 1970ies due to Cresimir Cosic and nothing else. It is all about his name only. At the same time, Alexandr Belov used to be a mobile big man in the USSR. You had lots of mobile bigs in the States. Go and read the history of basketball. Watch some old games. The ABA was full of such players.
I just imagine next week. Should Maccabi really pull this one out and advance, every Maccabi fan will be happy, while you will be the only one complaining over and over again, wishing, the team would not advance because this would allegedly make the managemtn think that they can continue with bad signings. As if the management doesn't see their own mistakes and as f the press is not writing about them every day...
