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Svajunas2
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Since Dimsa is obviously injured, Maksvytis has no choice but to give in.
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Straight forward2
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2.2eff kinda guy in the final. If Trinch stays, which I think he definitely will, Dimsa should be a gonner. And that's not gonna be EL club. A little bit of a reality ticket for him as a player and for some of his hardcore fans here.
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Giedraitis played less than usual in that game because he couldn't stop Foster which was his main mission. Logical? Logical. But to listen to you, Dovis was great defensively even sitting on the bench
Btw, you spot on a right thing. Dovis wasn't aggressive offensively to make Foster troubles in defense and maybe to cut American's minutes. But the thing is that he can't be aggressive enough offensively to do so. So that match up stopped Foster in the first 2 games (and didn't stop at all in the next 2 games) and didn't bother Foster on the other side of the court. So, all in all it's so so i would say. Nothing so great like you say.
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Giedraitis played less than usual in that game because he couldn't stop Foster which was his main mission. Logical? Logical. But to listen to you, Dovis was great defensively even sitting on the bench
Btw, you spot on a right thing. Dovis wasn't aggressive offensively to make Foster troubles in defense and maybe to cut American's minutes. But the thing is that he can't be aggressive enough offensively to do so. So that match up stopped Foster in the first 2 games (and didn't stop at all in the next 2 games) and didn't bother Foster on the other side of the court. So, all in all it's so so i would say. Nothing so great like you say.
No, he didn't play more in third game not because he played bad D, but because Trinch wanted to increase rotation. Simple.
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Shawshank2
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Giedraitis with 6pts in 27min almost carry zalgiris to win vs 33pts from Foster 
Sumner scored back to back 20pts games in lkl finals in limited time,but he is unplayable in lkl right ?
Zalgiris dont need his scoring in game endings... lets plays all 3 endings with combination of Lekavicius+Giedraitis and loosing all 3 game endings to secondary level americans guard tandem
Sumner scored back to back 20pts games in lkl finals in limited time,but he is unplayable in lkl right ?
Zalgiris dont need his scoring in game endings... lets plays all 3 endings with combination of Lekavicius+Giedraitis and loosing all 3 game endings to secondary level americans guard tandem
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Giedraitis with 6pts in 27min almost carry zalgiris to win vs 33pts from Foster
Sumner scored back to back 20pts games in lkl finals in limited time,but he is unplayable in lkl right ?
Zalgiris dont need his scoring in game endings... lets plays all 3 endings with combination of Lekavicius+Giedraitis and loosing all 3 game endings to secondary level americans guard tandem
He couldn't do nothing later. Just jack off bad threes or get blocked down the road. His scoring style is very opportunistic and always on the edge of the turnover or bad shot and you don't rely and mad decision maker down the stretch. Personally I feel well why Trinch didn't play him at crunch time. He could still be in with 6-4 minutes to go though. Sumner is surely not a piece that I would love to build my EL team around. Way unreliable.
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I know he has no skills no brain,he just runs fast,jumps high ,have no fear and scores points thats what combo americans players does
Thats style of those american scorers and why they are very dangerous even versus good defence in endings.
Sumner was in Evans shadow thats was fine when Zalgiris had Evans.But when they lost Evans we saw what Sumner can do in offence if you give him freedom.
But Trinchieri thinks is better to play all 3 endings with very limited offensive SG Giedraitis with 6pts in 27minutes.
Cole and Foster isnt some mind masters in playmaker either and both is bad defenders but Zibenas trust them in game endings and i understand why
Thats style of those american scorers and why they are very dangerous even versus good defence in endings.
Sumner was in Evans shadow thats was fine when Zalgiris had Evans.But when they lost Evans we saw what Sumner can do in offence if you give him freedom.
But Trinchieri thinks is better to play all 3 endings with very limited offensive SG Giedraitis with 6pts in 27minutes.
Cole and Foster isnt some mind masters in playmaker either and both is bad defenders but Zibenas trust them in game endings and i understand why
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Foster's playing style is way different and much more divers than Sumner's. Sumner relies on straight line drives and quickness, athleticism. Foster has handles, shiftness, fade away shots and he is sturdy and tough in his drives. He's less athletic, but way more skilled and incomparably better shooter. Besides, Foster pretty much sucked in first 2 games. It's not like either of them are perfect. Just the better team won.
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Shawshank2
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Team who had more skilled guards won 3 game endings
Thats how 2020s basketball endings works
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Dreamcatcher2
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I just found out that Trinchieri lost not 4, but the last 6 domestic leagues. Even 7, but i believe that Bamberg losing to Bayern in 2018 was understandable.
2019. Partizan lost semifinals to Crvena Zvezda.
2020. Partizan lost semifinals to Crvena Zvezda.
2021. Bayern lost finals to Alba. While in EL Bayern had a great season finishing 5 (Alba only 16).
2022. Bayern lost finals to Alba with the same result (1-3). While in EL Bayern again had a good season finishing 8 (Alba 10).
2023. Bayern sensationally lost finals to Ulm with the same result (1-3).
2024. Zalgiris lost finals to Rytas with the same freaking 1-3 result.
Don't you think it's a bit scandalous?
2019. Partizan lost semifinals to Crvena Zvezda.
2020. Partizan lost semifinals to Crvena Zvezda.
2021. Bayern lost finals to Alba. While in EL Bayern had a great season finishing 5 (Alba only 16).
2022. Bayern lost finals to Alba with the same result (1-3). While in EL Bayern again had a good season finishing 8 (Alba 10).
2023. Bayern sensationally lost finals to Ulm with the same result (1-3).
2024. Zalgiris lost finals to Rytas with the same freaking 1-3 result.
Don't you think it's a bit scandalous?
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My understanding he good tactical coach and it works at first part of season,but im skeptical about his ability to unite groups and make deep connection with his players that they would play from their hearts
By end of the season Trinchieri players already realised that he i fake human being. Trinchieri is smart dude that knows how to look nice in conference,but players sees his real face for 7 months when no cameras is on.
Thats my explanation why by end of the season he is loosing all those finals to weaker teams. His players simply dont fight hard for fake human being by the end of it
Zalgiris lithuanians fought hard because they know that is not acceptable to lose to Rytas.
Smit, Manek,Rivers clearly wanted no part of Tinchieri by the end and other foreigners wasnt very invested fighting hard either.
Look at Rytas foreigners my god they were ready to die on the floor no less than rytas lithuanians
By end of the season Trinchieri players already realised that he i fake human being. Trinchieri is smart dude that knows how to look nice in conference,but players sees his real face for 7 months when no cameras is on.
Thats my explanation why by end of the season he is loosing all those finals to weaker teams. His players simply dont fight hard for fake human being by the end of it
Zalgiris lithuanians fought hard because they know that is not acceptable to lose to Rytas.
Smit, Manek,Rivers clearly wanted no part of Tinchieri by the end and other foreigners wasnt very invested fighting hard either.
Look at Rytas foreigners my god they were ready to die on the floor no less than rytas lithuanians
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The most sensible thing for Coach Maksvytis would be to call up the PG/SG from the winning team, Margiris Normantas. Not only was he better than Tomas Dimša or Dovydas Giedraitis in the regular season, he was much better than either in the LKL final.
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Hepcat2
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Who are Dimša's hardcore fans here on this board? I don't believe there are any on this board. (I'm defining "hardcore" as those who might count Dimša among their favourite two or three guards.)
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zalias2
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giedraitis was better in the finals both defensively and offensively. higher usage on a worse team with better stats does not mean a player is better
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Nonsense!!! You're nothing but a fanboy of a single team. (Your posts are overwhelmingly Žalgiris related.) As a result you view Žalgiris players through rose tinted glasses.
Excuse me but better isn't determined by a team's budget or a player's salary. Better is as better does! Here are the facts:
1. Rytas outscored Žalgiris 362 to 360 over four games in the LKL Final and won three of them.
2. Margiris Normantas compiled total Efficiency of 52 in 84 minutes in those four games. Dovydas Giedraitis compiled Efficiency of only 45 in 117 minutes. What's that you were saying about usage? What's that you were saying about better?
3. Normantas averaged Efficiency of 11.7 over 21:54 minutes of playing time in 35 LKL games this past season. Giedraitis averaged Efficiency of only 6.0 over 19:59 minutes of playing time in 40 LKL games this past season. What's that you were saying about better?
Judge a player by his game performance; judge a player by his production. Look at objective results and spare me/us the subjective verbiage.
Interesting that many of you Žalgiris fans work relentlessly at being ill will ambassadors for your team. For example insisting that such-and-such a Žalgiris player is automatically better than his competitors on other LKL teams regardless of production, laying out a red carpet for Žalgiris players to the national team as opposed to insisting they play their way onto the team, being dismissive of any discussion of teams such as Neptūnas, Juventus, Šiauliai or Pieno Žvaigždės because "nobody" (people living in Kaunas and Vilnius) cares, that type of arrogance earns your team no friends.
Like I say, judge a team not by their payroll but by their play as determined by game scores; judge a player not by his salary but by his production. All else is subjective and thus intrinsically biased crap.
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But for the second year in a row Martynas Paliukėnas of Mažeikiai was voted the best defender in the LKL by his fellow players. Dovydas Giedraitis was well behind in second place.
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Interesting comparing the unheralded Martynas Paliukėnas to the much touted (at least by the Žalgiris fan contingent) Dovydas Giedraitis. Now we already know that Paliukėnas is more highly rated as a defender by his peers. Here though are some other numbers including per game stats from the 2023-24 LKL season:
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[TD]MIN[/TD]
[TD]POINTS[/TD]
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[TD]FT%[/TD]
[TD]ASSISTS[/TD]
[TD]STEALS[/TD]
[TD]T/O[/TD]
[TD]EFF[/TD]
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[TD]Martynas Paliukėnas[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]26:06[/TD]
[TD]10.2[/TD]
[TD]22.8[/TD]
[TD]64.1[/TD]
[TD]5.0[/TD]
[TD]1.8[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]12.8[/TD]
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[TD]Dovydas Giedraitis[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]19:59[/TD]
[TD]6.0[/TD]
[TD]36.9[/TD]
[TD]78.0[/TD]
[TD]1.9[/TD]
[TD]1.0[/TD]
[TD]0.7[/TD]
[TD]6.0[/TD]
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Despite the fact that Paliukėnas can't shoot worth a damn, he's a much better floor general and a more effective offensive player overall. So Giedraitis evidently comes out second best on both sides of the floor.
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[TD]MIN[/TD]
[TD]POINTS[/TD]
[TD]3PT%[/TD]
[TD]FT%[/TD]
[TD]ASSISTS[/TD]
[TD]STEALS[/TD]
[TD]T/O[/TD]
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[TD]Martynas Paliukėnas[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]26:06[/TD]
[TD]10.2[/TD]
[TD]22.8[/TD]
[TD]64.1[/TD]
[TD]5.0[/TD]
[TD]1.8[/TD]
[TD]2.9[/TD]
[TD]12.8[/TD]
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[TD]Dovydas Giedraitis[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]19:59[/TD]
[TD]6.0[/TD]
[TD]36.9[/TD]
[TD]78.0[/TD]
[TD]1.9[/TD]
[TD]1.0[/TD]
[TD]0.7[/TD]
[TD]6.0[/TD]
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Despite the fact that Paliukėnas can't shoot worth a damn, he's a much better floor general and a more effective offensive player overall. So Giedraitis evidently comes out second best on both sides of the floor.
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Toruko2
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I expect Nenad Canak to be fired very soon.
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Toruko2
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Double post.
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Dreamcatcher2
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Look at this roster - it's crappy. And in LKL they have been wining games so far.
On the other hand both Lietkabelis and Wolves suck in Eurocup by loosing all their games (0-3 both of them so far). In addition, Rytas also badly started in CL as always. So, apart of Zalgiris all Lith clubs have been very disappointing in Europe so far.
Wolves is meh. They have some good quality foreigners, but not a single good Liths maybe apart of Zemaitis. But even him and few other mediocre locals play worse than they can. Team without emotions.