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Lithuanian Basketball League (LKL) 2022-23

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Murauskas, man. We have a player in him. Best 18yo in LKL since Valanciunas.
 
IDK if Murauskas can sustain such numbers, but there's the comparison so far:

18yo Valanciunas in LKL 16,3eff
18yo Murauskas 13,4eff

The level of the teams more or less the same.
 
Straight forward said:
LKL is among TOP 10 Domestic Leagues in the world, if anything :) It's not some desert in the middle of no-where as you imagine, at least I get that sense :) Canak says it's more physical than Germany's BBL, IDK if that's true, but it's surely PRO league.
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Recently #10 in Europe
 
Straight forward said:
IDK if Murauskas can sustain such numbers, but there's the comparison so far:

18yo Valanciunas in LKL 16,3eff
18yo Murauskas 13,4eff

The level of the teams more or less the same.
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How the hell the level of the teams is more or less the same??? That Rytas was quite strong even in terms of EL getting to top16 and winning 3 games out of 6 there. You will not find in Lietkabelis players like El-Amin, Bajramovic, Bjelica, Newley...And since Panevezis' team regressed after last season this comparison can't even exist...
 
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Dreamcatcher said:
How the hell the level of the teams is more or less the same??? That Rytas was quite strong even in terms of EL getting to top16 and winning 3 games out of 6 there. You will not find in Lietkabelis players like El-Amin, Bajramovic, Bjelica, Newley...And since Panevezis' team regressed after last season this comparison can't even exist...
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Well that team went 4:1 against fairly average Zalgiris in LKL final (at that time Pocius and Jankunas were best players of Zalgiris basically). OK, the team was stronger. But we still talk about top 3 clubs of LKL generally, that's what I meant.

El-Amin...I mean the guy who played only in Eurocup except that season in Rytas...Same goes to Newley, Bajramovic. Sorry, I don't see fundamental difference between the team which is lead by El-Amin/Gecevicius and Morris/Kristian Kullamae.
 
Straight forward said:
Well that team went 4:1 against fairly average Zalgiris in LKL final (at that time Pocius and Jankunas were best players of Zalgiris basically). OK, the team was stronger. But we still talk about top 3 clubs of LKL generally, that's what I meant.

El-Amin...I mean the guy who played only in Eurocup except that season in Rytas...Same goes to Newley, Bajramovic. Sorry, I don't see fundamental difference between the team which is lead by El-Amin/Gecevicius and Morris/Kristian Kullamae.
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It's not even serious to speak about smth here...Lietkabelis is more or less of the same level of the current Rytas who would do nothing or almost nothing in EL. 2010-11 Rytas was on the edge of top8 in EL. And the current one is badly struggling in CL. What a bad idea to compare Lietkabelis with that EL level Rytas.
 
Dreamcatcher said:
It's not even serious to speak about smth here...Lietkabelis is more or less of the same level of the current Rytas who would do nothing or almost nothing in EL. 2010-11 Rytas was on the edge of top8 in EL. And the current one is badly struggling in CL. What a bad idea to compare Lietkabelis with that EL level Rytas.
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What kind of EL level? :) I mean your guards are f...El Amin and Gecevicius :) There's no defense in the backcourt. That TOP 16 was obviously trash. They would stand the last in today's EL. Bjelica is the only guy there in the roster who was EL level player at that time generally. You're dreaming. That freakin' EL had scrubs as Rytas, Spirou Charleroi, Prokom, Cibona, Cholet and so on. Freakin' Union Olimpia was a strong team that season statistically which says a lot...CSKA was complete trash that season. IMO, we can't even compare that EL with what we have recently. It's trash. Yeah, even Neptunas was in EL once and grabbed some wins, that that make Neptunas EL level club? No at all, just a beginners luck and crappy EL level evidence.

Look at f...Rytas roster. Who was the the player what you would instantly put ahead Morris, Kullamae, Sakic? There's no such player. I mean there's no even such guy as Ch. Eidson, S. Jasikevicius or something like that. That season was trash and super mediocre Zalgiris (which didn't do anything in EL) without a single good foreigner swept that sissy Rytas in the final 4:1. End of the story...

Yeah, freakin top 16 from 24 teams and 16 bottom teams are trash...Tell me about it, dude. That EL aside 4-6 teams was complete trash compared to the rest. Now we have like 15 really competitive teams in EL.
 
Straight forward said:
What kind of EL level? :) I mean your guards are f...El Amin and Gecevicius :) There's no defense in the backcourt. That TOP 16 was obviously trash. They would stand the last in today's EL. Bjelica is the only guy there in the roster who was EL level player at that time generally. You're dreaming. That freakin' EL had scrubs as Rytas, Spirou Charleroi, Prokom, Cibona, Cholet and so on. Freakin' Union Olimpia was a strong team that season statistically which says a lot...CSKA was complete trash that season. IMO, we can't even compare that EL with what we have recently. It's trash. Yeah, even Neptunas was in EL once and grabbed some wins, that that make Neptunas EL level club? No at all, just a beginners luck and crappy EL level evidence.

Look at f...Rytas roster. Who was the the player what you would instantly put ahead Morris, Kullamae, Sakic? There's no such player. I mean there's no even such guy as Ch. Eidson, S. Jasikevicius or something like that. That season was trash and super mediocre Zalgiris (which didn't do anything in EL) without a single good foreigner swept that sissy Rytas in the final 4:1. End of the story...

Yeah, freakin top 16 from 24 teams and 16 bottom teams are trash...Tell me about it, dude. That EL aside 4-6 teams was complete trash compared to the rest. Now we have like 15 really competitive teams in EL.
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No, it's trash that you still seriously think that these teams are more or less the same.

Neptunas could win only home games because of a huge effort. But that Rytas could win against strong EL teams not only at home (like against Barca with Rubio, Mickeal, Lorbek), but also in away games against EL champ PAO (Batiste, Diamantidis) or Caja Laboral (Teletovic, Huertas). And you compare it with fucking Lietkabelis where the best players are Kullamae and Lipkevicius. It's madness.
 
That's just single out games. I didn't say Rytas was not stronger. What I'm saying that it's not teams from completely different tiers. You are wrong thinking some El-Amin is much better than Jamel Morrris (17ppg in Eurocup) or that Gecevicius is better than Kullamae (who us much more physical player and better defender). Sure that Rytas was deeper and better, but it was still just a solid Eurocup level club, that's all. You don't freakin' stay in EL for serious action with freakin' Eurocup materials as El-Amin, Gecevicius, Bajramovic and so on. They had no-core for real EL roster. JV was too young, Jasaitis past his prime. Solid Eurocup team, nothing more. Lietkabelis is just one step behind. Add some Milko Bjelica to current Liekabelis and you have basically the same rosters quality wise.

Liekabelis is more or less on the same tier as last season and last season Lietkabelis was sweeping Partizan in some games. That doesn't impress me much. 2010/2011 didn't have EL roster, period. Otherwise they wouldn't had been so hopeless against mediocre Zalgiris in the final.
 
If for you being able to win against EL champ in away game or to play equally against f4 team Siena (and that wasn't all) doesn't mean much then i can't do anything. And Rytas wasn't just a solid Eurocup team. At that days Rytas every season was good enough to be Eurocup contender. At that year's Eurocup season Rytas could easily win against any team except Unics. In the final there was Cajasol who ended 11th in ACB. Unicaja and Caja Laboral were highier and Rytas won against them at that EL season. And even against ACB champ Barca too. LKL finals at the end of the season were bad, but it doesn't change that Rytas was strong that season.

And yes, it's different level in comparison with Lietkabelis. I put an eye closely on its roster and i would say it's close to trash if we speak about smth serious. Griciunas isn't a replacement for Gagic. You didn't like Serbian pg last year but Peno is barely better. I would say there are only 6 players who can play: Kullamae, Morris, Lipkevicius, Maldunas, Murauskas, Sakic. G.Vasiliauskas who isn't a basketball player averages 8 min. You seriously think that this team could win against any strong EL team? Its a level of Eurocup mediocre team at best and there are a lot to do in LKL like to escape with a win in Jonava like yesterday...I would say that Vajnauskas jr. in his brief appearance in Panevezys did a great job bringing Canak who has been doing as much as it possible with this team so far.
 
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Dreamcatcher said:
If for you being able to win against EL champ in away game or to play equally against f4 team Siena (and that wasn't all) doesn't mean much then i can't do anything. And Rytas wasn't just a solid Eurocup team. At that days Rytas every season was good enough to be Eurocup contender. At that year's Eurocup season Rytas could easily win against any team except Unics. In the final there was Cajasol who ended 11th in ACB. Unicaja and Caja Laboral were highier and Rytas won against them at that EL season. And even against ACB champ Barca too. LKL finals at the end of the season were bad, but it doesn't change that Rytas was strong that season.

And yes, it's different level in comparison with Lietkabelis. I put an eye closely on its roster and i would say it's close to trash if we speak about smth serious. Griciunas isn't a replacement for Gagic. You didn't like Serbian pg last year but Peno is barely better. I would say there are only 6 players who can play: Kullamae, Morris, Lipkevicius, Maldunas, Murauskas, Sakic. G.Vasiliauskas who isn't a player averages 8 min. You seriously think that this team could win against any strong EL team? Its a level of Eurocup mediocre team and there are a lot to do in LKL like to escape with a win in Jonava like yesterday...I would say that Vajnauskas jr. in his brief appearance in Panevezys did a great job bringing Canak who has been doing as much as it possible with this team so far.
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Peno still has potential to play better. He's a strong defender and pretty good decision maker, recently had few good games so I hope he can do better. Peno and Goloman are disappointments thus far. If to add them (and there's a chance they still will deliver), you have pretty solid 8 men rotation. Off course, this Liekabelis team is much thinner than Rytas 2010, but that Rytas lacked true EL pieces. Besides, I think we only starting to see what Morris and Kullamae are truly worth.

To me to be a solid EL requires quite a lot. In that 2010 Rytas roster I see only Bjelica as serious EL player at that time. All others were Eurocup material, IMO. It's just my opinion, but again that Zalgiris in the final wasn't very impressive team...Begic as their best center :D Compare Begic with current Hayes...It's a day and night...
 
It would be nice if both Krivas and Murauskas played for Lietkabelis this season and we would get a sense who is more ready for PRO. I would still say Murauskas, but Krivas is also impressive. Tonight he dominated and brought a little bit of everything. But to be fair Pieno Zvaigzdes has no frontline. Most points were bunnies. But he's good, really good nevertheless.

D.Giedraitis looks good. Rusty, but even rusty Giedraitis is fundamentally sound guard. It will be very interesting how Dimsa and D. Giedraitis compete with each other once Giedraitis will be 100% ready.
 
That was a good game between Rytas and Lietkabelis. A crazy thing is that the team from Panevezys shoot threes better than free throws - 62,96% (17/27) against 61,29 (19/31). In OT Rytas had more stamina.

Rubstavicius could play more. He scored 14 min in only 16 min and played full 20 min in only 1 game.
 
Dreamcatcher said:
Rubstavicius could play more. He scored 14 min in only 16 min and played full 20 min in only 1 game.
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Lately he's good. Stepping forward.

Murauskas remains very consistent in LKL and contain that crazy shooting numbers.

Here's scouting report on him, pretty spot on with correct conclusion:

Despite the defensive limitations he offers, Murauskas? combination of positional size, shooting ability and productivity at the senior level for his age will certainly grant him some looks from NBA teams as a stretch forward who can add supplemental value with his ball-handling skills.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/international-spotlight-paulius-murauskas-shooting-potential
 
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