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Lebanon has 0% chance of WildCard

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The subject of this thread sounds weird and unfair since all the teams that we wanted to qualify from Americas did qualify and all the teams that didnt qualify are worse than Lebanon on the terms of Fiba rankings and level as i watched almost all their games ....According to the 4 wildcard teams picked in WBC 2006 they were picked as the best ranked teams(accoring to Fiba rankings) that did not qualify...Serbia(5th),Italy(8th),Puerto Rico(11th) and Turkey(14th).....This is also not 100% true cuz as i remember Canada when we beat them in a friendly game before the championship they were ranked better than Turkey but again Canada is always an exception cuz they are ranked much better than they are now and i am sure Fiba is aware of that since all their good results have come in the early 2000s . Serbia and Turkey did not even do well in the euro qualifiers as the top 6 qualify and these countries could not even get in the top 8 (Russia and another country were 7th and 8th).

In any case if this was the way Fiba was going to pick the teams again Lebanon is only 24th so the only way they will be picked was if the top 20 teams qualify and that already didnt happen when Jordan(39th),Tunisia(42nd) and Cote D'Ivoire(44th) qualified and there is also Nigeria(22nd) and Venezuala(23rd) ahead of Lebanon . If Fiba was to think a bit deeper than this , than Lebanon would be 100% in unless there was some major surprises in Europe and teams like Spain,Greece and Lithuania did not qualify :p the way i see it before the 4 teams get picked Europe will have 7 teams,America 5,Africa and Asia 3, and Oceania 2 ....The normal thing to do is to give Europe a max of 2 more cards , Americas 1 and Asia 1 ......Asia,s top 4 teams are so much better than anyone in Africa excluding Angola and Lebanon is by far better than Venezuala and Domincan Republic ..Venezuala is only better by the ranking which is kind of annoying if they c them as better than Leb so even if Fiba take 3 teams from Europe than the 4th team should be Leb . All this + Leb is 1 of the most passionate bball countries in the world which is y a small country like them who had so many war problems got all these results in Basketball since 2001 against much larger and world class countries and many people will argue that it is because of the lebanese americans from outside ..this has happened only this year as we have been in the top 4 in asia in 01 and 03 with only vogel and in 05 and 07 with only vogel and beshara(a lebanese american) so this was never the case ..infact we played better when we had 100% lebanese players like roy samaha,hussein tawbeh and Ali F ....

Lebanon has always been an underrated team and was never considered a top 4 team in asia until 2007 when we did it 3 times in a row ....so if they are underrated in asia than they would definitely be an underrated at the world stage and hopefully Fiba does not take teams like Nigeria(who does not have its full players and placed 7th at the africas champ.) and Venezuala(they did very bad at the americas and still have the same team that lost against us by 10 in the WBC2006 and our team has improved since than)...Lebanon is also so close to Turkey geographicly so if Fiba pick strong teams like Slovenia and Lithuania instead of Lebanon I would understand but to pick teams like Nigeria and Venezuala it would be a tragedy for Fiba as a decision maker and for Lebanon a country which deserves much more . I dont even know how VEN and NIG are above us in the rankings since we did so much better than them in the last 8 years maybe cuz asia is still seen as the weakest continent even though this year we are much better than Africa and also almost at the same level as the americas so if FIBA watches TV they should know how to pick teams and not solely on the rankings ....in 2006 we had 4 teams from asia(Japan as the host) so hopefully this year we will too ....
 
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Asia,s top 4 teams are so much better than anyone in Africa excluding Angola and Lebanon is by far better than Venezuala and Domincan Republic ..

You are joking, right?

man, u got some issues if u think asian teams are in the same level as the Dominicans
 
lebanon beat venezuala twice in 1 week back in 2006 ....venezuala had the same team as now while leb got new additions like ali kanaan,matt freijeh and jackson vroman replaced vogel...if u watch the 2 teams playing u can know which is better and DR has no system they really should have lost to uruguay had it not been for the referee ....when u c lebanon playing than u can know what im talking about
 
lebanon beat venezuala twice in 1 week back in 2006 ....venezuala had the same team as now while leb got new additions like ali kanaan,matt freijeh and jackson vroman replaced vogel...if u watch the 2 teams playing u can know which is better and DR has no system they really should have lost to uruguay had it not been for the referee ....when u c lebanon playing than u can know what im talking about
Lebanon beat France and that doesnt mean Lebanon is a better team than France. The frenchmans would win 9 out of 10 games. Venezuela is at the same level as Lebanon and other asian teams except China. Dominicans are on another level for the asian teams, even without a PG.
 
in my opinion. Lebanon,jordan and iran can beat DR,venezuela and any team in africa except angola..

\china had a very hard time against jordan and lebanon(super close game all throughout.. and they lost to Iran in the finals..

:cool:
 
I expect this scenario:

1 wild card to Dominican Republic
if European championship ends without surprises:
2 wild cards for Europe and 1 for Nigeria

if European Championships ends with surprises:
3 wild cards to Europe
 
If Lebanon didn't manage to quilify from weak Asia, it means that Lebanon doesn't deserve to play in WC.

FIBA gives to much spots for Africa and Asia and you want wild card...


Europe will get 3 wild cards and Americas one (Dominican Republic or Venezuela). For me it's obvious.
 
If Lebanon didn't manage to quilify from weak Asia, it means that Lebanon doesn't deserve to play in WC.

FIBA gives to much spots for Africa and Asia and you want wild card...


Europe will get 3 wild cards and Americas one (Dominican Republic or Venezuela). For me it's obvious.

they may not deserve it, but due to their circusmtances, they are likely to get one. Close to Turkey, recent sucess in FIBA Asia, fan support and $$$ may give them the wild card. The only thing in favor of the Dominican Republic is their talent and the huge upside they have as a team.
 
to all who like to promote the dominicans, does the FIBA give a team that didn't qualified in 31 years and that just missed the qualification the right to just waltz in to the world cup with a wild card ? gimme a break

i'm not going to compare them to lebanon so i dont read post they are better than us... they are better physical team than us,technically were even as far as skills and talent,they have routine we have little of it....ok they probably beat us 6-7 times in 10 games, we can beat them in 2 or 3 games out of 10, we aren't americas level team for now but we are not this bad team that we can't beat them for 2-3 games at least...but the FIBA isn't looking at if they can beat this or that team, read the criterias, where is their result in americas ?? anyone give me their record please... noone reply to me they are better than us..we know they are good, i expected them to qualify but they didn't...

the other criterias, popularity of the game..they have baseball as nr 1 sport, the organising committe (turkish federation) have a big word in choosing teams, have they good connections with turkey ? is their team good market for FIBA ? probably yes, but why is lebanon not a good market ? we are close to turkey and Al Jazeera is a FIBA partner and they have 300 million viewers that will give a boost for their viewers and FIBA want viewers to increse and we can get alot more fans to turkey, their population is 10 million while we have 300 million that can watch us because we are middleeast all like to watch our team....

and in ranking they are lower than us... and to be fair don't overlook Nigeria, they have/had alot more NBA players over the years if that's the "standard" and both finished 5th in their zones, so they stand equal but at least Nigeria has results in africa on senior, youth and womens level where DR is totally absent. And if Udoka made the layup against Germany they would have been in the QF in the last WC (i'm not promoting nigeria btw) but is 3 NBA players all that Fiba looking at ? I think/hope NOT .

Look at this marketing for FIBA , 10 million dominicans can follow the World Cup..
VS 300 million lebanese and arabs, in lebanon 5 million and diaspora of 15 million plus all the millions of others that can watch the Al Jazeera in africa, and europe who are lebanese/arab, which is the better market for FIBA and organising committee ??
 
If Lebanon didn't manage to quilify from weak Asia, it means that Lebanon doesn't deserve to play in WC.

FIBA gives to much spots for Africa and Asia and you want wild card...


Europe will get 3 wild cards and Americas one (Dominican Republic or Venezuela). For me it's obvious.


yes man i hope they give 20 wild cards to Europe so that poland might have a chance...
what is poland on the map of basketball...
for ur info watch the semifinal game between china-lebanon and see how the referee killed us in the game and the foul that killed us in the last 40 seconds...i hope someone post the link of that incident
 
yeah that referee really killed lebanon..i jumped on my sit when the ref called it a foul..im a filipino but my heart is also close to the lebanese team..

thats a very stupid call..
the player of lebanon is 6-8 inches away from the chinese player(is it qing peng)..no body contact at all..
 
Eurobasket is going to hurt them big time mainly because there are 9-10 teams who deserve to be in Turkey.

Lets say the following teams qualify - Spain, Croatia, France, Greece, Serbia, and Lithuania

That leaves out major European countries like Russia and Germany along with Slovenia. There's no way FIBA doesn't invite all three of those teams. And if not those teams, it will be three other European squads. Also, I heard Italy may buy a wildcard. So yeah

As far as the last spot goes, I think it will go to a team in the Americas.
 
it sounds like the same prob as in soccer, when israel which is ranked 22nd will probably be out of WC 2010 while it's ranked higher then every team in Asia i think or maybe one in asia is higher..
btw where can i find the FIBA rank?
actually i think that in basketball&soccer the WC qualification round should be mixed, teams from all over the world and not qualification round for every continent cuz it sux and sometimes stronger teams can't reach the WC because of the continent and not because of their level...
 
i guess it might be a stupid question but, whats a wild card?

it's a way of FIBA to get money from National teams who don't qualify for the World Championship (and don't deserve to be there), to let them participate in the Championship
 
it's a way of FIBA to get money from National teams who don't qualify for the World Championship (and don't deserve to be there), to let them participate in the Championship

if i got this right then its disgusting...world championship participation for money? WTF?! seriously its disgusting.. where the hell is the fair sport in here?
 
yes man i hope they give 20 wild cards to Europe so that poland might have a chance...
what is poland on the map of basketball...

hahaha

Have you got some problems with yourself? :)



Jeez, talking about money for a wild card...

Last time FIBA gave wild card to defending champion, olympic games finalist, future host of the tournament and Puerto Rico.


Yes. We've got great level European Championship and then at Olympics and WC (especially WC) we should watch all this teams, that should never play on any international level tournament...

Why? Beacause FIBA gives them to many spots...


Look at the last 12 teams of WC 2006. Have you seen any european teams there?

Oh, and there is Lebanon in that 12! I can't understand how it happened, because they are so GREAT in basketball...
 
i never knew poland had a fan :) lebanon is ranked 24th and poland is 57th if im not mistaken i know the fiba rankings are not 100% but when the 2 teams are that far apart in the ranking i think there would be a difference in the level and we beat kazakhaztan 105-56 a team ranked 37th a rank u might never ever reach hahahah :p
 
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