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Still, Dongbu Promy is a force to be reckoned with as their record shows too. Good luck to both teams, this will be a good series.
Still, Dongbu Promy is a force to be reckoned with as their record shows too. Good luck to both teams, this will be a good series.
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Dongbu Promy 63 LG Sakers 55
Dongbu Promy 63 LG Sakers 55
The Promy kicked off the playoffs with a win in a very strange opening game. Hwang Jin Won led the Promy in scoring with 19 while Moon Tae Young/Greg Stevens led the Sakers with 13. Some general thoughts
- The Promy played as sloppy as I've ever seen them. They had 17 turnovers and most were passes thrown to places where no one was. They also missed a ton of free throws shooting 8/17.
- LG was brutal from behind the arc hitting only 3 of 16. The game was close down the stretch as well so it wasn't like a lot of those came out of desperation in the last few minutes.
- Also one of the worst officiated games I've seen on both sides. Tons of ghost fouls, no calls, LG's entire frontcourt was in foul trouble the whole game and Greg Stevens fouled out with four minutes to go on a double foul with Kim Ju Sung. They were running down the court, Kim Ju Sung ran into him and flailed like he'd been shot and fell down. It was a terrible call.
- The Sakers' coach got a tech after Stevens fouled out and Stevens deserved one as well.
- That said Stevens picks up a ton of offensive fouls because he pushes off all the time and uses his off hand to create space when he goes up.
- The other problem with the Sakers' front court being in foul trouble was that the Promy were able to post up Benson, Kim Ju Sung, and Yoon Ho Young and be pretty unstoppable. Except in the fourth quarter when they stopped posting these guys up for no apparent reason and the Sakers came back to make the game close. Logic in coaching continues to be a big issue with the Promy.
- In the 3rd quarter with the game very close the Promy put in rookie An Jae Ok at point guard. All season's he's been really funny to watch because he's a turnover machine and plays total street ball style. He throws crazy ally oops and takes a ton of chances on defense. Surprisingly in this game he totally calmed the team down and the Promy immediately pulled ahead by 11. He was subsequently pulled, the Sakers came back to being down by only 3, and he was never seen again. How I love Korean coaching and its non-logic.
I think that's about all I've got. Game 2 is Sunday also in Wonju.
Dongbu Promy 63 LG Sakers 55
The Promy kicked off the playoffs with a win in a very strange opening game. Hwang Jin Won led the Promy in scoring with 19 while Moon Tae Young/Greg Stevens led the Sakers with 13. Some general thoughts
- The Promy played as sloppy as I've ever seen them. They had 17 turnovers and most were passes thrown to places where no one was. They also missed a ton of free throws shooting 8/17.
- LG was brutal from behind the arc hitting only 3 of 16. The game was close down the stretch as well so it wasn't like a lot of those came out of desperation in the last few minutes.
- Also one of the worst officiated games I've seen on both sides. Tons of ghost fouls, no calls, LG's entire frontcourt was in foul trouble the whole game and Greg Stevens fouled out with four minutes to go on a double foul with Kim Ju Sung. They were running down the court, Kim Ju Sung ran into him and flailed like he'd been shot and fell down. It was a terrible call.
- The Sakers' coach got a tech after Stevens fouled out and Stevens deserved one as well.
- That said Stevens picks up a ton of offensive fouls because he pushes off all the time and uses his off hand to create space when he goes up.
- The other problem with the Sakers' front court being in foul trouble was that the Promy were able to post up Benson, Kim Ju Sung, and Yoon Ho Young and be pretty unstoppable. Except in the fourth quarter when they stopped posting these guys up for no apparent reason and the Sakers came back to make the game close. Logic in coaching continues to be a big issue with the Promy.
- In the 3rd quarter with the game very close the Promy put in rookie An Jae Ok at point guard. All season's he's been really funny to watch because he's a turnover machine and plays total street ball style. He throws crazy ally oops and takes a ton of chances on defense. Surprisingly in this game he totally calmed the team down and the Promy immediately pulled ahead by 11. He was subsequently pulled, the Sakers came back to being down by only 3, and he was never seen again. How I love Korean coaching and its non-logic.
I think that's about all I've got. Game 2 is Sunday also in Wonju.
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Lee Seung-Jun will return to the roster of Samsung Thunder when they play KCC Egis later.
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That Seoul team is TERRIBLE. I'd spot KCC 15 points a game and still win the series.
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PLayoff Update
PLayoff Update
Wonju is leading 2-0, next game is Tuesday in Changwon
KCC killed Seoul in their first game, game 2 is Monday
PLayoff Update
Wonju is leading 2-0, next game is Tuesday in Changwon
KCC killed Seoul in their first game, game 2 is Monday
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I'd pick KCC Egis to win to and advance on the next stage as well. A healthy Ha Seung Jin paired with import Chris Daniels makes a potent front court, and the renaissance of the scoring of Kang Byung Hyun providing the spark makes KCC a dangerous team.
This is even worst than last year for the Sakers.
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I'd pick KCC Egis to win to and advance on the next stage as well. A healthy Ha Seung Jin paired with import Chris Daniels makes a potent front court, and the renaissance of the scoring of Kang Byung Hyun providing the spark makes KCC a dangerous team.
This is even worst than last year for the Sakers.
No one in the world is picking anyone but KCC to win that series. They won game 1 105-77 so my 15 points a game is a bit low so far....
KCC is always dangerous and this year their front court is huge. I hate Daniels from when he played for Wonju and refused to take the ball into the post against Ha Seung Jin but he fits in their system well. They should compete for a championship every year. LG just can't score. Wonju held them to twenty points in the first fifteen minutes and even with Kim Ju Sung in foul trouble all game and Benson fouling out they just don't have enough size or scoring.
I'm interested to see how well Busan can work their new foreigner into the mix with Jasper Johnson out for the season. The Busan coaching staff was at the first Wonju/LG game and was sitting right in front of me.
Also as a side note the entire schedule for all of the playoffs has been set and won't change no matter what. Its a game every other day regardless. So if both of these first round series go to five the winners will have to play again in the second round two days later.
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Dongbu Promy has done a good job shackling Chris Alexander, the Sakers' main weapon inside and limited the perimeter of Moon Ta Young. Sadly, no other Sakers player was able to carry the fight. Even TJ Cummings is not finding any success.
I am also dissapointed on the flat performance of the club's locals like Kang Dae Hyup, Ki Seung-Ho and Byun Hyun-Soo.
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TJ Cummings actually isn't on the team anymore. I'm not sure when (since he's still listed on their website as being on the team [as Robert Cummings no less]) but they had a guy named Jai Lewis playing behind Alexander and they started him for the third game... Here's a summary of game 3 I wrote for asia-basket.com
Fourth seeded Wonju Dongbu Promy completed their first round sweep of Changwon LG Sakers by winning game three 76-68. The Promy will move on to play top seeded Busan KT in Busan on April fourth.
Promy forward Kim Joo Sung led all scorers with 28 points shooting a sizzling 81% and also grabbed 12 rebounds. He played all forty minutes and scored 15 of the Promy’s 28 first quarter points. Promy center Rod Benson had an off game notching only 9 points and 6 rebounds. The Sakers were led by Ki Seung Ho with 20 points and import Jai Lewis with 19. Lewis started in place of usual starter Chris Alexander who only saw ten and a half minutes of playing time. Sakers standout Greg Stevenson was held to 11 points and 7 rebounds despite playing all forty minutes.
The Promy seized the momentum early in the game finishing the first quarter with a 28-16 lead. The Promy led at halftime and seemed to be cruising to another win when the Sakers caught fire in the third quarter and cut the lead to two. However, the Sakers were unable to complete their comeback. Beginning the fourth quarter with only a three-point lead the Promy held on for the victory.
Both teams continued to struggle shooting beyond the arc with the Promy hitting only 3 of 13 (23%) and the Sakers hitting only 4 of 14 (29%). The Sakers shot only 48% from the field while the Promy shot 67%. Wonju’s free throw woes continued as they were 11 for 18 from the line. For the first game in the series none of the key players on either team were in foul trouble.
The Promy next face Busan KT in the KBL Semi-Finals. The two teams split the regular season games 3-3 and both teams won two of the three road games and lost two of the three home games.
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Another year, another first round ouster. The Changwon LG Sakers suffering another first year ouster.
Good Luck to Wonju Dongbu Promy. They deserve to advance onto the next round against Busan KT SonicBoom. Both teams are evenly matched as their season results show.
This will be a great series for sure.
As for my Sakers, we could get back in fold our point guard Lee Hyun-Min to share floor generalship with Byun Hyun-So.
Good Luck to Wonju Dongbu Promy. They deserve to advance onto the next round against Busan KT SonicBoom. Both teams are evenly matched as their season results show.
This will be a great series for sure.
As for my Sakers, we could get back in fold our point guard Lee Hyun-Min to share floor generalship with Byun Hyun-So.
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I think the biggest thing that no one is talking about is the import player rule changes and how much they're going to effect the league and its standings. Next year each team will only have one import and their pay will be 400,000 instead of the 350,000 split this year between two imports. So basically the salary for foreign players is doubling. Who knows that this will mean in terms of the quality of player that the KBL can attract?
That said, and knowing Korean coaching philosophy, those foreigners are also going to be playing forty minutes a game so they are going to be totally worn down by the time playoffs roll around. Teams with big Koreans and teams with good naturalized/half Koreans like Moon Tae Young are going to have a big advantage. Its going to be very interesting to see what the league looks like at this time next year.
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The One Import Per Team Quota would affect the landscape of the KBL most certainly. For the Changwon LG Sakers for example, we will no longer have the luxury of having insurance everytime Alexander is in foul trouble or injured. I think this stands for many teams as well, though not all like KCC Egis that has Ha Seung Jin.
The KBL Board of Directors said that the move is for improving the league's competitive balance and enabling development of local centers, as the void of a second import will have another roster spot for local bigmen.
Yes, by next season, the one import quota will be an interesting variable contributing to the landscape. Maybe a KBL team would finally sign center Joseph Fontenot to a roster spot.
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Taking your point even a step further KCC is going to have a massive advantage if their opponents' foreigner ever gets in foul trouble. If whoever they are playing is forced to pull their foreigner KCC can then field Ha Seung Jin, their foreigner, and a big lineup and totally dominate because of the huge gap in size.. I know they say its to open up a roster spot and make the league more competitive but I think it's going to have the exact opposite effect. Teams that already have big Koreans are going to be dominant and smaller teams won't stand a chance. Its not like there are dozens of Ha Seung Jin's that are sitting around jobless because of a backup foreigner (most of whom average less than 10 minutes a game)
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Yes that certainly makes KCC already with a tactical advantage, I am curious to see on how coaches of the opposing teams negate the size advantage.
True, not all centers can be molded into Ha Seung Jin, but for example on the case of the LG Sakers, we have a 6'10, 23 year old center Bang Kyu-So from the Junior Team, who is either on the injured reserve list or does not get to play at all. With another import gone, it does open a roster spot for Bang and maybe by next season, could see action as a back-up to Alexander.
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Ahn Jun Ho steps down
Ahn Jun Ho steps down
The Samsung Thunder's head coach Ahn Jun Ho has resigned. Samsung will search for a replacement during the off-season.
Ahn Jun Ho steps down
The Samsung Thunder's head coach Ahn Jun Ho has resigned. Samsung will search for a replacement during the off-season.
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1-2 punch of KCC Egis
1-2 punch of KCC Egis
With Ha Seung-Jin finally healthy after two seasons and the re-emergence of Jon Tae-Pong, KCC is a dangerous team against Incheon ET Land Elephants.
1-2 punch of KCC Egis
With Ha Seung-Jin finally healthy after two seasons and the re-emergence of Jon Tae-Pong, KCC is a dangerous team against Incheon ET Land Elephants.
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KBL Final Four
KBL Final Four
April 4, 2011 Game 1: Wonju Dongbu Promy @Busan SonicBoom KT
April 5, 2011 Game 1: KCC Egis @Incheon ET Land Elephants.
KBL Final Four
April 4, 2011 Game 1: Wonju Dongbu Promy @Busan SonicBoom KT
April 5, 2011 Game 1: KCC Egis @Incheon ET Land Elephants.
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howing no signs of rust after their two week layoff, the Sonic Boom KT held on to defeat the Dongbu Promy 73-68 in game one of the KBL Semi Finals. Charles Rhodes led Busan with 24 points and 15 rebounds. The Promy's all-star Center Rod Benson was held to only 8 points and 6 rebounds in only 18 minutes and Kim Joo-Sung managed only 10 points and 5 boards.
Heading into the second quarter the Promy led by five, but were outscored 21-9 in that frame. Busan's guards were able to get open for three point shots at will and every time Wonju got the score close, Busan would hit a big three. Busan forward Cho Sung-Min scored 19 points hitting two of three from downtown and Song Young-Jin added twelve points.
The game seemed to be slipping away early in the third quarter when Busan built an eleven point lead and Wonju's backup import Victor Thomas was inserted into the game. Thomas went on a one-man 9-0 run and after a Busan turnover, the Promy hit another three to cap a 12-0 run to end the third quarter. Wonju stayed within striking distance until late in the fourth when Charles Rhodes appeared to push Kim Joo-Sung out of the way to get a rebound. When no foul was called Kim Joo-Sung picked up a technical foul for arguing with the referees and the Promy never threatened to take the lead again.
Game 2 is set for Wednesday night in Busan and the Promy will need to win to avoid heading home down 2 games to 0.
Hey CKR Did you catch what happened to Benson in this game? I was stuck watching it at a bar and they didn't show replays. He's tweeting about an ankle injury. If you saw/know hit me back. Thanks in advance.
Heading into the second quarter the Promy led by five, but were outscored 21-9 in that frame. Busan's guards were able to get open for three point shots at will and every time Wonju got the score close, Busan would hit a big three. Busan forward Cho Sung-Min scored 19 points hitting two of three from downtown and Song Young-Jin added twelve points.
The game seemed to be slipping away early in the third quarter when Busan built an eleven point lead and Wonju's backup import Victor Thomas was inserted into the game. Thomas went on a one-man 9-0 run and after a Busan turnover, the Promy hit another three to cap a 12-0 run to end the third quarter. Wonju stayed within striking distance until late in the fourth when Charles Rhodes appeared to push Kim Joo-Sung out of the way to get a rebound. When no foul was called Kim Joo-Sung picked up a technical foul for arguing with the referees and the Promy never threatened to take the lead again.
Game 2 is set for Wednesday night in Busan and the Promy will need to win to avoid heading home down 2 games to 0.
Hey CKR Did you catch what happened to Benson in this game? I was stuck watching it at a bar and they didn't show replays. He's tweeting about an ankle injury. If you saw/know hit me back. Thanks in advance.
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I asked a friend who happened to watch the game and a friend told me that Benson sustained a tweaked ankle during team practice. I watched the replay of the KT-Dongbu Promy game and it seems Benson has trouble moving.