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Kaunas Zalgiris Thread

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Roster I imagine based on rumours heard on podcasts:
Center Rubit Blazevic
Cavanaugh Rubit Zukauskas
Ulanovas Milaknis Žukauskas
SG Milaknis Lekavičius
PG Lekavičius, Kalnietis
 
Zalgiris need 2 athletic fast americans in PG and SG positions if they want to be diffrent next season,not that slow and not athletic team zalgiris 2022 version that couldnt beat nobody 1 vs 1 after switching defence.

Milaknis and Kalnietis both is 36 old max can be 10min players next season. Not sure is smart to have them both.I would keep only one such age veteran.
 
Zalgiris need 2 athletic fast americans in PG and SG positions if they want to be diffrent next season,not that slow and not athletic team zalgiris 2022 version that couldnt beat nobody 1 vs 1 after switching defence.

Milaknis and Kalnietis both is 36 old max can be 10min players next season. Not sure is smart to have them both.I would keep only one such age veteran.

Interesting now that with the collapse of Russian market there's wider market in Europe. So Zalgiris will wait for very convincing piece at 1 most likely.

Zalgiris is talking with Grigonis. I think now it's pretty realistic since Zalgiris will open up it's wallet wider for a guy who would surely provide (injury record though is worrysome, but he's definetely not Strielniks). Personally, I would agree with you and would be looking for some-one who can split switch all defence and Grigonis is not that kind of player, but nevertheless Grigonis would be very nice.

I think Zalgiris should let go at least one of Milaknis, Lukosiunas. I would let go both.

Bruzas says that Blazevic project has been a failure and Zalgiris should let him go and take Krivas instead. While I absolutely agree that Krivas is a bigger prospect and will be better player, I wouldn't call Blazevic project as a failure. He's one of the best young players in EL. He showed signs of quality already this season. The problem has been Saras' departure. If Saras stayed, Blazevic would be even better. I would let go Blazevic if there's some sort of interest from other clubs and some buy-out, and I think there would be. They need to clean some space for Krivas. But most likely they will keep Krivas a bit away from main team one more year and then will make the decision.

Hope they will keep Murauskas on the loan. He needs to play a lot in LKL. At this point I would simply loan Krivas and Lelevicius to some LKL club too. We have to conclude that Zalgiris has a nice bunch of growing reserve in these three. All guys have clear EL upside and Krivas might have even some NBA pedigree. While Rytas completely destroyed their relations with their golden youth generation (Tubelis, Sirvydis, Marciulionis, Blazevic), Zalgiris silently raised gems and managed to tight them long term + snatched one of Rytas gem in Blazevic. That says everything about the management of Rytas...
 
If Zalgiris signs 28 Grigonis 2+1 and instead Sg american i have no problems.

But please no more 31+ guard with famous name that is on decline.Enough of those Garino,Strelnieks types.

I want like Sharas was doing for 5 years take already upcomming more less ready 24-27 old age player that soon should start peaking.

For me it sounds funny that 20 old Blazevic is failure.When he got minutes he looked ok this season even in euroleague.Keep building something with him,not stop after 2 years. Real results will come later.

So what Bruzas suggest bring another 18 old rookie as 3rd center and wait 2 years like with Marek until he will be strong enough physically to play in euroleague?

When Zalgiris brings any 18 tallented kid for me its minimum 3-4 year process until realistically those kids can start really play well in euroleague.

Thats Rytas golden generation after 2 years doesnt look golden at all to me. I was expecting bigger things from them.

One Jokubaitis alone is way bigger thing if we are talking about NT future than those all Rytas tallents combined.

Future leaders of NT already was showing real things againts men around 20-22 like Jokubaitis doing now.
 
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Thats Rytas golden generation after 2 years doesnt look golden at all to me. I was expecting bigger things from them.

One Jokubaitis alone is way bigger thing if we are talking about NT future than those all Rytas tallents combined.

Future leaders of NT already was showing real things againts men around 20-22 like Jokubaitis doing now.

I agree with unquoted stuff.

Well, it is still golden nevertheless. Cause that much talent one place don't come often. Only Marciulionis had really disappointing tournament, but it's his debut in alien BB environment. Blazevic in my eyes exceeded expectations. I didn't expect that he will look so decent in some stretches already. He had 10, 13, 20 point games streak and at some point it was like "What happens when Nebo and Lavergne comes back"? Tubelis had a monster regular season impact wise. By advanced stats he was among top 5 most impactful NCAA players, just failed in March Madness and didn't prove that he can shoot. Sirvydis has been doing well in G League generally. Tell me more 21yo Lithuanians who could be doing the same in the G league. The answer - no one, not mentioning Jokubaitis off course. Besides, D. Giedraitis is also Vilnius project. 21yo Sirvydis, Giedraitis, 20yo Tubelis, Marciulionis, Blazevic. That seems to me like a golden generation. Most if not all should become long term rotation players of NT which would be huge...I mean to become long term NT player is a tough thing. I'm talking about at least 5 FIBA tournaments. Such players as Ulanovas, R. Giedraitis, A. Butkevicius has failed to become such. They reached NT level, but generally failed to establish themselves as true long term pieces. And even them been called golden generation for a reason.

Yes, Jokubaitis most likely will be more important than all these combined together. But we are talking about best EL young player for 2 years now...And likely the best young PG after Doncic in Europe...
 
For me it sounds funny that 20 old Blazevic is failure. When he got minutes he looked ok this season even in euroleague. Keep building something with him,not stop after 2 years. Real results will come later.

Very strange indeed. Marek Blaževič's EFF of 8.7 over an average of 14:20 minutes in 24 LKL games and 4.8 in 10:12 minutes in 30 Euroleague games is none too shabby. That actually demonstrates why it's so tough for youngsters to develop playing for Žalgiris. They're always competing with high-priced foreigners for playing time and then being compared on the stat sheet.

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92 is called golden because they won everything in youth.


Blazevicius and Tubelis cant shoot and thats very big red flag going further and thats main reason they wont hear their names in nba drafts most likely at all.If those 2 will reach Gudaitis level that will be ok,but how it looks now we can forget abuot Valanciunas/Sabonis directories with them.

Sirvydis and Marciulionis i dont even see them as future NT players.I like that Stenionis kid more he has fearless lions heart is true underdog. I would rather put my bet on such type kid that those 2 spoiled kids.

That Stenionis was way better than Marciulionis in youth team maybe it was a fluke.But when saw his moments versus Zalgiris few weeks ago I said to myself maybe that kid have something in him.

Velicka and D.Giedraitis i can see them playing in NT as role players.I see strong mental strenght in those 2 guards.

I still dont see no facts that those Vilnius tallents will become better players than todays NT role players ale Gudaitis,Butkevicius,Ulanovas,R.Giedraitis. Wouldnt be suprised they wont even reach those NT players level.Thats not given.

data didnt lie when i said you manny times 2-3 years ago you can forget that 20-21 multiple kids will be ready to play in NT.

Those Vilnius tallents now at 20-21 is not ready and is not even debatable.

Around 23-24 some of them will be? sure. Exactly what data history says.
 
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92 is called golden because they won everything in youth.


Blazevicius and Tubelis cant shoot and thats very big red flag going further and thats main reason they wont hear their names in nba drafts most likely at all.If those 2 will reach Gudaitis level that will be ok,but how it looks now we can forget abuot Valanciunas/Sabonis directories with them.

Sirvydis and Marciulionis i dont even see them as future NT players.I like that Stenionis kid more he has fearless lions heart is true underdog. I would rather put my bet on such type kid that those 2 spoiled kids.

That Stenionis was way better than Marciulionis in youth team maybe it was a fluke.But when saw his moments versus Zalgiris few weeks ago I said to myself maybe that kid have something in him.

Velicka and D.Giedraitis i can see them playing in NT as role players.I see strong mental strenght in those 2 guards.

I still dont see no facts that those Vilnius tallents will become better players than todays NT role players ale Gudaitis,Butkevicius,Ulanovas,R.Giedraitis. Wouldnt be suprised they wont even reach those NT players level.Thats not given.

data didnt lie when i said you manny times 2-3 years ago you can forget that 20-21 multiple kids will be ready to play in NT.

Those Vilnius tallents now at 20-21 is not ready and is not even debatable.

Around 23-24 some of them will be? sure. Exactly what data history says.

Blazevic and Tubelis are not exactly from the same tier as prospects. Tubelis has been treated as realistic NBA prospect, Blazevic - not. I think even if Tubelis wouldn't be drafted, he has a lot of things in him to have very strong career. No-one was projecting him as a lottery material (JV, Domas). Actually Gudaitis name is spot on here. Prime Gudaitis (Armani) basically was elite EL center and borderline NBA center. If Tubelis can be at that level for more years than an injury prone Gudaitis, it's good news. And Blazevic could be not far away from this position either.

Your assumption that Marciulionis and Sirvydis are spoiled are false. Maybe Sirvydis has been a bit naive, pro media, fashion and son on, but most current guys are. So what? But Marciulionis? Where that comes from? All coaches emphasize that he's a hard worker and he's very humble person.

Stenionis? Well, I wish him good luck and wish I was wrong, but the guy is a midget, not as a quick as Lekavicius, doesn't have a go to move. He's very skilled, probably would achieve more in 3vs3 basketball, cause his style is essentially street ball. I doubt he will achieve at PROs, but time will tell.

Well, nothing is given. I mean D-Mo failed to have solid NT career (because of injuries), so you never know.

I never said that all prospects will make NT as 20-22. I have been referring to the idea, that we should be more aggressive integrating best youngsters to NT "program" soon. Like let them run in the NT camp, let them smell the pownder. They shouldn't make NT, but the sooner they will taste the level of NT practices, the better. F.e. If we lack PFs at the moment, let Tubelis run in the camp a bit. Maybe he will already be useful in 2023. If we lack offensive forwards, maybe Sirvydis can show up in the eralycamp? He might be ready for 2023.

I agree that most good prospects will make it 23-25. Great prospects will make 20-23.

But I disagree that now we shouldn't even debate say D. Giedraitis and D. Sirvydis. Both are not ready, but both are close, IMO. Both are terrific system players, high IQ players (specially Giedraitis) and they are flexible, they can can play short stretches. ATM, there's no need to throw them into the fire, but if we would they wouldn't look miserable or absolutely lost, IMO. Both already seen Eurocup BB, both been at PROs for many years. IMO, they are close level wise. Do you think current Sirvydis would be much worse in some Italian league than Dimsa? Or vise versa, would Dimsa put up better or more efficient numbers in the G league than Sirvydis did? I really doubt. The difference would be minor, IMO. Dimsa off course have an edge because of experience and being finshed product, but it's really close, IMO.

And I think we should conclude that we are having moderately positive momentum with 21yo Jokubaitis being one of the keys and 23yo Brazdeikis reaching NT level.

And guys like Velicka, D. Giedraitis, Sirvydis, Sedekerskis, Kulboka being close NT (that 98 generation seems stuck though...both Sedekerskis and Kulboka are somewhat ready and somewhat not necessary...but I hope they will still prove their case in upcoming 2 years and maybe both will be strong members in 2024 OT).
 
Poor Maksvytis. The victim of P-Mo's complete confusion and desperation. To change a coach just before LKL play offs...Super smart. It's too little time to change anything now. Maksvytis could comfortably come in off season, to build new team and new system...Now he's hired to clean huge heap of shit...and wile Motiejunas using ''we'' after Zalgiris failures, it's on him.
 
It sounds crazy bet Panos Kalaitzakis (speically) and even D. Giedraitis would be money for Zalgiris this season and this very moment as 2 ways perimeter players :D Zalgiris best guard at D end is Lukas Lekavicius...Zalgiris D looks pathetic and it won't get much better at the perimeter.
 
Maciulis watching this game in arena is thinking god dammit i would put uniform now out shape with 37 old body i would play better defence than this Zalgiris 2022 guards are :)
 
Zalgiris is a mess. If Lekavicius wasn't on Jordan's mode in the 4th quarter, Neptunas probably would have swept Zalgiris. Have to say Maksvytis failed to add anything after Zdovc. Even he could ask more hustling from Zalgiris, none of this ideas worked thus far. I don't blame Maksvytis, it's on Motiejunas (but I feel like Adomaitis> Maksvytis). Motiejunas built a horrible team. I don't understand what Strelnieks, Webster, Miniotas, Milaknis, Giffey are doing in the team, even 2 vets in Jankunas, Kalnietis (with all respect to the legends) had to be out basically. Motiejunas is trashy GM and he never was anything else. He can't say a word on basketball, it doesn't work. It was Saras by any inch of Zalgiris success and now it's a mess...
 
Zalgiris should try to sign hidden unproven gems instead of washed up Americans from China. The roster this season wasnt even doubtful to make it to the Eurocup semi finals.
 
Zalgiris should try to sign hidden unproven gems instead of washed up Americans from China. The roster this season wasnt even doubtful to make it to the Eurocup semi finals.

But that system worked only when there was Saras. He was able to develop under developed players and to squeeze out 110% out of them. Look how Aaron White, Westermann looked under Saras. What Zalgiris needs is at least decent roster selection. This year it was complete nightmare. The rumor is that they signed Rubit, who is in much better shape for Bayern this year than he previously was for Zalgiris, that's a good direction if that's true. Signing back Grigonis would also be positive. Then they would only need a really good, athletic PG and that would be a decent core already.
 
First time since 2014 when Saras as player on their last legs Zalgiris is in real dangerou not to win lkl.

Lekavicius and basically nothing else zalgiris gets from entire guard lineup that cant create nothing even in lkl.

I was in arena Kalnietis even walks not normally and all the time looking and his own ankles. That signs he is not healthy and plays only because Strelnieks is dead,Webster injured.

Janavicius was looking like elite european guard compared to them.

Neptunas dont have enough tallent to beat Zalgiris 3 times,but Lietkabelis and Rytas have enough.

Btw Ulanovas injury can play big part too.
 
3 elite zalgiris guards that barely can run or jump anymore yesterday

Strelnieks,Milaknis,Kalnietis combine for 2 pts with 0 from 11 shooting . I dont even add Jankunas to them.


Neptunas also had such washed up one guard in Mazeika on bench,but not 3 guards like that.

Zalgiris will win in Kaunas Gm5 ,but with Lietkabelis i really starting believe they can lose the series.


3 washed up guards, no Ulanovas, half of their foreigners like Nebo want to finish season fast.


Maksvytis have only Lekavicius,Lauvergne,Lukosiunas,Cavanaugh and crazy Webster to work with that looks like athletes that can run and jump.

all other zalgiris players barely looks playable right now.I would seriously think bringing Marek to active players list instead of Nebo.
 
Some people think Maksvytis isnt open when talking to media.

What Kazys says we can take that to bank,he is humble person he dont play chicken game with media.

I dont always agree with him,but i learned from Neptunas days he is not a liar.

He wasnt joking with Cizauskas as put back him to ltu basketball attention

He is not joking with Zukauskas or Dmo mark my word.
 
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Bruzas in todays podcast said about zalgiris management: Jei ir toliau bus pezama apie zalia krauja ir butinai 6 lietuvius sudeti nieko nebus :)


Obviuosly Bruzas have negative attitude towards Motiejunas what happend in zalgiris between them but still.

Motiejunas is getting very similiar shit towards him what NT head coach usually gets in Lithuania after NT failures.
 
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