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Is Kobe Bryant "The Greatest Laker Ever?"

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Is Kobe Bryant "The Greatest Laker Ever?"

  • YES

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • No, but will soon be

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • Magic is The Greatest Laker Ever

    Votes: 11 19.0%
  • Kareem is The Greatest Laker Ever

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • He's in the Top 5 behind Magic, Kareem, Jerry and Shaq

    Votes: 10 17.2%

  • Total voters
    58
Pau Gasol

Pau Gasol

I remember a certain time back on the span of 2005-2007 where Kobe Bryant, at his absolute peak could only lead the Lakers on the first round of the Western Conference playoffs in 2006 and 2007. Then Pau Gasol came aboard on a trade early in 2008 and the results were immediate, the Lakers became contenders again.
 
I remember a certain time back on the span of 2005-2007 where Kobe Bryant, at his absolute peak could only lead the Lakers on the first round of the Western Conference playoffs in 2006 and 2007. Then Pau Gasol came aboard on a trade early in 2008 and the results were immediate, the Lakers became contenders again.
Your memory is correct, Claude. That's exactly what happened.
 
Your memory is correct, Claude. That's exactly what happened.

Thus, Pau is the 2nd Greatest Acquisition ever by the Lakers after Shaq Daddy!
Am I right lads?
MJ has him beat on the team side and on the individual side.

TRUE TO THAT!

In terms of the the 3 major categories of individual excellence:

Regular Season MVPs:
Mike - 5
Kobe - 1
Defensive Player of the Year:
Mike - 1
Kobe - 0
Finals MVP:
Mike - 6
Kobe - 2
 
This is just another reason why Kobe will retire as one of the best players to have played the game...

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6205162

When I saw the video on NBA TV I was like ... WTF?

But for him to reach the work ethic of Mike, he has to take no holidays.

I still remember reading how after the 1994-95 NBA Season when the Bulls were knocked off the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals by the Orlando Magic, the following day Jordan went straight to the gym and worked on his game with his personal trainer up until the 1995-96 season. As we all know the 1995-96 season for the Bulls was the best ever.

Now that was what I called DEDICATION Kobe.
 
When I saw the video on NBA TV I was like ... WTF?

But for him to reach the work ethic of Mike, he has to take no holidays.

I still remember reading how after the 1994-95 NBA Season when the Bulls were knocked off the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals by the Orlando Magic, the following day Jordan went straight to the gym and worked on his game with his personal trainer up until the 1995-96 season. As we all know the 1995-96 season for the Bulls was the best ever.

Now that was what I called DEDICATION Kobe.

Yeah MJ took dedication of the game of basketball to a whole new level....
These days you don't see such things and that's why when Kobe when back to the court and started shooting that showed something (One of the comments I remember reading by someone on youtube was like: When Miami lose they start crying... but when Kobe loses he gets back to court and practices on his shooting :D)

Here the clip:


One player who is also currently really dedicated is Kevin Durant.... I remember that during pre-season he insisted on playing in the games even though they were for tryouts and for eventually selecting the potential players but Durant was the first guy on the court and he took these preseason trainings and games very seriously...
 
Like Saski, I'm not a Laker fan. They win too much and somebody else deserves a turn every once in a while.

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (greatest basketball player ever? maybe)
2. Wilt Chamberlain (maybe Magic here)
3. Magic Johnson (maybe Wilt here)
4. Jerry West
5. Shaquile O'Neal
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Elgin Baylor
8. George Mikkan
9. James Worthy
10. Bob McAdoo

Honestly, Vlade Divac should be in there somewhere between Kobe and McAdoo...people forget how good Vlade was back then, but he didn't spend as much time as some of those other names.
If we consider just his contribuion to the Lakers franchise there's no way you can rank Wilt ahead of Kobe, and Mcadoo has nothing to do here.
Divac hardly would make a top 25 list IMO, let alone top 10.
So here we go, i'd only include the guys who playd in LA because i want.

1. Magic
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Jerry West
5. Shaquille
6. Baylor
7. Wilt
8. Worthy
9. Gasol
10. Wilkes or Goodrich
 
Magic and Kareem > Kobe, but he can surpass them. He also might have surpassed them, and nostalgia might make biased.
 
I remember a certain time back on the span of 2005-2007 where Kobe Bryant, at his absolute peak could only lead the Lakers on the first round of the Western Conference playoffs in 2006 and 2007. Then Pau Gasol came aboard on a trade early in 2008 and the results were immediate, the Lakers became contenders again.

That's why I can't jump on board with the Kobe being a "top 5 player of all time" bandwagon. Nobody was calling him the "assassin" when he was getting bounced by the Suns.

Championships are team (And that includes the front office) achievements. Very rarely do teams ever get by with only one all-star.
 
yes, i do think kobe is the greatest laker ever but its really close.. I mean we've had some pretty good players playing for the Lakers over the years
 
My list:
1) Magic Johnson
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4) Jerry West
5) Elgin Baylor
6) Kobe Bryant (if he wins the 5th Ring, then he would climb to the 3rd spot)
7) Shaquille O´Neal
 
OT: I didn't know that both Kobe's parents are in Japan when the earthquake/tsunami happened:

They're still there but they're doing OK."
-- Kobe Bryant, who was able to reach his parents, on vacation in Tokyo, after Friday's massive 8.9 earthquake in Japan. The earthquake has killed thousands, severely damaged nuclear power plants and caused untold millions of dollars of damage throughout the country.
 
off topic...

off topic...

Report: Kobe Bryant Only non-Chinese Celebrity Big in China
BEIJING: Brand owners using celebrities in Chinese marketing campaigns must take a nuanced approach, particularly as local stars boast greater equity than their foreign counterparts.

R3, the consultancy, drew on data from over 10,500 respondents in assessing spontaneous recall, engagement and the qualities well-known figures were thought to embody.

Basketball player Yao Ming, who appears in the NBA for the Houston Rockets, headed the charts after posting an index rating of 105.7 points.

Kobe Bryant, another basketball player, was the sole overseas member of the top 30, and is allied with operators including Nike and Sprite.

Athlete Liu Xiang took second in R3's rankings on 105 points, having fought back from an injury which kept him out of the Olympic Games in Beijing to claim a gold medal during the 2010 Asian Games.

Completing the top five were actors Jackie Chan and Andy Lau with 73.8 points and 71.5 points in turn, ahead of actress and singer Faye Wong, registering 64.9 points.
Kobe actually ranked #8. Take that, LeBron! :D
 
When I saw the video on NBA TV I was like ... WTF?

But for him to reach the work ethic of Mike, he has to take no holidays.

I still remember reading how after the 1994-95 NBA Season when the Bulls were knocked off the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals by the Orlando Magic, the following day Jordan went straight to the gym and worked on his game with his personal trainer up until the 1995-96 season. As we all know the 1995-96 season for the Bulls was the best ever.

Now that was what I called DEDICATION Kobe.

A few years ago, the Lakers sent Magic to ask Kobe to calm down on training during "holidays". He has the best work ethic you can have, and the best dedication. To get to that level, he had to. Like Jordan. If there are differences, they don't come from their work ethic. Because if they came from there, we would not even talk about this comparison, or about them as being amongst the bests.
 
Some people think that Kobe should win NBA with some rubbish players instead of Gasol, Bynum, Odom etc.
It's impossible, noone did it yet and never can do.
Look at Bulls, Jordan also didn't win 6 titles with rubbish players, he played with Pippen and Rodman.
I think if Kobe wins it this year, he will be the greatest Laker ever...
 
This is a bit OT but this is the latest commercial of Kobe :D

I never would have imagined him driving in such a tiny car :p

 
Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan: Does Kobe Need Another Ring to Be Compared to MJ

By Tim Lewis(Lakers Featured Columnist)

Perhaps the most impressive feat of Kobe Byrant's illustrious 15-year career revolves around the idea that, for whatever reason, we continue to read, write, debate and ultimately consume articles on "Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan" at an unbelievably high rate.

I mean, isn't that already enough? Do we really need to justify Kobe's career any further when we can simply point to the fact that he's the only player in NBA history who we can realistically have this discussion about? Or how about the fact that he's the only player we've ever witnessed who is genuinely confident that he can be better?

Now look, we can't reasonably have this discussion until Kobe is finished writing his legacy in its entirety and no one (including him) really knows when that will be. Personally, I think he's about three-fourths of the way finished with his story—consider it 15 seasons in the books with at least five remaining chapters yet to be written.

So at this point in time, it's really not fair to compare the two until we can look at Kobe's full body of work. What we can do is definitively say that from 1986 until 1998, Michael Jordan performed at the highest level we have ever witnessed, in what has to be considered the most dominant stretch in NBA history. Kobe's run from 2000-2010 is similar, but really not on the same level.

However, when it comes to longevity, Kobe has done a better job at taking care of his body and will likely surpass Jordan in a number of very meaningful statistical categories over the next few seasons. When you include the Playoffs, Kobe has played a total of 48,310 minutes in 1,311 games. By comparison, Jordan played a total of 48,484 minutes in 1,251 games.

I obviously realize that Kobe is significantly younger than Jordan at this point of career comparison—32 years old vs. 40 years old. But it certainly shouldn't take away from the fact that, despite having the same mileage on his tires as MJ did when he finished his career with the Wizards, Kobe is still finishing fourth in the MVP voting and being named first-team All-NBA and first-team All-Defense.

This is a very important point to keep in mind. Although we're seeing Kobe's minutes reduced significantly (34 MPG in 2011 vs. 39 MPG in 2010), he is still producing at an extremely high level (.75 points per minute in 2011 vs. .7 points per minute in 2010).

And although his percentages dipped slightly in both three-point field goals and free throws, he still managed to maintain his career 45-percent field-goal percentage while matching his career averages of 25.3 points, 4.7 assists and 5.3 rebounds (he technically fell just short with 5.1 rebounds per game in 2011).

So what exactly does Kobe need to do in order to be more legitimately compared to Jordan?

First and foremost, he needs to win two more rings and be named NBA Finals MVP during both of those title runs. Seven NBA championships to go along with four NBA Finals MVP awards would stack up nicely against Jordan's six and six.

Assuming he plays at least five more seasons, he will have an opportunity to close the gap even further. For example, he currently trails Jordan by 4,424 career points. If he averages just 20 points a game for 74 games over the next three seasons, he will surpass MJ and become the third all-time leading scorer in NBA history. I believe that's a fairly conservative estimate when you consider the 2,078 points he scored last season, and we should anticipate him breaking this record early in the 2013-2014 season.

What about all-time playoff points?

MJ is the all-time leader with 5,987, while Kobe ranks third with 5,280, a difference of 717 points. Once again, if Kobe averages just 20 points a game, he would need to play 36 more playoff games to break this record. Depending on how deep the Lakers advance in the playoffs, this record could be broken in the 2012-2013 season.

He trails MJ in All Star game appearances, 14-13, first-team All-NBA awards, 10-9, and gold medals, two to one. They have both been named to the NBA All-Defensive first team nine times. Two years from now, he could overtake Jordan in all of these major career milestones.

So does Kobe need another ring to be compared to MJ? No, not really, because he is already being compared to him on a pretty regular basis. But I can assure you that Kobe Bryant isn't just thinking about being compared to Jordan, he's thinking about what he needs to do to be better than Jordan.

And right now, he is sitting on a beach somewhere figuring out a way to prove all of his critics wrong. We'll check back in five years to see if he was indeed able to accomplish everything I mentioned above, but in closing, ask yourself this: Would you bet against him?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-kobe-need-another-ring-to-be-compared-to-mj
 
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