Halperin and Eliyahu are really good

[Calvin2]

You expect me to read all that or care. Don't you have any common sense. You're unrealistic and too pesimistic. I don't know you but you seem like an unhappy person with an inferiority complex. It's only basketball and it's not serious. Why are you here? I like to analyze sport and human nature. If you don't know the NBA is have serious monetary problems currently. I posted an article on it on the nba forum. I'm not the only person drawn away from the nba. Oh, You'ld live longer if you just wrote I disagree because... or lets agree to disagree. This isn't worth the stress.

I read your commentary and ouch not one positive thing. I can assume you're either a self-hating jew or more likely not one. I never written the PL is the strongest league in the world. What I have written is that the gameplay in the PL is faster, more physical and high flying than the other european leagues and that's why I like it. Why should I care about Ricky Rubio whom can't even dunk. Hell, why should I care about Greece, Italy, Spain, France, Russia and Turkey basketball with few exceptions Theodoes Pak. ect. the only great players aren't even europeans. I'm going to stick to my gut here and write the PL is emerging as the most talent european league. Their national team is going to be better this year unlike their competition and in 2005 they easily beat spain and would of eliminated greece from the world championships if the refs didn't blow calls. That must make you angry Czarkazem13. HA HA israelies are good at basketball(is your head fuming) and HA HA again later this summer when I'm proven right.

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

Getting personal, huh?

I'm a proud Jew, so let me phrase it for you:
Israeli league SUCKS!
It surely is not better than Greek, Russian or Spanish (best league in the world after NBA). In our league are: Maccabi, two teams after them - Nahariya and Jerusalem, two-three middle-level teams and that's it. No way Israeli league can compete with others, since here is no money outside of three-four teams (And noone can compete with Maccabi).
Our national team sucked last year, and may be, only may be (thanks to Croatian Spahija, who promotes Israeli players in Maccabi) they will win "Last Chance" tournament. We do have intelligent players, and return of Burstein (hopefully he will be back in form) may help, but I would not hold my breath.

 

[Calvin2]

Getting personal, huh?

I'm a proud Jew, so let me phrase it for you:
Israeli league SUCKS!
It surely is not better than Greek, Russian or Spanish (best league in the world after NBA). In our league are: Maccabi, two teams after them - Nahariya and Jerusalem, two-three middle-level teams and that's it. No way Israeli league can compete with others, since here is no money outside of three-four teams (And noone can compete with Maccabi).
Our national team sucked last year, and may be, only may be (thanks to Croatian Spahija, who promotes Israeli players in Maccabi) they will win "Last Chance" tournament. We do have intelligent players, and return of Burstein (hopefully he will be back in form) may help, but I would not hold my breath.

Yeah, ummm sure. What can I say. I personally don't think that Lee Nailon, Ido Kozikaro, Raaiv Limonade, Or Eitan, Haim Shimonovic, Guni Israeli, Meir Tapiro, Ed Cota, Barak Peleg, Moshe Mizrachi, Cookie Belcher ect. sucks. I must be wrong, the only good players in the PL are foreigners of Maccabi. I wouldn't use the Greek, Russian and Spanish league as examples of parity Panathinaikos, CSKA and Tau win their league titles practically every year and the rest of the teams have monetary problems too. I'm personally not a fan of the passing around the arc and shooting 3's at almost every possession basketball. FYI Spahija was told to "promote" Israeli players of Maccabi, Raanan Katz made it his personnal business. Raanan Katz has an interesting story of his tryout with the Celtics and it's not politically correct.

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

Yeah, ummm sure. What can I say. I personally don't think that Lee Nailon, Ido Kozikaro, Raaiv Limonade, Or Eitan, Haim Shimonovic, Guni Israeli, Meir Tapiro, Ed Cota, Barak Peleg, Moshe Mizrachi, Cookie Belcher ect. sucks. I must be wrong, the only good players in the PL are foreigners of Maccabi. I wouldn't use the Greek, Russian and Spanish league as examples of parity Panathinaikos, CSKA and Tau win their league titles practically every year and the rest of the teams have monetary problems too. I'm personally not a fan of the passing around the arc and shooting 3's at almost every possession basketball. FYI Spahija was told to "promote" Israeli players of Maccabi, Raanan Katz made it his personnal business. Raanan Katz has an interesting story of his tryout with the Celtics and it's not politically correct.

Did you red what I wrote? Have I mentioned any of those players? Did I wrote that they suck? I wrote that league sucks... and 10-20 good players not make it better.

 

[Czarkazem132]

You expect me to read all that or care.

You mean an different opinion?

Don't you have any common sense.

Common sense in an oxymoron.

You're unrealistic and too pesimistic.

Pessimistic about what? So I don't think that Israelis are the greatest athletes in the world and that Halperin, Eliyahu and Casspi would be all stars in the NBA right from their first day of camp which should start immediately?

I don't know you but you seem like an unhappy person with an inferiority complex.

LOL. Can you back this up?

It's only basketball and it's not serious. Why are you here? I like to analyze sport and human nature. If you don't know the NBA is have serious monetary problems currently. I posted an article on it on the nba forum. I'm not the only person drawn away from the nba. Oh, You'ld live longer if you just wrote I disagree because... or lets agree to disagree. This isn't worth the stress.

I'm on this board because I like basketball. As far as the serious thing, you are right, but who's arguing against that?

I know about the NBA having financial troubles and I've seen your posts, what does that have to do with any of this?

Exactly how does my longevity have to do with posting on Interbasket? What stress? This is amusing.

I read your commentary and ouch not one positive thing. I can assume you're either a self-hating jew or more likely not one.

Don't go there. I don't need some shegetz claiming I'm self-hating. WTF!?! Stick to basketball, you can't even analyse that, so what makes you wanna get into my culture/ethnicity/heritage?

Then you claim I may not even be Jewish....Can't YOU stick to the subject? Sorry I don't fit what you stereotypically think a Jewish person should be.

I care about Ricky Rubio whom can't even dunk. Hell, why should I care about Greece, Italy, Spain, France, Russia and Turkey basketball with few exceptions Theodoes Pak. ect. the only great players aren't even europeans.

Huh, you don't have to care about Rubio, but one question. For someone that critiques the NBA a lot, why do you have the same mentality of a lot of NBA firsters with the big deal of dunking? It's nice to watch, but that doesn't make an basketball player.

You don't have to like Greece, Italy, etc...but you have claimed that the PL talent level is higher. That I disagree with you on.

I'm going to stick to my gut here and write the PL is emerging as the most talent european league.

Israelis aren't Europeans.

Their national team is going to be better this year unlike their competition and in 2005 they easily beat spain and would of eliminated greece from the world championships if the refs didn't blow calls.

Hey, I'm hoping they do much better too, but right now they are pretty much doing the same course.

That must make you angry Czarkazem13. HA HA israelies are good at basketball(is your head fuming) and HA HA again later this summer when I'm proven right.

Wha? LOL. Ok...I guess you are retarded.

 

[Czarkazem132]

Yeah, ummm sure. What can I say. I personally don't think that Lee Nailon, Ido Kozikaro, Raaiv Limonade, Or Eitan, Haim Shimonovic, Guni Israeli, Meir Tapiro, Ed Cota, Barak Peleg, Moshe Mizrachi, Cookie Belcher ect. sucks.

Uh, Haim Shimonovic does suck. Ed Cota hasn't played up to par the last two seasons. The rest you named are good. Though, Limonade, Eitan and (newcomer) Israeli have much potential and are showing it. Tapiro, despite horrible D, is a solid player and I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more attention. Moshe doesn't seem to get over the hump to be better. Nailon is a stud. Belcher too (though lesser degree).

I must be wrong

YES! Finally. Oh wait, what were you sayin'....

the only good players in the PL are foreigners of Maccabi.

Are you saying that? Because that goes against all you typed. I haven't seen anybody else type that....

I wouldn't use the Greek, Russian and Spanish league as examples of parity Panathinaikos, CSKA and Tau win their league titles practically every year and the rest of the teams have monetary problems too.

First, they don't dominate as much as Maccabi.

Second, they are have more strong teams then the PL. Find someone that agrees with you on this site - just one (That the Israeli league is better then the leagues of Russia, Greece, Spain and/or Italy).

 

[Calvin2]

Wha? LOL. Ok...I guess you are retarded

Thanks. I care about what the PL and what it's players prove on the court not yours condescending opinions Czarkazem13 or anyone elses of israelies and the PL. Is the PL the second best league in the world, no. The PL has the best team of the PL, ACB and Greece but you're right the ACB and Greece have better competition. Are they significantly better, absolutely not. A Bad player in Greece and ACB would still be bad in the PL and a good player in the PL would still be good in greece and ACB. If a great ACB player or Greek player can play in the nba. Then a great PL player can also play in the nba. If you prefer the Greek and ACB style of play of no defense, going through the motion offense and passing around the arc almost always shooting 3s, that's your choice. I prefer the physicallity of the post, driving to the basket, fast paced play and dunking of the PL. Czarkazem13 this crap of an israeli can't play in the nba and the PL is a crap league has gone on way to long and should of finished years ago.

 

[Czarkazem132]

Thanks. I care about what the PL and what it's players prove on the court not yours condescending opinions Czarkazem13 or anyone elses of israelies and the PL. Is the PL the second best league in the world, no.

If I'm being condescending? Then trust me, I'm not the only one.

The PL has the best team of the PL, ACB and Greece but you're right the ACB and Greece have better competition.

I'm assuming you mean Maccabi. Yes, right now, but they are not always the best. Atleast we agree on the level of competition.

Are they significantly better, absolutely not. A Bad player in Greece and ACB would still be bad in the PL and a good player in the PL would still be good in greece and ACB.

A good player is a good player, a bad player is a bad player. I'm glad we cleared that up. It's just that the forementioned leagues have more good players. That's what helps make their competition better then the PL (they have more teams with higher budgets).

If a great ACB player or Greek player can play in the nba. Then a great PL player can also play in the nba. If you prefer the Greek and ACB style of play of no defense, going through the motion offense and passing around the arc almost always shooting 3s, that's your choice. I prefer the physicallity of the post, driving to the basket, fast paced play and dunking of the PL.

Interesting. Ok, you don't like the NBA, but you like the PL because it's style is closer to the NBA, but with lesser talent. Ok.

Also, you are generalizing too much about other league's teams, like many Euros on this forum do about the NBA. Besides, I never stated I don't like the PL. Why do you think I am on a site discussing it? 'Cause I DON'T watch it?!?

Czarkazem13 this crap of an israeli can't play in the nba and the PL is a crap league has gone on way to long and should of finished years ago.

Once again, back to your horrible comprehension skills. Actually the problem is, is that you don't read what ever people post. So you know they are disagreeing with you on something, but for some reason (maybe the lack of reading) you miss the point. Then you put words in other peoples' mouths and THEN debate what you think they typed. Interesting....

For instance, when did I say that an Israeli (thank you for spelling it right this time) "can't play in the NBA?" Not only that, when did I type that "the PL is a crap league [and] has gone on way [too] long and should of finished years ago????"

Oh wait, I didn't.

 

[Calvin2]

Once again, back to your horrible comprehension skills. Actually the problem is, is that you don't read what ever people post. So you know they are disagreeing with you on something, but for some reason (maybe the lack of reading) you miss the point. Then you put words in other peoples' mouths and THEN debate what you think they typed. Interesting....

For instance, when did I say that an Israeli (thank you for spelling it right this time) "can't play in the NBA?" Not only that, when did I type that "the PL is a crap league [and] has gone on way [too] long and should of finished years ago????"

Oh wait, I didn't.

I wouldn't judge anyone on comprehension, Czarkazem13. Reread it and than determine first and second person.

 

[Czarkazem132]

I wouldn't judge anyone on comprehension, Czarkazem13. Reread it and than determine first and second person.

You're right, I shouldn't judge you on your comprehension - since you DON'T!

 

[Calvin2]

You're right, I shouldn't judge you on your comprehension - since you DON'T!

How much more credibility do you want to loose by doing this. You're no longer offensive you've become a joke.

 

[Arik2]

Dear members! Your last posts here aren't relevant to the topic. Let's stop all those personal attacks at once! I ask you to respect each other!

 

[SHARP2]

Dear members! Your last posts here aren't relevant to the topic. Let's stop all those personal attacks at once! I ask you to respect each other!

100%
If you like tell something about each other you can send private messages.

 

[Czarkazem132]

Dear members! Your last posts here aren't relevant to the topic. Let's stop all those personal attacks at once! I ask you to respect each other!

I try to stick to the subject, but then we just end up off track. My bad....

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

If you like tell something about each other you can send private messages.

Well, I did, and I do try stick to the topic - unfortunately someone else is not...
That why I used Ignore List...

 

[goga782]

Guys, forget about arguing here and trying to prove sth. to Calvin. It isn't worth your time. Reality check is what is needed for him to do instantly. He has more or less no clue about what he is writing in this forum. It's baseless to argue with him. 10 out of 10 Israelis on this board, 10 people who are fans of Israeli teams and sometimes follow them to games abroad, will tell him that the Israeli League is weaker than the ACB, the LEGA, the Greek and the Russian League, but he won't believe you. 10 out of 10 Israelis will tell him, that the competition is better in other leagues, because they have more money and can afford to have more talent, but he won't agree with you. 10 out of 10 Israelis will tell him, that there is not such a big talent pool of Israeli players, but he won't believe them. You can point to the achievements of the Israeli National Team, but it is of no significance for him. Who is Ricky Rubio, the Spanish wunderkind, who is leading the EL in steals with a huge average?! He can't dunk! But Omri Casspi is the next Jordan, despite the fact of not having proven anything yet.

Calvin doesn't get the fact, that all of us here are rooting for Israeli teams and supporting Israeli basketball. But there are facts in life we cannot closeo ur eyes to. Maccabi Tel-Aviv is a special case and cannot be mistaken with the whole PL. We're all proud of this team and its achievements in Europe and we very much regret that there is not a second such team in Israel, much less a really competitive league after high-class European standards.

I hope no more discussion on this topic is needed. Save your time for sth. better.

 

[MikeMaccabiFan2]

Guys, forget about arguing here and trying to prove sth. to Calvin. It isn't worth your time. Reality check is what is needed for him to do instantly. He has more or less no clue about what he is writing in this forum. It's baseless to argue with him. 10 out of 10 Israelis on this board, 10 people who are fans of Israeli teams and sometimes follow them to games abroad, will tell him that the Israeli League is weaker than the ACB, the LEGA, the Greek and the Russian League, but he won't believe you. 10 out of 10 Israelis will tell him, that the competition is better in other leagues, because they have more money and can afford to have more talent, but he won't agree with you. 10 out of 10 Israelis will tell him, that there is not such a big talent pool of Israeli players, but he won't believe them. You can point to the achievements of the Israeli National Team, but it is of no significance for him. Who is Ricky Rubio, the Spanish wunderkind, who is leading the EL in steals with a huge average?! He can't dunk! But Omri Casspi is the next Jordan, despite the fact of not having proven anything yet.

Calvin doesn't get the fact, that all of us here are rooting for Israeli teams and supporting Israeli basketball. But there are facts in life we cannot closeo ur eyes to. Maccabi Tel-Aviv is a special case and cannot be mistaken with the whole PL. We're all proud of this team and its achievements in Europe and we very much regret that there is not a second such team in Israel, much less a really competitive league after high-class European standards.

I hope no more discussion on this topic is needed. Save your time for sth. better.

Agree 100%

I only want to quote Czarkazem13 (to this guy Calvin) :

Actually the problem is, is that you don't read what ever people post. So you know they are disagreeing with you on something, but for some reason (maybe the lack of reading) you miss the point. Then you put words in other peoples' mouths and THEN debate what you think they typed.

That about sums it up....
And I guess this discussion can be closed...

 

[Calvin2]

First if you're going to paraphrase me, do it correctly. Second, saying there are not several potential NBA players is the PL is more ridiculous then what you wrongly paraphrase me posting. If Tamar Slay isn't good enough to play for the 4th ranked PL team than the league is good. Lastly Omri Caspi can dominate with minimal space and at the triple threat stance. Ricky Rubio can't, he runs around the court like a headless chicken. Any one that thinks Ricky Rubio as is, is going to be an nba star is a fool.

 

[Czarkazem132]

...saying there are not several potential NBA players is the PL is more ridiculous then what you wrongly paraphrase me posting.

Define several. Also, proofread.

If Tamar Slay isn't good enough to play for the 4th ranked PL team than the league is good.

Hold on, I thought:

Tamar Slay is a great player that just fell through the cracks of the NBA and the PL.

Any one that thinks Ricky Rubio as is, is going to be an nba star is a fool.

I don't wanna type for anyone else but myself, but I don't think anybody stated that they think Rubio "as is" is going to be a stud in the L. Considering the talent level at his age, that's what makes him "potentially" (key word) a start in the NBA. Same with Casspi, he has loads of potential too, but he hasn't proven himself like Rubio has (better competition and had led his NT to a championship).

Here's where you get confused. Please just don't skim over what i typed and then answer. It makes for lousy debates and conversations. For instance, please don't accuse me of hating Casspi. That's simpelton logic. I like him, I think - and hope - that he will be a stud one day. Nor does saying that I believe that the ACB, etc...being better than the PL doesn't make me anti-Israeli.

Also, lay off the personal crap. Don't question my Jewishness (especially calling me 'self-hating'). I won't question your Mormoness (word?). Nor you experiences in the "Marines," your "wife" or anything like that. Just basketball.

Shalom.

Also, people having different opiones then you, doesn't make them a "fool." A fool is someone who believes his opiones are facts.

 

[Calvin2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvin
...saying there are not several potential NBA players is the PL is more ridiculous then what you wrongly paraphrase me posting.

Define several. Also, proofread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvin
If Tamar Slay isn't good enough to play for the 4th ranked PL team than the league is good.

Hold on, I thought:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvin
Tamar Slay is a great player that just fell through the cracks of the NBA and the PL.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvin
Any one that thinks Ricky Rubio as is, is going to be an nba star is a fool.

I don't wanna type for anyone else but myself, but I don't think anybody stated that they think Rubio "as is" is going to be a stud in the L. Considering the talent level at his age, that's what makes him "potentially" (key word) a start in the NBA. Same with Casspi, he has loads of potential too, but he hasn't proven himself like Rubio has (better competition and had led his NT to a championship).

Here's where you get confused. Please just don't skim over what i typed and then answer. It makes for lousy debates and conversations. For instance, please don't accuse me of hating Casspi. That's simpelton logic. I like him, I think - and hope - that he will be a stud one day. Nor does saying that I believe that the ACB, etc...being better than the PL doesn't make me anti-Israeli.

Also, lay off the personal crap. Don't question my Jewishness (especially calling me 'self-hating'). I won't question your Mormoness (word?). Nor you experiences in the "Marines," your "wife" or anything like that. Just basketball.

Shalom.

Also, people having different opiones then you, doesn't make them a "fool." A fool is someone who believes his opiones are facts.

Czarkazem13 this is over. You're only making personal attacks since you can't argue your true feelings. If you want to believe there's no parity between the PL, ACB, Russian and Greek leagues, then fine. It's not worth arguing over something so trivial.