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Greek NT 2024

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R1ou said:
This sounds more like wishful thinking rather some valid argument on his participation.

He ll be playing even if the Bucks go all the way and play in finals game 7 which I think is set for June 19th or something
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It's June 23rd.

Believing that a player after playing 100 games in one competition needs more than just few days off before playing in completely different competitions with different teammates is not just wishful thinking. Playoffs are very hard for Nba stars. You can expect 40 minutes every game, all burden on them, everyone with some minor injuries. But even more importantly you're emotionally spent, winning or losing, after that kind of competition. Giannis is not exactly a player, who can dominate with his skills and Fiba rules don't exactly favour him, he has to be 100% physically and mentally to be dominating.
 
tonia said:
Well, I hope Doncic has set 7/7/2024 as his wedding day, so he won't be available for the final game ;)
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Like I said, I don't see Bucks in the Finals, but there's far greater chance for that, than Luka missing the tournament. If Luka misses the tournament Slovenia has 0,1 % to make the final game.
 
Bobby if i were u i would be way more worried not about Luka,but about ageing Doncics supporting cast in Slovenia NT

Luka will be fine but in order to win he need others to step up.

in 2023 it was clear he got very limited tools to work with.Like always with every new game Doncic was looking more and more gassed doing everything for that team.


Compare to 2021 what fresh blood Slovenia NT added? Doncic supporting cast was peaking at 27-30 in 2021, now they will be veterans in their 31+ and for such players playing every second day is not easy to recover.
 
Shawshank said:
Bobby if i were u i would be way more worried not about Luka,but about ageing Doncics supporting cast in Slovenia NT

Luka will be fine but in order to win he need others to step up.

in 2023 it was clear he got very limited tools to work with.Like always with every new game Doncic was looking more and more gassed doing everything for that team.


Compare to 2021 what fresh blood Slovenia NT added? Doncic supporting cast was peaking at 27-30 in 2021, now they will be veterans in their 31+ and for such players playing every second day is not easy to recover.
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God bless we have fresh blood in the greek NT like Calathes, Sloukas, Papanikolaou, ....
 
fasoulaki said:
God bless we have fresh blood in the greek NT like Calathes, Sloukas, Papanikolaou, ....
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Do you guys have a tall guard who can restrict Doncic a bit? And I dont want to read Kalaitzakis now. I mean serious candidates because Calathes doesnt look great defensively anymore.

Giannis guarding the paint is crucial, otherwise Doncic can take down Greece by himself I suppose, He just needs shooter and a big who can roll.
 
I think Giannis will participate if it in his power to do so. He was ready to participate at the previous OQT, but the NBA finals overlapped that tournament. He could have joined Pitino' s Greece at any moment. All he needed is a few days of rest.

Besides, coach Spanoulis made it clear. Unless you are injured, you need to help Greece NT. There's no excuse. And given the fact Greece organises the tournament, there is no way around it. Giannis will be there if he's healthy. So will any other Greek top player.

Some say Giannis will not be 100% after a long season. Quite true. But even at 50% he is a gain for the team.

I personally think Croatia will be first in their group and play the Finals to either Greece or Slovenia.

Btw Greece hasn't played in that arena in ages. It's the arena Greece won the 1987 Eurobasket.
 
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Shawshank said:
Bobby if i were u i would be way more worried not about Luka,but about ageing Doncics supporting cast in Slovenia NT

Luka will be fine but in order to win he need others to step up.

in 2023 it was clear he got very limited tools to work with.Like always with every new game Doncic was looking more and more gassed doing everything for that team.


Compare to 2021 what fresh blood Slovenia NT added? Doncic supporting cast was peaking at 27-30 in 2021, now they will be veterans in their 31+ and for such players playing every second day is not easy to recover.
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I'm not worried about Luka at all, like Mavs are looking, he will be well rested. Motivated and rested Luka should make Slovenia be pretty competitive against Greece without Giannis, so go Bucks. :D If Giannis plays well rested it will be very difficult for Slovenia.
 
So at the end it turned out that coaching the greek NT was a bad idead both for the greek NT and Itoudis himself. By bye Fenerbahce...
 
Killer Bob said:
I'm not worried about Luka at all, like Mavs are looking, he will be well rested. Motivated and rested Luka should make Slovenia be pretty competitive against Greece without Giannis, so go Bucks. :D If Giannis plays well rested it will be very difficult for Slovenia.
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To be fair, I don’t think that Greece will easily loose an official game at home against any opponent. Even without Giannis. The players which were absent last year can easily lift Greece two levels.

Consider that Greece essentially only had Papagiannis in the frontline in the Philippines, that even players like Kostas and Agravanis would have lifted Greece one level. Let alone Mitoglou, Sloukas and Calathes.
 
Victorious said:
To be fair, I don’t think that Greece will easily loose an official game at home against any opponent. Even without Giannis. The players which were absent last year can easily lift Greece two levels.

Consider that Greece essentially only had Papagiannis in the frontline in the Philippines, that even players like Kostas and Agravanis would have lifted Greece one level. Let alone Mitoglou, Sloukas and Calathes.
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You really think Sloukas and Calathes could survive Doncic? Sorry but Doncic will destroy them. Without Giannis you will lose like Lithuania did 2 years ago and even with Giannis is 50 50
 
Victorious said:
To be fair, I don’t think that Greece will easily loose an official game at home against any opponent. Even without Giannis. The players which were absent last year can easily lift Greece two levels.

Consider that Greece essentially only had Papagiannis in the frontline in the Philippines, that even players like Kostas and Agravanis would have lifted Greece one level. Let alone Mitoglou, Sloukas and Calathes.
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Nothing is easy in basketball, but I would like our chances against Greece without Giannis, not so much with Giannis in good form.
 
Toruko said:
You really think Sloukas and Calathes could survive Doncic? Sorry but Doncic will destroy them. Without Giannis you will lose like Lithuania did 2 years ago and even with Giannis is 50 50
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Nobody can defend Luka 1 on 1. He's far the most doubled player in Nba. They would try to trap him and put double and triple teams on him, like Australia did in WC. But that means wide open teammates all the match. It didn't work for Australia in WC.
 
Toruko said:
You really think Sloukas and Calathes could survive Doncic? Sorry but Doncic will destroy them. Without Giannis you will lose like Lithuania did 2 years ago and even with Giannis is 50 50
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Can't see where this 50/50 chance comes from with both teams having full roster + the HC advantage for Greece. It's 60/40 at best, Slovenia could only have similar chances if they find someone like Randolph because Tobey is in awful form and Morgan is not even Eurocup level to be their starting C.
 
Killer Bob said:
Nothing is easy in basketball, but I would like our chances against Greece without Giannis, not so much with Giannis in good form.
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And I would like Slovenia without Doncic, so that we don't have to worry whether Giannis will participate ;)
 
R1ou said:
Can't see where this 50/50 chance comes from with both teams having full roster + the HC advantage for Greece. It's 60/40 at best, Slovenia could only have similar chances if they find someone like Randolph because Tobey is in awful form and Morgan is not even Eurocup level to be their starting C.
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Guards are more important than bigs in nowadays bb. Slovenia will be blocking the paint and try to slow down Giannis. Doncic is the best high pick and roll player of all time. He just needs a guy who can role and make open 3s. With the defense of Sloukas or Calathes its really easy for him to create for himself or others. Especially Sloukas can be kept on the court and would be an easy pray.

Slovenians will permanently go under screens when Calathes is on the court. Giiannis with Calathes will cause big cause spacing problems. Like I said they will block the paint and wait for you to miss shots. If you cant break the game somewhere Luka will somehow finish it for Slovenia. This is how I see it.
 
Sorry but none of the Slovenian forwards have either the size or the strength to slow down Giannis.
 
When you block the paint hell have to take shots like in the previous tournaments but it will open up spaces for shooters. Normally one another advantage to have Giannis would be transition points but Luka hardly produces TOs. Out of the available naturalized players I would choose Dorsey because he can create his own shot just for Slovenia. My last point is Doncic really fires up under pressure and I am not sure about Giannis.

The availability of Vlatko Cancar is also very crucial. I have no idea about that.
 
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