Gold Medal Match: USA vs Serbia

[CHBB2]

Bunch of BS, he will be expose once he step his foot in the NBA. Too slow and too unathletic. If you ain't elite and you can't play defense, no one will start you unless you have that huge potential or teams are just tanking. He certainly won't start on the Lakers with Russell getting that nod. He will be like Spanoulis or Saras. His playmaking ability reminds me of Kendall Marshall. More like a career backup.

Kendall Marshall is a D-League player who Teo is miles better than.

He would be one of the best offensive players in the league but his defense would have him coming off the bench.

And Russell was atrocious last season.

 

[Southpaw2]

Kendall Marshall is a D-League player who Teo is miles better than.

He would be one of the best offensive players in the league but his defense would have him coming off the bench.

And Russell was atrocious last season.

Russell was atrocious in the beginning but displayed flashes of brilliance as the season progress and showed a lot of promise at the end.

One of the best offensive players? Which standard are you referring to? NBA is the true barometer of players ability. I've heard so many great things about a certain European player before. Once they step foot in the NBA, most of them become role players at best. They don't pique my curiosity anymore. I've seen guys like Spanoulis and Saras who are failures in the NBA. Let me put it this way, they have to prove it against the best players night in and night out especially after being part of scouting report.

 

[Chigusa2]

Lol wow you take this personally huh. Sorry I exposed your favorite player for the delusional primadonna that he is. Oh he vowed that did he? Funny then that he in fact DIDN'T get better.. at all... and almost cost his team every game of the playoffs by playing exactly the same way he has since his rookie year. In fact he was a better player as a rookie because at least back then he was explosive game after game. It's sad you have to call me a hater because my completely factual words so contradict what you want to think about the kid. Budding superstar? He peaked at 21 at the most.

Maybe you should get over yourself and your love of a player who doesn't care that you exist.

Hater? He isn't worth my hate.

Completely factual nonsense like Curry was hurt..that's why he couldn't stay in front of Irving. That's why Irving was able to hit the game winning shot to clinch the NBA championship. Factual nonsense like Kyrie isn't humble..he's a self centered wannabe and won't get better. Lol..this 'discussion' over. The difference is I can point out Kyrie Irving's flaws as a 24 year player yet recognize his great play over the past few years while you simply want to just go in on his flaws and make it seem like he's an average player. It's all good. This is simply the disconnect between fans and the players who have to actually go out there and compete. Kyrie Irving is a young champion who is respected by players and coaches alike, your opinions notwithstanding

 

[CoachZ2]

Bunch of BS, he will be expose once he step his foot in the NBA. Too slow and too unathletic. If you ain't elite and you can't play defense, no one will start you unless you have that huge potential or teams are just tanking. He certainly won't start on the Lakers with Russell getting that nod. He will be like Spanoulis or Saras. His playmaking ability reminds me of Kendall Marshall. More like a career backup.

No, he is like Kwame Brown. GTFO...

He can ball in the NBA. Whether he will, we will see. If it was up to people like you, 90% of the players would be working in McDonalds now...

 

[Southpaw2]

No, he is like Kwame Brown. GTFO...

He can ball in the NBA. Whether he will, we will see. If it was up to people like you, 90% of the players would be working in McDonalds now...

Kwame was good on ball defender . He was shutting down low post players. That was his role especially when he was with the Lakers.

Teo can ball but he's a backup. He maybe better than Russell right now but it does not mean that the Lakers will compromise their future so a player with limited potential can run the team. Teams especially the ones who are rebuilding will let their young player with huge potential to grow from mistakes and experience.

 

[Bad Boys 28822]

No, he is like Kwame Brown. GTFO...

He can ball in the NBA. Whether he will, we will see. If it was up to people like you, 90% of the players would be working in McDonalds now...

I'm not sure we will ever see him in the NBA, at least. Not enough interest to pry him out of Europe.

 

[ronmercer802]

i was highly disappointed by the Serbian team. Obviously they would have lost in any case but they didn't even try to resist. USA'S very aggressive defence intimidated them, clearly they were not mentally prepared for such a tough game. A really negative surprise. Ridiculous the choice to play close to the paint, they should have prepared a perimetral game trying to free their shooters. Even this plan would have been difficult to put into practice but they didn't try anyway.

Durant killed them definitely, indeed a great player, yesterday he was unstoppable.

 

[CHBB2]

Russell was atrocious in the beginning but displayed flashes of brilliance as the season progress and showed a lot of promise at the end.

One of the best offensive players? Which standard are you referring to? NBA is the true barometer of players ability. I've heard so many great things about a certain European player before. Once they step foot in the NBA, most of them become role players at best. They don't pique my curiosity anymore. I've seen guys like Spanoulis and Saras who are failures in the NBA. Let me put it this way, they have to prove it against the best players night in and night out especially after being part of scouting report.

If by brilliance you mean the bare minimum expected of an NBA guard then sure. That term has seriously gotten watered down these days.

Which standard? The standard of whether or not he is in fact one of the best offensive players. He's like a Juan Carlos Navarro type. Or like a great college guard. I'm honestly not sure there's a similar player to him right now. Maybe Delfino? Or JJ Reddick with Orlando.

The problem is the NBA is becoming to basketball what the Premier League is to soccer. You can be a great or even fantastic player but if you don't fit the type of player needed then you just won't stick. I have a feeling we're going to see more and more great international players who aren't the level of athlete as a Giannis go back overseas.

 

[CHBB2]

Completely factual nonsense like Curry was hurt..that's why he couldn't stay in front of Irving. That's why Irving was able to hit the game winning shot to clinch the NBA championship. Factual nonsense like Kyrie isn't humble..he's a self centered wannabe and won't get better. Lol..this 'discussion' over. The difference is I can point out Kyrie Irving's flaws as a 24 year player yet recognize his great play over the past few years while you simply want to just go in on his flaws and make it seem like he's an average player. It's all good. This is simply the disconnect between fans and the players who have to actually go out there and compete. Kyrie Irving is a young champion who is respected by players and coaches alike, your opinions notwithstanding

Whatever you say, buddy.

You can't see what you don't want to. Not my problem. Doubt you'd be as impressed with these "impressive performances" if they were in actual context though.

Kwame was good on ball defender . He was shutting down low post players. That was his role especially when he was with the Lakers.

Teo can ball but he's a backup. He maybe better than Russell right now but it does not mean that the Lakers will compromise their future so a player with limited potential can run the team. Teams especially the ones who are rebuilding will let their young player with huge potential to grow from mistakes and experience.

I agree about Kwame. He became a solid backup big.

I don't see why Russell has "huge potential" though? Because ESPN said he did? He's never been all that good. Even in college he was nothing more than a ballhog who could shoot a bit but wasn't all that good at anything else.

 

[Southpaw2]

If by brilliance you mean the bare minimum expected of an NBA guard then sure. That term has seriously gotten watered down these days.

Which standard? The standard of whether or not he is in fact one of the best offensive players. He's like a Juan Carlos Navarro type. Or like a great college guard. I'm honestly not sure there's a similar player to him right now. Maybe Delfino? Or JJ Reddick with Orlando.

The problem is the NBA is becoming to basketball what the Premier League is to soccer. You can be a great or even fantastic player but if you don't fit the type of player needed then you just won't stick. I have a feeling we're going to see more and more great international players who aren't the level of athlete as a Giannis go back overseas.

The brilliance is he showed that he can take over the game and go to another gear albeit not consistently but this is normal for young and inexperienced players.

Where did Teo became one of the best offensive players? When you don't do it against the best players in the highest level, then that proves nothing.

I agree with your last statement because at that level, winning is what matter the most. Case in point, with Houston that coachZ said he's much better than Beverley so Teo should start. That's true but Harden runs that team and he is a poor defender so Beverley will compliment him better because he can take the tougher assignment and just be a 3 and D type of player.. Teo can probably run the team 10 x better than Beverley but he's not better than Harden. International players should learn that if you ain't elite, you are a role player. And that does not bode well with a ball dominant type of player like Teo.

 

[Southpaw2]

Whatever you say, buddy.

You can't see what you don't want to. Not my problem. Doubt you'd be as impressed with these "impressive performances" if they were in actual context though.

I agree about Kwame. He became a solid backup big.

I don't see why Russell has "huge potential" though? Because ESPN said he did? He's never been all that good. Even in college he was nothing more than a ballhog who could shoot a bit but wasn't all that good at anything else.

I did watched a lot of Lakers games and I have to admit, I was very disappointed with him in the beginning. But as season progress, it was clear that he can run the team, can get guys to their sweet spots and has that ability to take over the game and Take his game to extra gear. I don't buy into ESPN hype. In fact it was Jerry West who hyped that he will All Star for a lot of years prior to Lakers drafting him. So that says a lot.

 

[Raze Lupin2]

God I love arguing with people online, I'm so good at it.

HAHAHA You're an intellectual bully! lol

 

[Raze Lupin2]

He won the Euroleague that is the first thing. He will try to repeat this year but after that it's all open.

His contract is expiring at the end of this coming season. When he signed it, it was a major deal and NBA contracts for Europlayers were not that lucrative so he decided to refuse. He makes about 2.5mil a year and pays little taxes in Russia. To make that he would've needed at least 4 mil per year in USA and those kinds of contracts for Euro players were not flying before this crazyness. Now, it's a different story.

He was also never fond of Moscow and he says it took him a LOOOOONG time to get used to it. He was always in love with Athens and playing and living there. For me, it's the best thing he could do, to run away from Balkan sports lifestyle

The rumors are true and many teams have approached him at the end of the season. He postponed all the talks before the end of the Olympic Games. We will hear it in the weeks to come, what is happening. I think he will be in NBA for 2017/18 season. It will not be for any team though. He would like to play competitive basketball and for a team that would make sense for him. He would never be a backup in Thunder for example, even if they paid him 10-12 mil a year

That is a shame! Back up for the Thunder would be a good position for him IMHO. especially if they get who I think they get in the coming year. I could also see him back up in a few competitive teams. Every Serb I talk to tells me that Teo would never be a back up in the NBA. That is a shame because Manu is a HOF as a back up and a closer for the Spurs.

 

[SashKX2]

Teo has expressed interest in coming over, naming Spurs and Jazz as teams he'd play for. As CoachZ said, he has won the Euroleague, and he's currently in his prime, which won't last for much longer, so if he's ever coming to the NBA it will be 2017-2018 season.
As for him showing offensive power against an NBA team, dunno if Timberwolves count, who were beaten on their court under NBA rules by Teo and his Transylvania league team. Comments like "lol Timberwolves" and "meaningless exhibition game" are sure to follow, but I really have no intention arguing with someone who obviously has serious lack of knowledge and respect for European basketball here.

 

[Raze Lupin2]

Teo has expressed interest in coming over, naming Spurs and Jazz as teams he'd play for. As CoachZ said, he has won the Euroleague, and he's currently in his prime, which won't last for much longer, so if he's ever coming to the NBA it will be 2017-2018 season.
As for him showing offensive power against an NBA team, dunno if Timberwolves count, who were beaten on their court under NBA rules by Teo and his Transylvania league team. Comments like "lol Timberwolves" and "meaningless exhibition game" are sure to follow, but I really have no intention arguing with someone who obviously has serious lack of knowledge and respect for European basketball here.

I BELIEVE Teo's play against USA proves he belongs in the NBA.

 

[Bad Boys 28822]

I BELIEVE Teo's play against USA proves he belongs in the NBA.

He's an NBA-caliber player, but a very average one. And it isn't worth the time of any of the clubs to convince him to come overseas when they can find comparable players available domestically for far less effort and money. If he's a free agent without a buyout clause and he's actively looking for a job here then sure someone would take him but no NBA team is going to aggressively pursue him. And he's going to have to prove himself as a backup. That's a 100% certainty.

As for the Spurs and Jazz, Utah will have no interest as they've already invested time and money into Exum and Hill at the PG spot. The Spurs may be a different story but again he'd have to climb up from the #3 PG spot behind Parker and Mills. De Colo tried that and was buried. Those are not two clubs that I'd see having much interest in Teodosic.

The Thunder may not be the worst fit but that's also dependent on Cameron Payne. If he starts developing they're probably not interested in a year.

Atlanta, perhaps? Schroeder has the starting job locked up but there isn't much behind him and his skill set fits their motion offense.

 

[Shawshank2]

is prime Teodosic is better than prime Jasikevicius? i dont believe that i take Saras in his prime...and he had very dificult nba career...Saras and Teodosic have alot of in comon,both smart,fantastic basketbal IQ,good shooters,leaders from nature,but slow and bad defenders and in nba you have to guard fast guards...Saras was tougher mentally,but still couldnt do nothing seriuos in nba league.Teodosic would have hard time in nba as 90% of white guards have...

Nba needs tall europeans Pf and C..they do not need Pg-Sg-SF...

 

[Bad Boys 28822]

Saras was a distaster in Indiana. He had trouble advancing the ball past half court. So.....sloooooooow....

I actually had high hopes for Arvydas Macijauskas, believe it or not. But same problem for him. Good size, accurate shooter but his game was just too slow for the NBA.

It isn't enough to have skill for a guard, you have to do everything you do well at 1.5X the speed. American college players have the same problem. You either adjust or you don't. Unfortunately for many Europeans they are a bit older when they come to the NBA so they aren't afforded the same amount of time and it is harder for them to change themselves for that same reason. Usually the NBA club gets impatient or the player gives in to frustration and heads back home.

I should note that Drazen Petrovic had the same struggles but to his credit he kept working hard to adapt and eventually became one of the best guards in the NBA. So many NBA fans were happy for him his final breakout year in New Jersey because he worked so hard to make it happen.

 

[Big Lebowski2]

What a pity we had an awful game to watch. Serbia in the 1st round had shown that these USA were not aliens. But, then, Bogdanovic confirmed to be a spineless loser and threw the overtime beater into the toilet.
Then, the spineless loser confirmed to be a spineless loser killing the game and allowing USA to run away. These USA had 3/4 players who really deserved to represent their country and - anyway - the had 3/4 players who may have started one of those one man shows which kill a game in three minutes. Sometimes that any team has to avoid against USA: don't give to the Durant or to the Irving on court those 10 cm or that 1/10 of second that he will use to destroy you. Serbia created these conditions to United States in three minutes. From 14-11 to 12-23.
In those three minutes Serbia made all wrong decision:
- Bogdanovic, bad pass to the base line;
- Bogdanovic, three pointer without any rhythm.
- Bogdanovic, second three pointer without any rythm;
- Bogdanovic, missed fast break layout;
- Bogdanovic, turnover and easy fast break.
Serbia had eight possessions, Bogdanovic made those five mistakes. I'm not counting the stone he threw against the ring at the end of first quarter.

I'm not saying "without Bogdanovic Serbia would have won". What I'm saying is that he destroyed the few chances he had. I can't understand why he was on court and why - for example - Nedovic was sitting on the bench. This dead of wanks already kicked his country national team, like in eurosemis with Lithuania in 2015 - and he's 23. He's not young anymore.
Serbia has really a nice structure: twice among top-2 teams in the world in three years mean something. But Serbia cannot be among top-1 teams in its continent, even if it's clearly the best European team. Send Bogdanovic to collect minerals in Trepča with his hands and put some normal player at this pičketina's place.

 

[reamily2]

What a pity we had an awful game to watch. Serbia in the 1st round had shown that these USA were not aliens. But, then, Bogdanovic confirmed to be a spineless loser and threw the overtime beater into the toilet.
Then, the spineless loser confirmed to be a spineless loser killing the game and allowing USA to run away. These USA had 3/4 players who really deserved to represent their country and - anyway - the had 3/4 players who may have started one of those one man shows which kill a game in three minutes. Sometimes that any team has to avoid against USA: don't give to the Durant or to the Irving on court those 10 cm or that 1/10 of second that he will use to destroy you. Serbia created these conditions to United States in three minutes. From 14-11 to 12-23.
In those three minutes Serbia made all wrong decision:
- Bogdanovic, bad pass to the base line;
- Bogdanovic, three pointer without any rhythm.
- Bogdanovic, second three pointer without any rythm;
- Bogdanovic, missed fast break layout;
- Bogdanovic, turnover and easy fast break.
Serbia had eight possessions, Bogdanovic made those five mistakes. I'm not counting the stone he threw against the ring at the end of first quarter.

I'm not saying "without Bogdanovic Serbia would have won". What I'm saying is that he destroyed the few chances he had. I can't understand why he was on court and why - for example - Nedovic was sitting on the bench. This dead of wanks already kicked his country national team, like in eurosemis with Lithuania in 2015 - and he's 23. He's not young anymore.
Serbia has really a nice structure: twice among top-2 teams in the world in three years mean something. But Serbia cannot be among top-1 teams in its continent, even if it's clearly the best European team. Send Bogdanovic to collect minerals in Trepča with his hands and put some normal player at this pičketina's place.

back in 2004 Krie had 2 3 muffed attempts inside..causing teh blowout, Serbia really relies on perfect games eveident on their 15 point defeat to Boomers and their 23 point blowout in the US (yes the game is over after the 1st half).. Again Bogdanovic and Nedovic maturity would win or lose games for Serbia in the future..