Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[Athrunzala2]

I hope SBP is doing something for these future bigs (Prince Carino 6'6, Gab Castro 6'5, Boe Gelin 6'5, Aaron Guinto 6'4 for under 14 and for under 12 Cholo Evangelista 6'3, Simple 6'3, Esomchi 6'2, Iledan 6'2 )...I watched them all playing in NBL YOUTH AND MPBL for under 14 and under 12...if one these players end up the bigger version of Kevin Quiambao it will nice for our national team

Hindi sana maubusan ng pera si Manny Pacquiao for the sake of our basketball grassroots development

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Sen.Pac should really let go that MPBL franchise to interested businessmen and stakeholders and retain only the Jr. MPBL instead.

also, his MPBL volleyball tournament should also be youth oriented on boys and girls division.​

 

[onggok2]

I watched the NBL YOUTH UNDER 12 CHAMPIONSHIP earlier and the team of Pochlo Villanueva and Esomchi lost to the smaller team of Luid Kapampangan and I think is time for Josh Reyes take these two kids under his wings to get a proper training because of the potential of these two kids

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

is he FEU bound?

I thought the 6'8 kid is a Latino lad apparently I was wrong.​

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7qhw25m6Po

 

[Metta2]

is he FEU bound?

I thought the 6'8 kid is a Latino lad apparently I was wrong.​

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7qhw25m6Po

Same for me. Guys like Galinato, Villegas and now Sarmiento are a surprise. Most guys with asian blood (even mixed like Jalen, Vyc, etc) are usually known about early on. But latinos with pinoy blood all of a sudden are popping up out of nowhere.

It's odd because there are asian all-star tournament games and they will find guys with asian blood early in HS. Most of the fil-ams in the Philippines played in one of these type of tournaments.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Same for me. Guys like Galinato, Villegas and now Sarmiento are a surprise. Most guys with asian blood (even mixed like Jalen, Vyc, etc) are usually known about early on. But latinos with pinoy blood all of a sudden are popping up out of nowhere.

It's odd because there are asian all-star tournament games and they will find guys with asian blood early in HS. Most of the fil-ams in the Philippines played in one of these type of tournaments.

Sir Mets,

those Fil-Latino kids including Zavier Lucero are slowly being recognize/spotted by the day, all the while I thought Triple J of the Heat are also partly noypi because he was born and raise were many Filipinos are heavily concentrated.(buti na lang po hindi ako na kuryente sa bagay na yan)

anyway Coach 100 percent will certainly hone certain skillset of that kid, if he is indeed Tamaraw bound

 

[onggok2]

The narrator says kid was a golfer before taking up basketball last year.

Can Kevin Quiambao, Justine Baltazar and Carl Tamayo mentor are future bigs like Pochlo Evangelista, emman simple, Samuel Esomchi, Prince Carino,Boe Gelin, Tyler Reyes,Gab Castro, Aaron Guinto... these 12-14 year old kids are the future of Gilas and imagine 6'9 or 6'10 kid play like Kevin Quiambao or Justine Baltazar

 

[xenoloxy2]

Can Kevin Quiambao, Justine Baltazar and Carl Tamayo mentor are future bigs like Pochlo Evangelista, emman simple, Samuel Esomchi, Prince Carino,Boe Gelin, Tyler Reyes,Gab Castro, Aaron Guinto... these 12-14 year old kids are the future of Gilas and imagine 6'9 or 6'10 kid play like Kevin Quiambao or Justine Baltazar

perfect timing with the new direction by the sbp on development

 

[IPC2]

With the homegrown bigs that are coming up, I hope we discover and develop 201cm+ (6'7"+) bigs with good defensive instincts to protect the basket and help their teammates out, as well as good length and mobility. I've noticed that we lack eligible players fitting that description.

34yo Almazan hasn't shown his worth as a player for the NT, 34yo Erram's retired, Japeth's active, but he's 37. After Japeth, the youngest players we have at our disposal that fit my description are 25yo 203cm (6'8") Kemark Carino and 24yo 208cm (6'10") AJ Edu. We have 27yo 201cm (6'7") Justine Baltazar, but I dunno if he's stagnated or if he improved since 2021.

Hope we can develop bigs of this description so that the next time we get a one-way go-to guy as our NP (JC, Boatwright), we have interior defense covered, and we can protect our NP's on defense.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

speaking of the Rock N' Roll guy I had a gut feeling that he may end up being on the trading block, obviously one of the main reason is the traffic violation with bribing incident happened(mabigat yun), always on the injured list, age and Meralco are tirelessly building itself as the good guys, well we all know ever since that the company was related to the yellows, it's humongous bills to its consumer among others. that is why they revive again their basketball franchise to project themselves having that clean boy image.

and now this edsa incident happened even though the st*&%^id dude already apologizes but for the big bosses it ain't cool from now on.

with the possible bigs knocking on the door e.g. Balti, QMB, Lane among others, hmmm...that's enticing indeed.

 

[alfrancis2]

Can Kevin Quiambao, Justine Baltazar and Carl Tamayo mentor are future bigs like Pochlo Evangelista, emman simple, Samuel Esomchi, Prince Carino,Boe Gelin, Tyler Reyes,Gab Castro, Aaron Guinto... these 12-14 year old kids are the future of Gilas and imagine 6'9 or 6'10 kid play like Kevin Quiambao or Justine Baltazar

Jeff Codera should be the best person to train these kids.

 

[IPC2]

hmm, we need to start them early perhaps I still think there will be evolution back then the Guidabens Codinera, Junio Thoss and Sanggalangs are 6'4-6'6 guys who improved through the years (you can Add Arana too) and just Junmar.CS and Japeth being outliers now the Junmar height (6'10 will be the norm to the guys like Hepa, QMB, Edu, Datu, Villegas (as guys like Kai and Sage will become the outliers)..

Gotta take the good and bad I see them honing their offensive skills here but their lateral defense and being role player center can be good elsewhere (Japan)

Case in point Kenmark Carino (his lack of offense was exposed in PBA but he will be given a lot of chances because we Filipinos play lazy defense) to score in other leagues he will just be there for his shot blocking skills

The defensive role player big is more valuable internationally than offensive skills. Well, when the big is not in Kai's or AJ's level anyway, or doesn't have the skillset of a Carl Tamayo or RDO.

That's why in a Gilas setting, I would take a guy Carino over a guy like Sangalang and Arana because of his defense, which again is more valuable internationally. Ayun lang, offensive liability.

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So, I think we need to be focusing more on developing bigs who can defend in the FIBA level more than offensive guys who show promise in the local level, but don't really show upside on either end in the international level.

 

[Metta2]

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So, I think we need to be focusing more on developing bigs who can defend in the FIBA level more than offensive guys who show promise in the local level, but don't really show upside on either end in the international level.

For me, the biggest shortcoming when it comes to this is the lack of a youth sports culture. And when I say youth...pre-10 years old.

Our players who grow up to be very tall (6'7+) needs to be running, moving, jumping, tumbling, etc at a very young age. Encouraging young kids to do so will go a long way in their eventual athleticism. And athleticism (especially laterals) are the biggest hindrance in our development of defensive bigs. Sure, genetics are a factor, but early development still results in a lot of improvement.

And no, young kids do not have to play just basketball. It can be soccer, martial arts, dancing etc. All have its advantages. The key is to start early and nurture a love for sports/physical activity.

 

[C2Hamm2]

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So, I think we need to be focusing more on developing bigs who can defend in the FIBA level more than offensive guys who show promise in the local level, but don't really show upside on either end in the international level.

we've talked about this a year or 2 ago. if you only start training anyone because you see some physical advantage, height based on your comment, medyo late na. any kid who wants to play bball at a young age should be trained on everything we can teach them and give them steady progressing competition. if the kids grow tall, e di wow. if not, you still have a skilled and hopefully disciplined player\person.

this is why a program is needed. you cant rely on training kids who just had a growth spurt and rush him\her to train. there is a chance the kid will hate the sport this way or just not be interested as much as we want them to be.

 

[IPC2]

we've talked about this a year or 2 ago. if you only start training anyone because you see some physical advantage, height based on your comment, medyo late na. any kid who wants to play bball at a young age should be trained on everything we can teach them and give them steady progressing competition. if the kids grow tall, e di wow. if not, you still have a skilled and hopefully disciplined player\person.

this is why a program is needed. you cant rely on training kids who just had a growth spurt and rush him\her to train. there is a chance the kid will hate the sport this way or just not be interested as much as we want them to be.

I'm advocating for your suggested method on training at a young age too, especially train young players on everything. Passing, shooting, screening, rebounding, dribbling, etc. Maybe I might have a different approach or phrasing.

I kinda had a flaw in my original saying some years ago when I said anyone below the certain height (I think it was 6'8"), and just included kids in general, since no one is 6'8" at 10.

 

[Metta2]

we've talked about this a year or 2 ago. if you only start training anyone because you see some physical advantage, height based on your comment, medyo late na. any kid who wants to play bball at a young age should be trained on everything we can teach them and give them steady progressing competition. if the kids grow tall, e di wow. if not, you still have a skilled and hopefully disciplined player\person.

this is why a program is needed. you cant rely on training kids who just had a growth spurt and rush him\her to train. there is a chance the kid will hate the sport this way or just not be interested as much as we want them to be.

For years now, I've been repeatedly posting every couple of months, a suggested timeline for how to train high-level athletes. And this is based on actual personal experience with kids who reached D1 levels.

Usually guys would criticize it as "too early." But there's no going around it. We are not blessed genetically that we can just decide to become world-level basketball players in our teenage years and it becomes a reality. We have to outwork others who are naturally-gifted. In order to outwork, you need to put in the hours. And to put in the thousands of hours required, you need to start early.

 

[C2Hamm2]

For years now, I've been repeatedly posting every couple of months, a suggested timeline for how to train high-level athletes. And this is based on actual personal experience with kids who reached D1 levels.

Usually guys would criticize it as "too early." But there's no going around it. We are not blessed genetically that we can just decide to become world-level basketball players in our teenage years and it becomes a reality. We have to outwork others who are naturally-gifted. In order to outwork, you need to put in the hours. And to put in the thousands of hours required, you need to start early.

not sure how it is done in the US, but SBP has to step in somehow. I understand SBP teaches some of the coaches around the country good. these coaches and trainers trainers should have some sort of certificate from SBP to ensure that these coaches teach kids at a certain standard. if these kids want to complete on SBP events, they need to be coached by someone who also has a certificate with SBP. this certificate should be given to coaches who join the coaching programs of SBP. these certificates for trainers and coaches should be renewed every so often. 3-6years tops to force them to study new basketball concepts\technology that they can pass on to the kids including a side trip with DOLE if Philippines has any working with kids program (to hot headed coaches from hitting hard headed kids).im not going to touch on nutrition because thats a different animal to tackle and will have economic dependency.

having these certified coaches would mean, them charging the kids. again, SBP has to step in on this. i dont know how at this point in time, but if they can minimise additional cost by covering certain tournaments or working with local government units to cover a bit, that would be a big boost already. the remaining question is, what about kids who cant afford even the basic training part. if SBP can hook up with DepEd so that these trainers and coaches are from the school, that again can be of help. end of the day though, this is multi agency effort. and this can be done for all sport. it will also mean budgeting to fund these activities. and we cant really know if the leaders would actually support this. if we have something like this in place, it will covered most of the kids who wants to play seriously. maybe save for those out of school youth. that bit, can be handled by a diff program that will just add in sport as a sweetener to entice kids back to studying.

pero i agree with Metta 100%. many ways to skin a cat, so we will have different ideas how to do this. however, 1 thing is certain, training should start as young as possible and should reach as much kids as possible. again, as per my comment to IPC, if sports isnt for the kids, the experience and discipline gained might atleast have a positive impact to a kids life.

 

[Metta2]

not sure how it is done in the US, but SBP has to step in somehow. I understand SBP teaches some of the coaches around the country good. these coaches and trainers trainers should have some sort of certificate from SBP to ensure that these coaches teach kids at a certain standard. if these kids want to complete on SBP events, they need to be coached by someone who also has a certificate with SBP. this certificate should be given to coaches who join the coaching programs of SBP. these certificates for trainers and coaches should be renewed every so often. 3-6years tops to force them to study new basketball concepts\technology that they can pass on to the kids including a side trip with DOLE if Philippines has any working with kids program (to hot headed coaches from hitting hard headed kids).im not going to touch on nutrition because thats a different animal to tackle and will have economic dependency.

having these certified coaches would mean, them charging the kids. again, SBP has to step in on this. i dont know how at this point in time, but if they can minimise additional cost by covering certain tournaments or working with local government units to cover a bit, that would be a big boost already. the remaining question is, what about kids who cant afford even the basic training part. if SBP can hook up with DepEd so that these trainers and coaches are from the school, that again can be of help. end of the day though, this is multi agency effort. and this can be done for all sport. it will also mean budgeting to fund these activities. and we cant really know if the leaders would actually support this. if we have something like this in place, it will covered most of the kids who wants to play seriously. maybe save for those out of school youth. that bit, can be handled by a diff program that will just add in sport as a sweetener to entice kids back to studying.

pero i agree with Metta 100%. many ways to skin a cat, so we will have different ideas how to do this. however, 1 thing is certain, training should start as young as possible and should reach as much kids as possible. again, as per my comment to IPC, if sports isnt for the kids, the experience and discipline gained might atleast have a positive impact to a kids life.

Leaving it up to SBP and/or government is not the best way. It will only lead to further bureaucracy.

Something that is done in the US that we can aspire for is the prevalence of youth soccer. Youth soccer is big in the US. For most kids, this is their introduction into organized sports (starting at around 6). Boys and girls are mixed in a team and it is mostly for fun and is a family affair. Hence, the term "soccer mom."

A non-profit organization called AYSO is the main driving force behind this. There is also a similar set-up in baseball (little leagues).

With that as the base, kids then go into other sports until they specialize in the one they like.

The point is, kids need to be playing doing movements that fires up their brains/muscles while they are still developing. On top of that, sportsmanship and teamwork.

And the thing that makes all this possible is the pro-active parents/family who all volunteer as coaches/trainers/organizers. These are little kids, coaches ala-Popovich are unnecessary.

 

[C2Hamm2]

Leaving it up to SBP and/or government is not the best way. It will only lead to further bureaucracy.

Something that is done in the US that we can aspire for is the prevalence of youth soccer. Youth soccer is big in the US. For most kids, this is their introduction into organized sports (starting at around 6). Boys and girls are mixed in a team and it is mostly for fun and is a family affair. Hence, the term "soccer mom."

A non-profit organization called AYSO is the main driving force behind this. There is also a similar set-up in baseball (little leagues).

With that as the base, kids then go into other sports until they specialize in the one they like.

The point is, kids need to be playing doing movements that fires up their brains/muscles while they are still developing. On top of that, sportsmanship and teamwork.

And the thing that makes all this possible is the pro-active parents/family who all volunteer as coaches/trainers/organizers. These are little kids, coaches ala-Popovich are unnecessary.

yeah, that exist here too. my officemate is a coach of an aussie rules football team for 14u in their area. everyone on the coaching staff are just parents who love the game. they do some activities to raise some funds just to lessen the cost of travel and having to make uniforms.

 

[Metta2]

yeah, that exist here too. my officemate is a coach of an aussie rules football team for 14u in their area. everyone on the coaching staff are just parents who love the game. they do some activities to raise some funds just to lessen the cost of travel and having to make uniforms.

Bingo, that's what I've been advocating for so long...developing a vibrant youth sports culture. It enables family bonding, steers kids away from negative vices and develops healthy athletes.