Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[mathematicianrcg2]

IMO, having different kinds of Big Men Provides More Versatility. Than Going All Skilled Bigs, or ALL Motor Bigs, or ALL athletic Kids.

2014 WC Gilas literally have each kind of Big.

Junmar - Dominant Post up Big.

Japeth - Athletic Long Big

Pingris - Motor and Hustle kind of Big

RDO - Stretch Big with some Post Moves

Blatche - Dominant All Around Big

They all have their own unique weaknesses though. I mean every player have.

 

[IPC2]

Not sure why Ping is an assistant coach for Gilas. He is not really that skilled. He is a good defender, yes. But do we really need an assistant coach for that?

If we're looking for modern big man skills isn't RDO the better choice? Shooting, driving, post-up game, even post defense. The guy has loads of things he can teach our bigs.

Defense and rebounding, Pingris is better than anyone in Gilas. Rdo is there for other skills and offensive versitility. Pingris actually scored against gianst in WC2014. I like the play where Pingris follow the guard after PnR, while defenders are occupied with the ballhandler, Pingris will be behind it to received a pass a do a tear drop shot. Ballhandler will block the defenders to reach Pingris

I wonder about that too,RDO is a better fit,to teach modern mobile big men,how to use to move around the court with or without the ball.

If you want them to be an alll around big man,then have RDO as an assistant,hands down can offer alot more than Ping.

Yeah RDO skills are teachable while Ping's motor and athleticism isn't. He could be a great motivator though

Yeah, Ping could operate in the post, and was a great defender at his peak, and could teach Kouame, Balti, Tamayo, and Kai some moves and tricks of the trade. However, I agree that RDO has more skills to offer and teach. He'll be the betyer mentor for our bigs offensively.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

No need to choose. If we can have them both.

RDO doesnt have what Ping Have. And Vice Versa.

RDO for Stretch Bigs with Solid Post moves.

Ping for Hustle and Motor

As I said above, I prefer to have a variety of type of Bigs rather than Having Bigs with literally the same skillset. (Little bit of Redundancy)

Ping and RDO can be our Big Man's Coach in the near future. Ping starting now

 

[ARMIR2]

Yeah RDO skills are teachable while Ping's motor and athleticism isn't. He could be a great motivator though

Philippine National teams were always full of motivators,but teaching well needed upgraded skills are lacking.I hope somebody reach out to RDO,his skills and discipline is badly needed starting with Batang Gilas make him the big man skills coach.

 

[IPC2]

Philippine National teams were always full of motivators,but teaching well needed upgraded skills are lacking.I hope somebody reach out to RDO,his skills and discipline is badly needed starting with Batang Gilas make him the big man skills coach.

Chot's the Program Director. He should have a plan for RDO to teach young bigs and to equip them with good skillsets. Hope also that he can be integrated to Batang Gilas, teach some skills to Demisana, Gagate, Perciano, JV Papa, and even Brix Versoza, Donjie Cornesio.

 

[IPC2]

If last night's guard-heavy offense was an indication, I must ask, would our bigs still have a future with Chot as the coach? Would they be more involved?

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

If last night's guard-heavy offense was an indication, I must ask, would our bigs still have a future with Chot as the coach? Would they be more involved?

Depends in the role he will give to each big.

JMF, Ping, RDO, Japeth are used differently during 2014 WC.

Kai, AJ, Balti, Tamayo, and Ange (If given the NP spot over JC) wii be used differently too I think.

I mean a lot of questions. Will he give KAI the Blatche Role or the Abangers role like he did with JMF.

Will AJ(with some injuries) be an athletic Player like Japeth?

WIll Balti or Tamayo fill up RDO'S Stretch 4 Role?

Will Ange be a Hustle Player like PIng? (because that is how coach chot used ange this window)

 

[Silent Killer2]

Depends in the role he will give to each big.

JMF, Ping, RDO, Japeth are used differently during 2014 WC.

Kai, AJ, Balti, Tamayo, and Ange (If given the NP spot over JC) wii be used differently too I think.

I mean a lot of questions. Will he give KAI the Blatche Role or the Abangers role like he did with JMF.

Will AJ(with some injuries) be an athletic Player like Japeth?

WIll Balti or Tamayo fill up RDO'S Stretch 4 Role?

Will Ange be a Hustle Player like PIng? (because that is how coach chot used ange this window)

kai under DDO system? to give you idea watch kai’s u17 games and the “coach” of that team is the son of current coach of gilas and observe how the son uses kai..

 

[live_evil2]

kai under DDO system? to give you idea watch kai’s u17 games and the “coach” of that team is the son of current coach of gilas and observe how the son uses kai..

Was that the tournament where the suklay boys put us to shame? hahaha

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Was that the tournament where the suklay boys put us to shame? hahaha

Is it the same one where they sneaked in an exec's son into the pool over more deserving players?

 

[IPC2]

Here's a piece from Hakeem Olajuwon in the Players' Tribune back in 2016: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/hakeem-olajuwon-houston-rockets-big-men-small-ball

I got this quote too: "Small ball won’t eliminate big men, but it might eliminate our old ideas of positions. Everyone likes to compare eras, but it’s possible that today’s big men are more skilled as all-around players than ever before."

I think honestly we could use this quote and build on it. If for example, a 6'4"-6'8" teenage player shows the skillset of a perimeter player, why not use him as a perimeter player, no, and enhance it, instead of just sticking him inside to rebound or protect the paint?

I've been advocating for positionless basketball for a while, at least in the youth levels. This trend of small ball and positionless basketball might benefit nations like us, which are disadvantaged size-wise.

However, small ball here could be construed to mean literally downsizing without any change in skillset from the 4 or the 5, or to include three-guard lineups with two traditional bigs.

I only wish small-ball AND positionless basketball were applied to the youth levels. General rule should be, like I'e always said, train kids as guards first. Could be tricky, though, for those who came into the game late, especially if they're tall (6'6"-6'8").

Though I say that kids should first be trained as guards, regardless of height, I also believe in teaching our bigs to play in the block once they reach 6'7"-6'8". Gives them another angle of attack.

The guard training our potential bigs get as kids could give them more options to attack, like taking a shot, attacking closeouts, or playing in the post, especially in cases of mismatches. It might make them able to play the PF position. The options to attack, though, should be mixed-and-matched, like what Patrick Ewing said in ESPN's Decline of the Big Man.

If a kid already comes into the game at 14-16, and he's already 6'7"-6'8", well, I think teaching him to play inside and take advantage of his size is fine, but also, if they want to play for Gilas in the future, they'd have to train to play both PF and center (PF can still be a big man's position ala Duncan). If they're still mobile enough, maybe SF as well.

Although I have had a stance and a take, this one's honestly tricky. Which ones will be PF/Cs with play styles like Menk, Ildefonso, and which ones will be PF/SFs with play styles like Danny Seigle, Alvin Patrimonio, and recently Baltazar and Carl Tamayo?

 

[IPC2]

Today frontline opponents of Kai are all inside guys. If my memory service me right, no one has guards skills or perimeter shot. Why is it ok in NBL?

It's the size, man. The NBL has a lot of tall players, 6'10"+, Kai included. Athleticism of the bigs as well.

As for us, well, we have 6'6"-6'8" players who know how to play just the center position. That's our tallest. Personally, I'm fine with playing heftier guys these sizes as bigs, especially if they are introduced to the game after 15-16yo, but in my opinion, they have to be taught how to play the PF spot, kahit traditional PF lang.

 

[Silent Killer2]

It's the size, man. The NBL has a lot of tall players, 6'10"+, Kai included. Athleticism of the bigs as well.

As for us, well, we have 6'6"-6'8" players who know how to play just the center position. That's our tallest. Personally, I'm fine with playing heftier guys these sizes as bigs, especially if they are introduced to the game after 15-16yo, but in my opinion, they have to be taught how to play the PF spot, kahit traditional PF lang.

and some of them have perimeter shooting.. the frolings are the examples. reath as well shoots in the perimeter.. former melbourne center landale, shoots in the perimeter as well..

 

[Silent Killer2]

Though I say that kids should first be trained as guards, regardless of height, I also believe in teaching our bigs to play in the block once they reach 6'7"-6'8". Gives them another angle of attack.

The guard training our potential bigs get as kids could give them more options to attack, like taking a shot, attacking closeouts, or playing in the post, especially in cases of mismatches. It might make them able to play the PF position. The options to attack, though, should be mixed-and-matched, like what Patrick Ewing said in ESPN's Decline of the Big Man.

If a kid already comes into the game at 14-16, and he's already 6'7"-6'8", well, I think teaching him to play inside and take advantage of his size is fine, but also, if they want to play for Gilas in the future, they'd have to train to play both PF and center (PF can still be a big man's position ala Duncan). If they're still mobile enough, maybe SF as well.

Although I have had a stance and a take, this one's honestly tricky. Which ones will be PF/Cs with play styles like Menk, Ildefonso, and which ones will be PF/SFs with play styles like Danny Seigle, Alvin Patrimonio, and recently Baltazar and Carl Tamayo?

in the social league i’m playing.. our tallest player 6’2-6’3 has the guard skills.. dribbles the ball well and can shot outside if needed and no one acts a ball hog in my teammate (except one and not me) and prioritise ball movement.. it’s ingrained in the system of players here in Oz about ball movement from all levels.. no one acts kyrie irving even my opponents..

now going to RP system, hope that even in ligang labas we can see the tallest guy playing guard for the team.. dribbles the ball well and can shot outside

 

[mapuakid2]

How to develop promising 6-5 and up homegrown players:
1. Shooting
2. Basic fundamentals of the game (dribbles,etc)
3. Send them overseas (Basketball academy)

 

[IPC2]

So Quiambao really left Dlsu.

I hope his ig post last time means he will put his talent overseas

Really, he left La Salle? And what's his last IG post?

 

[IPC2]

Here's a video on the new breed of NBA bigs, and how they've evolved:

He explains that these bigs have guard skills AND traditional bigman skills. Guys like KAT, Embiid, Jokić, Bam, Giannis, AD, Jaren Jackson, Jr., Christian Wood, Draymond, Sabonis, Siakam can either handle, pass, or shoot, or any combination of all three.

 

[IPC2]

Here's a video on the new breed of NBA bigs, and how they've evolved:

He explains that these bigs have guard skills AND traditional bigman skills. Guys like KAT, Embiid, Jokić, Bam, Giannis, AD, Jaren Jackson, Jr., Christian Wood, Draymond, Sabonis, Siakam can either handle, pass, or shoot, or any combination of all three.

However, these are among the best PFs and centers in the NBA. They're stars. The rest of the NBA bigs are kinda more traditional, whether as stretch bigs or rim runners or rim protectors.

Other power forwards are now wings playing PF, like Melo, KD, Tatum (who really has been playing 3 when Robert Williams and Al Horford are playing the big positions), PJ Tucker. There are tweeners like the Morris twins and Tobias Harris, and traditional fours like Thad Young and Julius Randle (who are kinda in the mold of Siakam).

 

[IPC2]

Here's a video on the new breed of NBA bigs, and how they've evolved:

He explains that these bigs have guard skills AND traditional bigman skills. Guys like KAT, Embiid, Jokić, Bam, Giannis, AD, Jaren Jackson, Jr., Christian Wood, Draymond, Sabonis, Siakam can either handle, pass, or shoot, or any combination of all three.

Anyways, I hope we can see this kind of evolution from our own bigs, and that we can develop star-level bigs (even if that level is here in the Philippines) so we can see a golden age of bigs. And I hope most of our 6'7"-6'8" star bigs can play at least the PF position, similar to Tamayo and Baltazar, even if those other bigs can be just traditional low-post fours or stretch fours.

 

[IPC2]

Been thinking: Would Balti continue his development into a versatile switchy defender at the 4 spot if he joins the PBA, or would he be asked to bulk up to be able to defend big, hefty centers?

He's already kinda unique defensively as a big who can switch to the perimeter, which has been valuable to us internationally. Needs to keep that skillset wherever he goes.