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Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

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But does it matter? Has he even developed his game?

Probably not. His name has been popping out every once in a while because of his height but he has very little to show for when he does play (and him never staying put is a bad indicator)..
 
Probably not. His name has been popping out every once in a while because of his height but he has very little to show for when he does play (and him never staying put is a bad indicator)..

I remember Delta sort of overhyping Pangalangan when some years back they described this kid as having pretty decent handles for his size & possessing a respectable outside shot.

Decent handles & respectable outside shot my ass!:rolleyes:
 

Lol Mareng Jessica introducing Brix to the SMC camp :D

Hopefully he becomes a PF/C version of June Mar, while being better on defense as well. He has developed a stepback, though, so he might have some modern elements.

If he ends up in the SMC camp, the only way he can play for the national team is if SMC takes over Gilas operations. In addition, I dunno what his development will be as a big. With the SMC teams, it might be too post-oriented while sacrificing switchability, like what they did with June Mar.

However, in the PBA, if he ends up with TNT, too much focus on shooting, like what they did with Troy, who ended up as a stretch 4/rebounder/cutter and nothing else. NLEX might be a good compromise, as Yeng can teach the kid to hone his perimeter game, and at the same time allow him to play the post.

In any case, hope to see this kid in Gilas soon.
 
These teams are ironically among the deeper teams in terms of bigman depth, and that's not accounting for the FSA.

La Salle: Bates, Baltazar, Quiambao, Phillips brothers, Cortez, Turco
Letran: Javillonar, Ular, Fajarito, Ambohot, Guarino, then Lantaya, Pangalangan.
UP: Gob (probably), Tamayo, Lina, probably Demisana
Ateneo: Chiu, Ong, Maagdenberg brothers
Beda: Jopia, Andrada, probably Brix Versoza

These teams probably have majority of the local bigs in the UAAP and NCAA ranks combined. Lot of the bigs are with La Salle and Letran, though, and their availability might be in question, except for that of Baltazar. We could use Quiambao, Lantaya, and Cortez for Gilas to add to our bigman depth.

I saw a clip of Brix Versoza pick up games, he looks slower than Greg Slaughter...But he good big body built. Hope he improves his agility and speed. I am praying he can reach 7 foot.
 
I remember Delta sort of overhyping Pangalangan when some years back they described this kid as having pretty decent handles for his size & possessing a respectable outside shot.

Decent handles & respectable outside shot my ass!:rolleyes:

Sooo..do you mean Pangalanan is just a bust? I thought he was being taken cared of the Pineda's. Una kong nakita talagang ba batil batil pa ito. Pero sabi nag improve na daw.. Sayang ang laki pa naman .
 
What about the Australian Kid, Ethan Kirkness? Does any one have news about his development? Ive heard kinuha na sya ng UP but is now again in Australia.
 
Sooo..do you mean Pangalanan is just a bust? I thought he was being taken cared of the Pineda's. Una kong nakita talagang ba batil batil pa ito. Pero sabi nag improve na daw.. Sayang ang laki pa naman .

Let's just say that based on the description of a certain Delta coach about Pangalanan's game way back about 5 years ago - that he has decent handles for his size & can even shoot from afar, then after all these years he has hardly made any impact in college basketball, I could say he has badly failed to live up to that hype of his coach at Delta.

Let's take for instance Justin Baltazar, I think not that much hype was made about Baltazar some 5 years ago. But look at where he is right now.

Compare Baltazar's status with that of Pangalangan at present. Ang layo, di ba?
 
What about the Australian Kid, Ethan Kirkness? Does any one have news about his development? Ive heard kinuha na sya ng UP but is now again in Australia.

give up basketball.. he tried but he gave up on basketball..
 
Here's the news article about Pangalangan some 7 yrs ago:
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/uaap...tands-6-foot-7-groomed-for-basketball-stardom

BTW, its not a Delta coach who described Pangalangan as having good handles & shooting but Delta owner Dennis Pineda.

Maybe he indeed has decent coordination and skills. But maybe he just doesn't like basketball that much. Maybe he is not into sports. And I guess his family is not poor enough to force him to play basketball.
 
Maybe he did display decent handles and shooting when he played against some randos but it didn't translate well against varsity players. Maybe he is indeed skilled but is only good against inter barangay players. There are levels in basketball and even the worst end of bench seemingly limited pro players would massacre the random pick up ball players while someone who looked like they might be super skilled wunderkinds would get a rude awakening when playing against better competition.

As for the kid I've seen a former neighbor posting some pics with him in basketball gear in Pampanga. Maybe he kept himself busy during the pandemic and at least in basketball shape.
 
As I reiterated several times before and elaborate even further what I’ve said, there are 3 Important things those prospective (tall)kids needs to establish if they really want to be competitive and serviceable locally and internationally moving forward. He/She must learn how to dribble the ball to save his/her life in front of a notorious defender because nowadays many players are now emphasizing on how to develop to be an elite defender that is why idol Joe Dumars, Tyshaun Prince, Ben Wallace, Rip Hamillton, Dennis Rodman(minus that many creampie moments with the so-called Queen Of Pop), PJ Brown, Freddie Abuda, idol Klay Thompson, Nic Belasco, Miles Turner among others who are very(much)proud of their defensive work rate. If only those prospects works on their ball handling skills and make it their second skin then playing against dreaded defensive guys will be much easier in many ways. A much balance Free Throw shooting mechanics is a must to all aspiring ballers out there if they really wants to have a very fruitful basketball career moving forward. For me personally, one of the aspects I’m looking for a player and I am very critical on the FT% on this department because it mirrors the player’s dedication and enthusiasm to improve his/her craft game in and game out. I’ve mentioned several players from my previous posted msg. who had a horrible work rate at the 15 Foot Line and I would like to add Mac Cuan and Kyle Pascual on that list as well whom I always cringe every time that dude is on the line( I think this guy was already traded to other ballclub) Rebounding develops player’s nose for the ball, timing and reflexes, it’s a must to all aspiring players out there who wants to have a fruitful career on this kind of sports especially to all kids who are blessed with height hence it’s a must to develop those 3 elements that I mentioned about Rebounding. With those 3 important things, I hope the foundation of those tall prospects will be as solid as per our expectations because in reality our existing big guys like Kai, AJ, AK37, Balti, Carl, IG and Geo is still a work in progress as far as international level are concern. As for the likes of Tzaddy and Ladis good thing they are involved in the Gilas Training activities and somehow solidify some basic stuff and keep on grinding same with Kenmark who had the opportunity to play at Div. II in the B League and gained some experience playing overseas. As for the likes of Kevin Q., Jay P. and Raven I hope that those dudes keeps on grinding as well and avoid being fall in the dreaded “Puede na Yan” attitude wherein majority of upcoming players nowadays are already contended and not striving for more to improve their skills sets, “Yung tipong makapag laro lang ako sa PBA fulfilled na ako”, which is for me is a dangerous perspective for a player’s mindset because we as a basketball loving Filipinos are expecting our younger Generation of Big Boys will compete internationally amongst the elite big guys of the other nations. As for Seven (who already had a chance), Kobe D., those two newly discovered lads from Cavite and Mindanao hoping they had a chance to hook up with the Man With The Million Drills because the unique thing about coach Jeff Codera is that he is a game situational drill master wherein he will really pounce on the player’s weaknesses and he will not give up to you until it is already inculcated in his student’s anatomy, these according to some of the NBA players and some of the local ballers he works with.
 
Well, after watching the success of small-ball in the PBA, with 6'5"-6'6" PFs or even wings successfully playing center, I dunno if our 6'6"-6'8" bigs could develop as PFs there. Most of our bigs are 6'6"-6'8", so if they want to be a post big, they're better off playing the 4-spot.

Guess the best place for our young 6'6"-6'8" bigs is with Gilas for now, unless their mother team has taller bigs that play center. I hope the likes of Gagate, Demisana, Salvoro, Adrian Sollano and Lepalam could develop to play at least the 4-spot full time. Brix Versoza, Donjie Cornesio, and Brix delos Reyes as well, hope they can be reliable at at least the PF position.

I forgot, the B.League or maybe one of the Taiwanese leagues might be a good spot for bigs. The imports there play center, so Asian bigs in Taiwan would have to man the 4 spot, and play only spot minutes at center.
 
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I honestly believe that we are capable of producing a legit NBA player. The problem is our basketball program is rotten to the core. We need to recognize that the way we develop players is completely wrong. Just try watching those larong barangay for example. Meron kang 6'0 players na puro sentro agad ang laro, doesn't know how to pass, dribble or shoot from the outside. Kaya pag dating sa mga mataas na liga huli na ang lahat para madevelop ng husto.

No problem with them playing center because that's obviously out of necessity, the problem actually lies in exclusively teaching them skills meant for traditional centers - that's why they never learn shooting and ball handling skills

RE: the blueprint for producing a NBA player, the one Kai Sotto is embarking on is a good starting point - train and acquire skills abroad vs the best but you'll also need someone to bankroll you along the way, without the bankroller you won't succeed no matter how talented you are

Let put this in real situations.
Which top schools do you know right now only teaches kids to play solely has a center without allowing to develop outside shooting. Are they in UAAP or NCAA

Thing is, your big can have a jumper and still be stuck at the center position, and be unable to play PF. Kemark Cariño exclusively played center in Beda, same with Larry Muyang in Letran, and Christian Bunag in Mapúa. Even Ateneo with Isaac Go (before Kouame), for crying out loud. And all of the aforementioned have a jumper.

However, I'm gonna be fair here. Letran also has Christian Fajarito, who can play both center and PF. Beda didn't really render Cariño unable to play PF. Perps didn't render Adamos unable to play PF (in fact, he plays PF alongside Yousef Taha). In fact, I'm seeing more 6'6"-6'8" bigs being developed to be able to play the PF spot, at the very least. We've seen this with Baltazar, Tamayo, Kevin Quiambao, even Raven Cortez. Kobe Demisana, Ramon Salvoro, Seven Gagate, all of them could play the 4 now.
 
Thing is, your big can have a jumper and still be stuck at the center position, and be unable to play PF. Kemark Cariño exclusively played center in Beda, same with Larry Muyang in Letran, and Christian Bunag in Mapúa. Even Ateneo with Isaac Go (before Kouame), for crying out loud. And all of the aforementioned have a jumper.

However, I'm gonna be fair here. Letran also has Christian Fajarito, who can play both center and PF. Beda didn't really render Cariño unable to play PF. Perps didn't render Adamos unable to play PF (in fact, he plays PF alongside Yousef Taha). In fact, I'm seeing more 6'6"-6'8" bigs being developed to be able to play the PF spot, at the very least. We've seen this with Baltazar, Tamayo, Kevin Quiambao, even Raven Cortez. Kobe Demisana, Ramon Salvoro, Seven Gagate, all of them could play the 4 now.

The best solution imo is allow Centers to Play in the perimeter if that is their game and playstyle. (I will not force an ali peek build and skillset to play perimeter)

Just like how is Femi Edu is used in UK today. He is literally playing as "Center" but playing like a wing, sometimes even a Guard.

For ex. Basti Reyes, Heinz Demisanaz and Ramon Salvoro, more or less will be tasked to play as "Center" because of neccesity. But At least give them freedom to play in perimeter even at some moments.

NU Jrs I Think did this perfectly with Tamayo and Quiambao, they are The NU Bigs, yet both of them can essily be transitioned into a Forward or Wing because they had freedom to test some of their perimeter skills.
 
Somehow I understand Jakrawan's not so impressive stats in the T1 league since he's playing behind world imports playing the big men positions. That's the problem if you're an Asian import big man playing in leagues like the B-league or T1, SBL or P-league becoz yung mga world imports na hina hire nila are usually big men. I assume Jakrawan's opportunity to score is limited as it is the world imports who are given the lion share of opportunities.

I think that's because Jakrawan's exclusively played center for the national team.

This is why I keep saying that our bigs should not be trained to exclusively play center. They should be able to play smaller positions as well, even if it's just PF. Naturally, the imports play center, and so for our bigs to get more opportunities to play, I think they have to learn to play 4 at the least.

If you're Japeth's height, you can afford to exclusively play center, but if you're smaller, you need to be able to play smaller positions. Maybe nominally play center, but the natural position is 4, or even 3 or 2.
 
Somehow I understand Jakrawan's not so impressive stats in the T1 league since he's playing behind world imports playing the big men positions. That's the problem if you're an Asian import big man playing in leagues like the B-league or T1, SBL or P-league becoz yung mga world imports na hina hire nila are usually big men. I assume Jakrawan's opportunity to score is limited as it is the world imports who are given the lion share of opportunities.

Thats what I been saying. Adding more imports in PBA will limit opportunities of our big Man to develop real game skills and IQ. Including no limits on Fil for in roster. I don't have issue with limitless height but make it one import at a time like UAAP.

That's what happens if our bigs can only play the center position, and are trained to play exclusively at that spot. Less opportunities. I keep saying that the general rule should be that our bigs should be able to play PF as well as center.

I do agree with the one-import limit in college. Creative coaches can experiment with twin tower lineups, with a 6'7"-6'8" guy playing the 4 (like Go-Kouame lineups in Ateneo and then Gilas). It forces our 6'8"-below bigs to learn how to play the 4, well that is, if they want to get more opportunities and not be a backup all the time. The 4 is also a bigman position; our bigs can still play like bigs as a PF.
 
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