Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[IPC2]

Sangalang's willingness to play for the national team has been a question mark.

Ayun lang, willingness.

However, a big with his skillset can be actually good for the FIBA game, especially against teams that don't have a low-post 4.

I hope we produce 6'7"-6'8" bigs with the skillset of at least Sangalang and Tautuaa. And preferably can play the 4 as well as the 5. Like I always say, if you're that size as a big, you'll have to be able to play 4 and 5 if you're gonna thrive internationally.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Ayun lang, willingness.

However, a big with his skillset can be actually good for the FIBA game, especially against teams that don't have a low-post 4.

I hope we produce 6'7"-6'8" bigs with the skillset of at least Sangalang and Tautuaa. And preferably can play the 4 as well as the 5. Like I always say, if you're that size as a big, you'll have to be able to play 4 and 5 if you're gonna thrive internationally.

The thing is he may only be good at SEA level.. he's only 6'5 something. But yeah having a decent post game is a must for forwards.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

The thing is he may only be good at SEA level.. he's only 6'5 something. But yeah having a decent post game is a must for forwards.

I feel Sangalang would just be like a Danny Ildefonso when the latter played for team Philippines in the 2002 Asian Games. Sa PBA subrang galing si Ildefonso, 2-time PBA MVP & many time member of a champion team. But in Asian basketball, Ildefonso was just a very average player.

Yung skill-set kasi ni Sangalang parang pareho rin kay Ildefonso eh. The perfect skill set for a "four" in the FIBA setting is that of a Ranidel Deocampo. Things would be different though if Sangalang is around 6-foot-8.

 

[IPC2]

I feel Sangalang would just be like a Danny Ildefonso when the latter played for team Philippines in the 2002 Asian Games. Sa PBA subrang galing si Ildefonso, 2-time PBA MVP & many time member of a champion team. But in Asian basketball, Ildefonso was just a very average player.

Yung skill-set kasi ni Sangalang parang pareho rin kay Ildefonso eh. The perfect skill set for a "four" in the FIBA setting is that of a Ranidel Deocampo. Things would be different though if Sangalang is around 6-foot-8.

RDO was actually the complete package offensively as a big, the closest would be Alvin Patrimonio (who actually was better). RDO can post, he can drive, and he can shoot. Good thing we have Tamayo to take over his role, probably be even better, especially considering that Tamayo's more of a combo forward than RDO was (no disrespect meant to one of the most offensively-versatile bigs in the Philippines).

The complete 4 for me would be a 6'7"-6'8" guy with RDO's or Patrimonio's offensive skillset and Ping's defensive versatility. Hopefully we get to see that guy soon. A 6'7"-6'8" version of Danny Ildefonso won't hurt as well.

We have 6'7"-6'8" guys, they're just not trained as fours, e. Well, we have Tamayo, Baltazar, Go, and hopefully Cariño and Matthew Aquino, probably Rangel. That number should ideally increase.

 

[IPC2]

anyway, do we count Bam Adebayo (6'9) as a small ball center? He's a career 15.9% from the 3pt line. But in his defense he has a 7'1 wingspan

I always saw him as a power forward.

He struggled mightily against Gobert in the Olympics.

Props to him though. Still the US' top rebounder. McGee? Wait, he was in the lineup? lol I would have considered DeAndre just because FIBA allows you to tap the ball out once it hits the rim.

^^Also you mentioned Adebayo’s 3 point shooting %, Idk if I understand you right but a big need not be a stretch big for a team to operate on small ball principles. It is paramount the other big is, though or else the “space” part is compromised. Adebayo fills the “pace” part of the equation as he enjoys a significant speed advantage on most non small ball centers. He’s actually a match up problem despite not having a 3 ball as he is adept at playing the perimeter and is strong and big enough to bully most small ball centers.

Bam does have a decent midrange shot, so he can space the floor a bit, which augments his ability to play the perimeter.

He's also an awesome passer and can handle the ball a bit something Ayton and Gobert lacks

Hmm, what bigs do we have that can reasonably replicate Bam's skillset? A 6'7" version, not as athletic by a mile but can play both big positions, has good handles, passing, and a jumper, and an amazing defender who can switch out?

So far, I think the closest is Justine Baltazar. 6'7", can switch, has a good jumper, has played all three frontcourt positions, but could use work on handle and passing. Unfortunately, like Bam, he struggles against bigger post players.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Hmm, what bigs do we have that can reasonably replicate Bam's skillset? A 6'7" version, not as athletic by a mile but can play both big positions, has good handles, passing, and a jumper, and an amazing defender who can switch out?

So far, I think the closest is Justine Baltazar. 6'7", can switch, has a good jumper, has played all three frontcourt positions, but could use work on handle and passing. Unfortunately, like Bam, he struggles against bigger post players.

For Now, Baltazar.

Quiambao maybe. But I need to see him in Gilas first.

Mason Amos may be in the Future

 

[JAMSKIE2]

RDO was actually the complete package offensively as a big, the closest would be Alvin Patrimonio (who actually was better). RDO can post, he can drive, and he can shoot. Good thing we have Tamayo to take over his role, probably be even better, especially considering that Tamayo's more of a combo forward than RDO was (no disrespect meant to one of the most offensively-versatile bigs in the Philippines).

The complete 4 for me would be a 6'7"-6'8" guy with RDO's or Patrimonio's offensive skillset and Ping's defensive versatility. Hopefully we get to see that guy soon. A 6'7"-6'8" version of Danny Ildefonso won't hurt as well.

We have 6'7"-6'8" guys, they're just not trained as fours, e. Well, we have Tamayo, Baltazar, Go, and hopefully Cariño and Matthew Aquino, probably Rangel. That number should ideally increase.

1994 Asian Games Alvin Patrimonio was the best version of Patrimonio as far as international game is concerned. He didn't get intimidated scoring at the shaded lane against opposing bigs who were 3 to 4 inches taller than him. Not too many of our National team players were able to do that. Even 6-time PBA MVP Junmar Fajardo would easily get intimidated scoring against centers of equal height as he is or centers taller by a few inches than him.

 

[IPC2]

1994 Asian Games Alvin Patrimonio was the best version of Patrimonio as far as international game is concerned. He didn't get intimidated scoring at the shaded lane against opposing bigs who were 3 to 4 inches taller than him. Not too many of our National team players were able to do that. Even 6-time PBA MVP Junmar Fajardo would easily get intimidated scoring against centers of equal height as he is or centers taller by a few inches than him.

He had it all, man. He was very skilled down low, and he had a bit of a perimeter game, even a three-ball. He wasn't a bad defender, and he could rebound with the best of them, thanks to the heart that made him "Captain Lionheart." He could also play both forward positions. His only "weakness" was that he was 6'3".

A forumer here said that a 6'8" version of Patrimonio would easily be a Euroleague player. Man, I hope we get that player someday.

 

[IPC2]

For Now, Baltazar.

Quiambao maybe. But I need to see him in Gilas first.

Mason Amos may be in the Future

I hope Quiambao and Raven Cortez accept any Gilas invitations. It's the only chance they have of playing competitive basketball at this point, unless the UAAP basketball season suddenly starts next semester. It would also be great for their development. Malay natin, we might see them be like Baltazar and Tamayo in that they're versatile players who could play both forward positions.

As for Amos, I hope his defense is good. JAMSKIE says that he's a Danny Seigle on offense. If he turns into a versatile defender who can protect the paint and switch, he's a goddamn asset.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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I say a 6-foot-6 Alvin Patrimonio would have taken Danny Ildefonso, Erick Menk, Kerby Raymundo, Ian Sangalang to school. A 6-foot-8 Alvin would have taken Asi Taulava, Junmar Fajardo, Marlou Aquino to school.

 

[IPC2]

I also hope Kobe Demisana gets an invitation to the senior team's camp. He has upside as a 4, and was 6'8" at 16. Wonder if he got taller. If he did, and developed a perimeter skillset (of which there were a few flashes), that would be really nice.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

I also hope Kobe Demisana gets an invitation to the senior team's camp. He has upside as a 4, and was 6'8" at 16. Wonder if he got taller. If he did, and developed a perimeter skillset (of which there were a few flashes), that would be really nice.

https://youtu.be/jfnFAvRamYo - Ramon Salvoro

https://youtu.be/5URcpJD_j2M - Heinz Demisana

I really see Demisana and Salvoro as the same build and type of player. Tall, Skinny, Long, Lefty, Mobile Big.

They are both like 6'7 and 6'8 at 16.

Demisana - UP Juniors

Salvoro - Ateneo De Cebu

Now, it is up to up and ateneo on how to develop and improve them.

They will one of the key factors if both will be a bust or a wow prospect

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

https://youtu.be/llG-CPxVKLU

I hope AJ is 100% healthy when he decides to play again.

His chance of making the Nba is maybe slim, but he will be a huge asset for Gilas. His Defense is very Valuable.

 

[IPC2]

https://youtu.be/jfnFAvRamYo - Ramon Salvoro

https://youtu.be/5URcpJD_j2M - Heinz Demisana

I really see Demisana and Salvoro as the same build and type of player. Tall, Skinny, Long, Lefty, Mobile Big.

They are both like 6'7 and 6'8 at 16.

Demisana - UP Juniors

Salvoro - Ateneo De Cebu

Now, it is up to up and ateneo on how to develop and improve them.

They will one of the key factors if both will be a bust or a wow prospect

I think UPIS once had Javi GDL playing center, but that was due more to him being 6'5". To his credit, he still played like a perimeter player once he was in the collegiate level. I probably think Demisana would develop into a 3/4. Who knows, Goldwyn Monteverde might be giving him some advice and mentoring, similar to what he did for Tamayo and Quiambao.

Salvoro might go to ADMU for college. Good news. Tab might see him as probably a 3/4, similar to how he saw Baltazar, Tamayo, and Ong.

 

[IPC2]

Playing time talaga ang importante in every basketball players.. They can't be develop if they will be benched for the longest time..

Thats want I been saying especially when I saw interviews of players on Mikee Reyes vlog. We need our players to have playing time to develop and be confident. If we throw out the limit on fil fors then some players will not develop. Just like bigs in B League

We are better at developing bigs than Japan.

The import limit makes sense naman. I've always said that our tall bigs should also be given a chance to develop by getting opportunities. Problem is, their opportunities are limited because they often play behind the import. If they're given the chance to play alongside the import as a traditional PF, maybe they could develop. For example, if Erram and Chua, who were the bigs in Mikee's interview, were given the opportunity to play alongside the imports, they might have developed, and even better, learned to play both big positions earlier. Good thing both can now play PF.

Ang problema, the tall big is usually relegated to play behind the import because apart from the import, that tall local 6'6"-6'8" big is the only other available center, so the minutes are often staggered; sometimes the import gets the bulk of the center minutes. That leaves little opportunity for the tall local to play. That's why I've been advocating for young local bigs to play alongside the 6'10"-7-foot import.

That may help our local bigs to be trained at 4, which I think is imperative if they're below 6'9". Doesn't matter kung modern or low-post ang laro, basta kaya mag-4. The import's usually the 5, so the local big has to be taught to play 4.

Sa PBA, well, this is the problem with the All-Filipino system and the height limit. The Erram types (young 6'7"-6'8" hidden gems who have the potential to play 4) won't have the opportunity to play 4 to make them playable alongside bigger imports, whether here or in Japan. They'll only know how to play center, kaya mababangko at mawawalan ng opportunity.

 

[IPC2]

Chiu is like Carino: still raw, but the potential is there. The question is if you want to gamble on him or not.

Hope Chiu can have some good games in future FIBA games. He has some good upside. He fights already on defense and underneath the boards. Furthermore, it is nice that at 6'9"-6'10", he can play both big positions. Helped that he had experience at PF alongside Kai.

Hope he gets opportunities in the WC windows.

 

[IPC2]

Ladis Lepalam is in the Gilas pool, nice. He could still develop into a nice player. Hope that he develops into a big who can play both PF and center.

With this development, there might be a chance for Quiambao and Cortez. I hope they play for Gilas or at least join the pool so they can develop into quality players.

 

[hmbopbaduwap2]

Matt made it to the Japanese pool for the upcoming world cup qualifiers

https://twitter.com/OneSportsPHL/status/1460177682516168706?t=oNxAOunEG__NZw4Oe9Fk-w&s=19

 

[IPC2]

Here's a video on our SF prospects:

Of course, Caelum's here. Two interesting names here are Enzo Schatzel and Jeo Ambohot, both of whom play the 4. Schatzel's described as a wing with the body of a big. Ambohot on the other hand has some mobility and height to play the wing, but I dunno if it would just be unrealized potential, like what happened to Troy.

Another interesting name is JB Bahio, who also plays 4 for Beda, but has the play style of a wing, thanks to Beda's 4-out system (I think someone in another thread referred to him as Oftana-lite). I hope that Beda can replicate that with Rhayyan Amsali, Justine Sanchez, and probably Yukien Andrada (although I'm probably reaching at this point).

Caelum - Too Young. But based on his scouting reports. He can play 1-4. And he is freakishly athletic.

Enzo Schatzel - I am not buying yet that he is a wing. Based on what I saw on him. He is still a big.

Ambohot - No idea

Bahio - No idea also

Yeah, I also don't buy that Enzo's a wing. However, he might be at least decent as a big. He looks talented and skilled enough. Even though he's short, I think his strength and skill will be more than enough to compensate. Let's hope he pans out for Gilas.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Matt made it to the Japanese pool for the upcoming world cup qualifiers

https://twitter.com/OneSportsPHL/status/1460177682516168706?t=oNxAOunEG__NZw4Oe9Fk-w&s=19

To be honest, Matt may not have an opportunity to play for Gilas. Oyr Bigs are getting stacked. Though, I hope he stayed for us rather than Japan in National Team.hehw