Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[JAMSKIE2]

And to think that's post his prime and almost retired Kelly na. Prime Kelly was like a decade ago pa before JF came into the league..

I think it's Abueva who's gonna give them a bigger problem. Who are they gonna put on him? He's too strong and athletic for Pogoy and too quick for the bigger guys. They really should have kept one of Semerad or Trollano..

Come to think of it, Kelly Williams is already 39, yet he plays like 29 yrs old. It seems he hasn't lost quickness, agility & hoops after all these years. Maybe the fact that Kelly missed a No. of seasons in the PBA & had some incomplete seasons in the PBA becoz of a blood disorder have somewhat preserved his mileage. Kumbaga eh, Kelly hasn't been subjected to so much wear & tear in his career.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Officially date stamp engagement with DFA on subject of processing passport. that's the key .. It all adds up to supporting one's case if passport is issued after date of birth. (not saying it's automatic that it will be accepted, but it definitely helps)

In short, mas mabuti pa rin yung nakaka siguro that the player has secured a Philippine passport in his hand prior to his 16th birthday para wala ng kung anong problema pa. Mas mabuti na nasa kamay na nya yung Phi passport before his 16th b-day.

 

[DAdmiral2]

In short, mas mabuti pa rin yung nakaka siguro that the player has secured a Philippine passport in his hand prior to his 16th birthday para wala ng kung anong problema pa. Mas mabuti na nasa kamay na nya yung Phi passport before his 16th b-day.

Yes definitly better to have passport before 16 years old, if not it comes down to a "reasonable " documented evidence that processing after filing was with reasonable time and circumstances. Obviously not all cases are similar, (case to case), what worked for one doesn't necessarily mean will wok for another.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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That is why if we can spot a 15-year old Fil-foreign prospect, it would be better that SBP people convince the parents & the kid to apply for Phi passport at least 7 months before the kid turns 16 yrs old. I know its easier said than done. If I'm not mistaken, Jayden Harper applied Phi passport about 2 or 3 months before his 16th birthday (I stand corrected by this). Ayan tuloy hindi nakahabol. Eh si Caelum Harris nga parang muntik muntikan nang di nakahabol. Good thing Caelum made it in time.

 

[C2Hamm2]

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That is why if we can spot a 15-year old Fil-foreign prospect, it would be better that SBP people convince the parents & the kid to apply for Phi passport at least 7 months before the kid turns 16 yrs old. I know its easier said than done. If I'm not mistaken, Jayden Harper applied Phi passport about 2 or 3 months before his 16th birthday (I stand corrected by this). Ayan tuloy hindi nakahabol. Eh si Caelum Harris nga parang muntik muntikan nang di nakahabol. Good thing Caelum made it in time.

hard to say. do all of these kids (and their family) have all the docs needed at hand? if not, then that's another problem. do these families have any demand(auto part of, atleast, the youth team)? i dont know if that happens but i actually dont see it as unreasonable given SBP is the one who is chasing them. there might be other reasons, so simply asking SBP to chase someone, wont necessarily mean those families be able to apply. then there is also, are we going to chase just anyone? or do we chase someone who fits a player profile that SBP wants? that sounds better but some kids may be late bloomers, baka mahuli ulit.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

hard to say. do all of these kids (and their family) have all the docs needed at hand? if not, then that's another problem. do these families have any demand(auto part of, atleast, the youth team)? i dont know if that happens but i actually dont see it as unreasonable given SBP is the one who is chasing them. there might be other reasons, so simply asking SBP to chase someone, wont necessarily mean those families be able to apply. then there is also, are we going to chase just anyone? or do we chase someone who fits a player profile that SBP wants? that sounds better but some kids may be late bloomers, baka mahuli ulit.

Great points bro. That's why I said, its easier said than done. I know its not easy, to say the least. My point is, if for instance SBP spots a prospect (15 or 14 year old kid) exhibiting some promise & the parents & the kid would show interest, SBP should emphasize to the parents & the kid that time is of the essence. That they have to get their acts ASAP becoz acting later might be a little too late. Huwag na silang maghintay na, halimbawa the kid's 16th birthday is 4 months away, eh saka pa lang sila magsisimulang gumalaw. It might be a little too late already. Kung pwede, mga 8 months prior to the kid's 16th birthday, gumalaw na kaagad ang mga parents & the kid to facilitate everything.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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In the case of Jayden Harper, I can't help but regret & wish that sana his parents have acted a little earlier - say 1 or 2 months earlier. Sana!

Another "sayang" case.

 

[IPC2]

2 rebounds 1 assist in 8 minutes of play for Kemark Carino's division 2 debut

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/aomori-fails-to-get-job-done-late-spoils-carino-debut-a2437-20211023?ref=home_custom_widget_1

Is he playing as a PF/C? Honestly, I don't see how his frame can go up against those bigger imports of the B. League.

He got eaten alive by Jakrawan for gods sake.

He's listed as a PF. I do hope he gets reps there, though. That might help make him more useful for Gilas if ever.

I hope so. At least a reliable stretch 4.

No way he's going to improve in the PBA.

JP Erram?

I think this is with regard to playing the 4 and switching to the perimeter, which I saw Erram do with some regularity only recently with Chot. Kasi, in the PBA, doesn't matter if you can play 4. Once you're the tallest, you're automatically the 5, especially in the All-Filipino.

Our tallest bigs are 6'6"-6'8". That can be feasible for at least the 4 slot. I hope they consistently get the opportunity to play the 4. That can happen in college, next to taller imports. Sana sa PBA rin. Take out the import height limit.

 

[interxavierxxx2]

Your opinions on Geo Chiu? Do you see him as purely a low-post player (like Junemar) or more than that?

Under Ateneo, I see Geo being a stretch-5 who is strong on the low post but can also hit jumpers/3s like Aron Baynes.

Chiu’s physique is fit for this as he is not easily pushed by other international bigs. Just needs improvement on his low post moves and shooting touch.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Your opinions on Geo Chiu? Do you see him as purely a low-post player (like Junemar) or more than that?

Under Ateneo, I see Geo being a stretch-5 who is strong on the low post but can also hit jumpers/3s like Aron Baynes.

Chiu’s physique is fit for this as he is not easily pushed by other international bigs. Just needs improvement on his low post moves and shooting touch.

Maybe I'm just a bad coach, I have a 6' 9 big in my Uni team , who can shoot 3's at low %, at the end my most effective lineup was using a 6' 6 forward a center with a versatile strong 6' 3 player at 4. and with 3 guard. that's what worked for me .

 

[Rodbi2]

Your opinions on Geo Chiu? Do you see him as purely a low-post player (like Junemar) or more than that?

Under Ateneo, I see Geo being a stretch-5 who is strong on the low post but can also hit jumpers/3s like Aron Baynes.

Chiu’s physique is fit for this as he is not easily pushed by other international bigs. Just needs improvement on his low post moves and shooting touch.

Right now, I see him as a bigger version of Justin Chua, but for sure he can surpass that. He just needs continuous exposure playing with the older guys in Gilas practices. Even if he doesn't pan out to having a game like Baynes' in his peak, him having a ceiling closer to that of GS's would be already a success for PHL basketball.

 

[alfrancis2]

Right now, I see him as a bigger version of Justin Chua, but for sure he can surpass that. He just needs continuous exposure playing with the older guys in Gilas practices. Even if he doesn't pan out to having a game like Baynes' in his peak, him having a ceiling closer to that of GS's would be already a success for PHL basketball.

I hope to see him developed in to a 6'9 bruiser with low post moves and a shooting like isaac Go. We need another big who can relieve Kai and Edu

 

[Rodbi2]

I hope to see him developed in to a 6'9 bruiser with low post moves and a shooting like isaac Go. We need another big who can relieve Kai and Edu

That would be a very welcomed sight. There's a lot of homegrown players, past and present, that he and other bigs of the same size can model their play styles on.

 

[DAdmiral2]

https://fb.watch/8TZZuh6rxe/

This is why playing a low post traditional center today , does not always work..

 

[IPC2]

https://fb.watch/8TZZuh6rxe/

This is why playing a low post traditional center today , does not always work..

Depends if that guy can shoot. The Lakers right now, they have spacing issues, and starting DeAndre Jordan alongside Russell Westbrook is gonna create more issues. It's also why the pair of Japeth and Standhardinger hasn't worked so far in the PBA.

On the other hand, you have guys like Jokić, Embiid, and Vučević. They are also traditional low-post centers, but they can at least space the floor.

As for us, we have guys like Kouame, who's a traditional post big, but he can space the floor, which is why Gilas won't have many spacing issues.

 

[PeeZones2]

Depends if that guy can shoot. The Lakers right now, they have spacing issues, and starting DeAndre Jordan alongside Russell Westbrook is gonna create more issues. It's also why the pair of Japeth and Standhardinger hasn't worked so far in the PBA.

On the other hand, you have guys like Jokić, Embiid, and Vučević. They are also traditional low-post centers, but they can at least space the floor.

As for us, we have guys like Kouame, who's a traditional post big, but he can space the floor, which is why Gilas won't have many spacing issues.

You only need skilled and high IQ bigs and they will know what to do. Those you mention were all very skilled and high IQ. What is ailing LA is that most players arent really great with bball IQ. they look lost and out of touch. You could trade athleticism over IQ anytime. What is the use of athleticism if you dont know what to do?lol LA without lebron is like running headless.

 

[IPC2]

Your opinions on Geo Chiu? Do you see him as purely a low-post player (like Junemar) or more than that?

Under Ateneo, I see Geo being a stretch-5 who is strong on the low post but can also hit jumpers/3s like Aron Baynes.

Chiu’s physique is fit for this as he is not easily pushed by other international bigs. Just needs improvement on his low post moves and shooting touch.

The kid fights inside. He just needs to develop strength, which is possible kasi bata pa siya.

Baynes with a post skillset seems reasonable. Hopefully he develops that post game and shooting. Defense is there, e.

 

[IPC2]

According to the article Shinshu management is willing to invest on his development thus, the 3 year contract, so yeah expect Matt to sit a lot this year as he is a project for Shinshu

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/matt-aquino-signs-three-year-deal-with-b1-team-shinshu-brave-warriors/221798

Shinshu, which was promoted to B1 two years ago, is willing to invest in Aquino’s development.

And the only way Aquino will repay the trust given to him is by improving every day.

“Dun kami nagulat dun sa three-year offer,” he said. “Right now, the goal is to improve every day and take it step-by-step. I just want to improve myself and madami pa ako kailangang patunayan, hindi lang sa iba, kung hindi sa sarili ko.

I hope Shinshu really invests in his development. We might have a potential big in our hands if he develops and improves.

It could actually be the other way around, maybe Japan will enlist Matthew Aquino to their NT if he marks tremendous improvement (it's their league developing him after all). A poster mentioned that he could be another Atsuya Ota, an NT mainstay and insurance big. That's his ceiling right now, especially with Japan's main bigs, Rui and Watanabe, only available in major tournaments.

It's fine for me if he decides to represent Japan NT since he is not really considered to play for Gilas. You know, Gilas, despite being a "short" team, is not really that short.

Just look at the depth of bigmen:

Sotto
Kouame
Edu
Chiu
Go
Rangel
Baltazar
Tamayo
Erram
Almazan
Ong
Cariño

This list pertains only to the MVP and Gilas staple. I'm not including those in the SMC and other groups. In comparison, Japan, outside Hachimura, Watanabe, Hoghland, Schafer and Edwards/Rossiter, does not have much bigs.

At least we're not shallow in terms of 6'7"+ bigs. The only thing we have to do now is train them to play both bigman positions, meaing playing the 4 as well as the 5. Hopefully the number in this lists increase as well.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

The kid fights inside. He just needs to develop strength, which is possible kasi bata pa siya.

Baynes with a post skillset seems reasonable. Hopefully he develops that post game and shooting. Defense is there, e.

He needs to develop his physique. He could still become a little more athletic if he he sheds some weight and develop his muscles

 

[IPC2]

You only need skilled and high IQ bigs and they will know what to do. Those you mention were all very skilled and high IQ. What is ailing LA is that most players arent really great with bball IQ. they look lost and out of touch. You could trade athleticism over IQ anytime. What is the use of athleticism if you dont know what to do?lol LA without lebron is like running headless.

You might still need a little athleticism for defense, though I still think defense is more about anticipation and effort than athletic gifts. However, athletic gifts matter a little more when you're playing in the forward and center positions, but as for PF and C, height matters, well if you're traditionally-minded.