Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[ARMIR2]

A long time ago,posters here including I,thought that by this time we're all gonna see a dozen 6'8-6'9 guys as athletic or better Japhet Aguilar clones.We are producing more 6'8 or taller guys but that heignt is now still as athletic as JA.At least now we're starting to see more guys above 6'2 and even 6'5 will play guard and the standard height for the 3 position is 6'6 or above.One look at Geo who at 6'10 is just slightly athletic than Junmar and the rest of guys with similar height or taller are the same.

 

[C2Hamm2]

A long time ago,posters here including I,thought that by this time we're all gonna see a dozen 6'8-6'9 guys as athletic or better Japhet Aguilar clones.We are producing more 6'8 or taller guys but that heignt is now still as athletic as JA.At least now we're starting to see more guys above 6'2 and even 6'5 will play guard and the standard height for the 3 position is 6'6 or above.One look at Geo who at 6'10 is just slightly athletic than Junmar and the rest of guys with similar height or taller are the same.

where would these kids be coming from? JA is more of an exception rather than the rule. won't it be more achievable to hope that there would be taller kids, but play differently that it works with their physical gifts and not fans thinking they'll play like our favorite NBA players or players we watch at the highest FIBA games?

 

[BJ_Reloaded]

As my wishful thinking all along, a two or three 6’8 – 6’9 version of a Freddie Abuda and Nic Belasco and hopefully two 6’6 – 6’7 version of a Rip Hamilton and a Klay Thompson is a dream come true if the purpose is to play for the medal round on 2027 and beyond…Good thing coach Jong was part of coach TB’s coaching staff because he knows how valuable those first two I mentioned in a team moving forward.

 

[tomcat2]

As my wishful thinking all along, a two or three 6’8 – 6’9 version of a Freddie Abuda and Nic Belasco and hopefully two 6’6 – 6’7 version of a Rip Hamilton and a Klay Thompson is a dream come true if the purpose is to play for the medal round on 2027 and beyond…Good thing coach Jong was part of coach TB’s coaching staff because he knows how valuable those first two I mentioned in a team moving forward.

two or three 6’8 – 6’9 version of a Freddie Abuda and Nic Belasco;
- AJ Edu
- Caelum Harris
- Mason Amos

and hopefully two 6’6 – 6’7 version of a Rip Hamilton and a Klay Thompson;
- Jayden Harper
- Femi Edu
- CJ Amos
- Francis Lopez

 

[BJ_Reloaded]

two or three 6’8 – 6’9 version of a Freddie Abuda and Nic Belasco;
- AJ Edu
- Caelum Harris
- Mason Amos

and hopefully two 6’6 – 6’7 version of a Rip Hamilton and a Klay Thompson;
- Jayden Harper
- Femi Edu
- CJ Amos
- Francis Lopez

Yup Sir Tom..how I wish those kids maximize their true potentials and become ballers we are longing for..imagine your role player has a decent outside shooting, those so called piso-piso shot of Abuda/Bel asco during the late 90’s version of SMB is really a site to behold. Those intangibles or out of the basketball statistics are the key to be successful internationally and those players are the epitome of what I’m saying, then when you put a two way player like a Rip Hamilton and a Klay Thompson who doesn’t have an off night in the defensive end. Wow it’s a dandy if we play the US dream team, the Greak Freak and his team, the Espanyoles, the Les Bleus, the Boomers among others because they are very much bothered by the Gilas defense, it’s intangibles, it’s very consistent piso-piso shot and the continuous grinding all game long, now, If that’s the Basketball Philosophy of the Gilas team then we truly deserve playing in the medal rounds when that time comes.

 

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[IPC2]

While it's good to have a sterch 4 or combo forward like Baltazar.
I'm wondering how feasible is it to develop an athletic 6'7 /6'8 active defensive though big like a Rodman? Or a 6 7 Ping to me is a missing piece for Gilas, we lack the thoughness.

Man, I really hope we get a 6'6"-6'7" version of Ping. I'm fine if that guy is less athletic, so long as he is quick enough to guard opposing PFs.

As for stretch fours, the role is not exactly mutually exclusive with tough defensive big, and vice versa. Rasheed Wallace, for one. Here, we have Nic Belasco. But it is rare to see someone do well in both roles.

 

[IPC2]

i think he (they) meant more of a player's developmental coach; Alvin training big men and the likes.

It's a bit sad that we are not able to produce the prototypical 90s PF anymore-- Patrimonio and Asaytono type of scorers and/or skill set. When was the last time we saw these kind of big men? RDO is of that dying breed but after him there's no one in the PBA who falls in this category.

Patrimonio was a 6'3 player with Kevin McHale's post moves, loved getting his points with his back to the basket. Remember watching a game on TV where he did a 180 dunk. He only added an outside shot to his arsenal towards the latter part of his career which coincided with the arrivals of the bigger fil-ams.

As for the topic of a big man coach for these young ones, assuming they reach a height of at least 6'9, I'd give my vote to Kerby Raymundo. In case it's imperative for these kids are to be trained as big men at their current height of 6'7, it might be more wise to develop them into Paul Millsap/Amare Stoudemire types. At least they can still make it to the next level even if they stop growing. I don't think we have a potential local big man coach whose game is similar to them though.

If our bigs train for even one window, it will greatly improve their play and may unlock skills they never knew they had. And they might be able to play the 4, which again, is the best position for them if they want to dominate the post. For Demisana and Salvoro, hell even 3 (based on the skill videos).

Our bigs will be our greatest asset in Gilas, at least in Asian basketball. It's good that bigman play was never set aside here in the Philippines. Now if we make most of our tall bigs able to play the 4, they can still play big internationally.

It would be nice to have some 6'7"-6'8" big with Alvin Patrimonio's skillset and could play the 4.

a 6'8 Patrimonio would at least be in the Euroleague.

Man, I really hope we get a 6'6"-6'8" version of Alvin Patrimonio. Patrimonio is the dream big for me, at least from the 4 spot. Strong presence in the low block on both ends, great hustler, a bit athletic (he could dunk) but not that athletic, good midrange shot (which he successfully extended to the 3-point area later on), great leader.

 

[Rodbi]

Man, I really hope we get a 6'6"-6'8" version of Alvin Patrimonio. Patrimonio is the dream big for me, at least from the 4 spot. Strong presence in the low block on both ends, great hustler, a bit athletic (he could dunk) but not that athletic, good midrange shot (which he successfully extended to the 3-point area later on), great leader.

Maybe it's just me but don't we already have that type in Carl Tamayo?

 

[alfrancis]

Maybe it's just me but don't we already have that type in Carl Tamayo?

Man, if we have Carl Tamayo during Patrimonio's era is a monster. I imagine him toying around Codinera, Realubit and other bigmen. PF's like Patrimonio, Asaytono, Alvin Teng, Dignadice would be way undersized for him.

 

[dubidub]

Man, if we have Carl Tamayo during Patrimonio's era is a monster. I imagine him toying around Codinera, Realubit and other bigmen. PF's like Patrimonio, Asaytono, Alvin Teng, Dignadice would be way undersized for him.

I don't think he could've defended Asaytono though. hehe too strong and crafty.

 

[ja.he]

Man, if we have Carl Tamayo during Patrimonio's era is a monster. I imagine him toying around Codinera, Realubit and other bigmen. PF's like Patrimonio, Asaytono, Alvin Teng, Dignadice would be way undersized for him.

We could have fared better in the 1990, 1994, and 1998 Asian Games.

 

[IPC2]

Maybe it's just me but don't we already have that type in Carl Tamayo?

Just needs a little more leadership and defense, but that will come with experience. He's assertive and tough, which is a start.

 

[IPC2]

They should have been getting a cue on how Tab Baldwin is utilizing tall players at the same time.

Yeah, Tab even plays Go and sometimes Chiu at 4 alongside Kouame. He often has either of Go, Tamayo, Baltazar, and Chiu, all of them standing at least 6'7", play the 4.

I hope local youth and college coaches take the hint, especially when they have a promising 6'7"-6'8" big. In my view, it's important that bigs of that size are able to be developed to at least play 4, traditional man 'yan or otherwise.

 

[Rodbi]

Yeah, Tab even plays Go and sometimes Chiu at 4 alongside Kouame. He often has either of Go, Tamayo, Baltazar, and Chiu, all of them standing at least 6'7", play the 4.

I hope local youth and college coaches take the hint, especially when they have a promising 6'7"-6'8" big. In my view, it's important that bigs of that size are able to be developed to at least play 4, traditional man 'yan or otherwise.

I agree. I'll even lower the limit to the currently prevailing "big" height of 6'5". Guys above that height should aspire to have body build and play style similar to Oftana's who now has decent enough handles and perimeter game, but should still have skills in the post, like Tamayo.

Pinoy bigs should not bulk up too much as it would just limit their mobility and stunt their athleticism, but if they are JMF/Greggy boy-big (basically 6'9" and taller), then I guess it's alright to fill up but not to point where they will end up with higher risk to get seriously injured like the former.

 

[ARMIR2]

I agree. I'll even lower the limit to the currently prevailing "big" height of 6'5". Guys above that height should aspire to have body build and play style similar to Oftana's who now has decent enough handles and perimeter game, but should still have skills in the post, like Tamayo.

Pinoy bigs should not bulk up too much as it would just limit their mobility and stunt their athleticism, but if they are JMF/Greggy boy-big (basically 6'9" and taller), then I guess it's alright to fill up but not to point where they will end up with higher risk to get seriously injured like the former.

Tamayo just got scouted,he's a 2 1/2 star,I thought he's a solid 3 or 3.5 at least.I believe he's good enough to be a top tier player in US Div2 at least.

 

[Rodbi]

Tamayo just got scouted,he's a 2 1/2 star,I thought he's a solid 3 or 3.5 at least.I believe he's good enough to be a top tier player in US Div2 at least.

His performance in the recent Gilas international games really did well for his stock, especially after showing wing potential in that size and frame of his.

Nowhere to go but up for that kid i believe.

 

[IPC2]

His performance in the recent Gilas international games really did well for his stock, especially after showing wing potential in that size and frame of his.

Nowhere to go but up for that kid i believe.

Hopefully he can get stronger and work on his jumping so that he can more effectively play the 4. However, if he can, at the same time he should work on his lateral quickness to play the 3. We'll need his versatility and strength in the coming years.

 

[IPC2]

But If the bigs are only just 6'5 to 6'7 then wag nalang.. that 6'5 - 6'7 range should be a wing or a stretch 4 (ala RDO).. 6'9 should be the minimum height for a big man.. But bigs should be good at defending the perimeter, so that if switching happens or if a offensive big man has a shooting from the outside, He will have easy time to defend.. Our current bigs are slow to defend perimeters (Junmar, Greg, Japeth and Geo).. Although the 4 that i mentioned, Greg has that potential to be a good perimeter defender (Looking back at the game winning block against Norwood & ROS)...

For 6'5"-6'6", kaya pa ang wing, like Oftana, Javi, Navarro, Kobe Paras, LeBron Lopez. 6'7" pataas, that's a big more often than not. Genetics, e. General rule for most Pinoys. But yeah, there's a slight chance for guys that size to be able to play and at least switch to the perimeter.

However, for bigs that are 6'7"-6'8", ideally we develop them into bigs who can play both 4 and 5, whether they have a traditional or modern skillset. As for being able to switch to the perimeter, I agree, but we haven't seen many bigs that can switch outside Baltazar and Tamayo. Chiu has played the 4 alongside Kouame. Bata pa, so he might have a chance if he can develop his lateral quickness and anticipation.

I hope the likes of Kurt Perciano, Kobe Demisana, Ramon Salvoro, and maybe Kemark Cariño are able to play the 4.

 

[DAdmiral]

Fotu is only around 6' 8 really, if you can play like this, that will be sufficient for Gilas , honestly . especially alongside or substituting with Kouame

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