Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[DAdmiral2]

Troy has the physical traits.. if he bulks up , ( think Rodman lean pistons transformed to Bulls tough big Rodman), of course you have to change Troy's mental mindset, like he has to throw an elbow or two.. but the activity and physical raw traits are actually there.

BTW it's not just being physical, you need to be active and mobile, throwing dirty elbows isn't the idea , it's interior defensive presence and being able to rotate and be at the right spots for rebounds and covering

BTW this trait , is the advantage Baltazar has over Tamayo.. (it's activity and reaction reflexes..) by BTW while RDO was tough , he was kind of a liability defensively at the 4 spot at the world stage.. ( just being honest, he didn't have the physical gifts)

 

[IPC2]

Troy has the physical traits.. if he bulks up , ( think Rodman lean pistons transformed to Bulls tough big Rodman), of course you have to change Troy's mental mindset, like he has to throw an elbow or two.. but the activity and physical raw traits are actually there.

BTW it's not just being physical, you need to be active and mobile, throwing dirty elbows isn't the idea , it's interior defensive presence and being able to rotate and be at the right spots for rebounds and covering

BTW this trait , is the advantage Baltazar has over Tamayo.. (it's activity and reaction reflexes..) by BTW while RDO was tough , he was kind of a liability defensively at the 4 spot at the world stage.. ( just being honest, he didn't have the physical gifts)

Yeah, Troy is active. He's a good offensive rebounder. Just needed to translate that on defense. Can he develop his defense at 29?

On defense, you need mobility, but also timing and anticipation in regards to team defense.

I think we might have mobile 6'7"-6'8" players who can replicate Ping's mobility. Quiambao, Raven Cortez. I only hope there are more.

 

[ja.he2]

Troy has the physical traits.. if he bulks up , ( think Rodman lean pistons transformed to Bulls tough big Rodman), of course you have to change Troy's mental mindset, like he has to throw an elbow or two.. but the activity and physical raw traits are actually there.

BTW it's not just being physical, you need to be active and mobile, throwing dirty elbows isn't the idea , it's interior defensive presence and being able to rotate and be at the right spots for rebounds and covering

BTW this trait , is the advantage Baltazar has over Tamayo.. (it's activity and reaction reflexes..) by BTW while RDO was tough , he was kind of a liability defensively at the 4 spot at the world stage.. ( just being honest, he didn't have the physical gifts)

If that's the case, I will include Tratter and Kobe Paras then. Both players are around 6'6 and has the leaping ability. What they need is the swagger and toughness of Pingris. That's it.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

If that's the case, I will include Tratter and Kobe Paras then. Both players are around 6'6 and has the leaping ability. What they need is the swagger and toughness of Pingris. That's it.

I like Tratter. I remember coach Chot picked him for Gilas in the 2nd window 2019 FIBA World Cup qualifiers. Tratter however is not that young anymore (28 yo).

 

[DAdmiral2]

If that's the case, I will include Tratter and Kobe Paras then. Both players are around 6'6 and has the leaping ability. What they need is the swagger and toughness of Pingris. That's it.

That is actually the idea, you need the basic raw material as starting point, they have to be mobile and active enough, the next is off course all mental...
so that's my point of my question, can we develop a 6' 7 Ping basically. harnessing the raw material and training him mentally to love defense and dirty work

 

[ja.he2]

I like Tratter. I remember coach Chot picked him for Gilas in the 2nd window 2019 FIBA World Cup qualifiers. Tratter however is not that young anymore (28 yo).

Well, it is better to have a material to start with than nothing. Besides, Tratter is just 28. He has a good 3-4 years for the national team. If we got Pingris in Gilas at age 32, why not Tratter?

 

[IPC2]

While it's good to have a sterch 4 or combo forward like Baltazar.
I'm wondering how feasible is it to develop an athletic 6'7 /6'8 active defensive though big like a Rodman? Or a 6 7 Ping to me is a missing piece for Gilas, we lack the thoughness.

Actually, we have some toughness with Tamayo. But yeah, more tough big guys would help. A bigger Ping or a bigger RDO with better defense would be nice.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Actually, we have some toughness with Tamayo. But yeah, more tough big guys would help. A bigger Ping or a bigger RDO with better defense would be nice.

Baltazar also plays with some toughness.

 

[IPC2]

Baltazar also plays with some toughness.

Yeah, he's tough, and deceptively strong despite his frame. Hopefully he can improve further his ability to defend the post while not compromising his ability to switch.

 

[tomcat2]

While it's good to have a sterch 4 or combo forward like Baltazar.
I'm wondering how feasible is it to develop an athletic 6'7 /6'8 active defensive though big like a Rodman? Or a 6 7 Ping to me is a missing piece for Gilas, we lack the thoughness.

Hard times made Marc Pingris stronger and tough. His French father abandoned him and his Filipino mother very early in his childhood, leaving them basically with nothing. His mother was a vendor in a wet market and Pringris as a kid helped her selling fruits, fish and whatever you could think of. They were so poor that they had no place to live in. They slept right in the market. Marc Pingris had a thin piece of sack which he laid on the floor and that was his bed in the marketplace.

 

[live_evil2]

Hard times made Marc Pingris stronger and tough. His French father abandoned him and his Filipino mother very early in his childhood, leaving them basically with nothing. His mother was a vendor in a wet market and Pringris as a kid helped her selling fruits, fish and whatever you could think of. They were so poor that they had no place to live in. They slept right in the market. Marc Pingris had a thin piece of sack which he laid on the floor and that was his bed in the marketplace.

which is the opposite experience of Kobe Paras, a life of fame and luxury. Combine Kobe's gifts with Ping's grit and you have an NBA player.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

which is the opposite experience of Kobe Paras, a life of fame and luxury. Combine Kobe's gifts with Ping's grit and you have an NBA player.

Agree.
I have this feeling that Paras seem to have not worked on the basic fundamentals of the game - ball handling & shooting, becoz he thinks that his athleticism & size (good size small forward) would more than compensate for such shortcomings.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Well, it is better to have a material to start with than nothing. Besides, Tratter is just 28. He has a good 3-4 years for the national team. If we got Pingris in Gilas at age 32, why not Tratter?

Ok.

BTW, isn't Tratter psrt of the "23 for 2023" Gilas cadet pool way back 2018? How time flies so fast as right now parang wala ng relevance si Tratter sa current Gilas pool.

I can't help but wish that if only some of Tratter's athleticis would have gone to Carl Tamayo. That would be great sana.

 

[IPC2]

Ok.

BTW, isn't Tratter psrt of the "23 for 2023" Gilas cadet pool way back 2018? How time flies so fast as right now parang wala ng relevance si Tratter sa current Gilas pool.

I can't help but wish that if only some of Tratter's athleticis would have gone to Carl Tamayo. That would be great sana.

Yeah, he was part of the 23 for 2023 lineup. Shame that many of the players there couldn't play for Gilas. Most of the bigs there, however, have played at least one game for Gilas, Tratter being one of them.

Man, Tratter could have been a nice small-ball four for Gilas, a legitimate combo forward. He had some speed and athleticism to go along with his strength, which might make him as viable as Ping in the 4-spot. Hope he can still develop his defense like Ping did. He's already a decent offensive player, with a good post game and a midrange shot.

 

[IPC2]

While it's good to have a sterch 4 or combo forward like Baltazar.
I'm wondering how feasible is it to develop an athletic 6'7 /6'8 active defensive though big like a Rodman? Or a 6 7 Ping to me is a missing piece for Gilas, we lack the thoughness.

Will some of these guys highlighted in bold cut it as a 6'7"-6'8" active defensive tough big?

SBP should monitor these tall Young guys in preparation for FIBA 2023 world cup
7’0”Jay Pangalangan, 22yrsOld
6’10”Geo Chiu, 20yrsOld
6’9”Kenmark Cariño,23yrsOld
6’9”Jimly Lantaya,20yrsOld
6’9”Ladis Lepalam, 20yrsOld
6’9”Matthew Aquino, 23yrsOld
6’9”Arman Demigaya,24yrsOld
6’8”Justin Baltazar, 23yrsOld
6’8”Raven Cortez, 18yrsOld
6’8”Carl Tamayo, 20yrsOld
6’8”Kevin Quiambao, 20yrsOld
6’8”Erlan Umpad, 21yrsOld
6’8”Kyle Ong, 19yrsOld
6’8”Kobe Demisana, 16yrsOld
6’8”Clifford Jopia, 22yrsOld
6’8”Raphael Reyes, 17yrsOld
6’8”Kurt Perciano, 17yrsOld
6’7”Basti Reyes, 16yrsOld
6’7”Dave Ando, 21yrsOld
6’7”Tzaddy Rangel, 23yrsOld
6’7”Jeo Ambohot,24yrsOld
6’7” Seven Gagate, 17yrsOld
6’6”Lebron Lopez, 18yrsOld
6’6”Justin Araña ,22yrsOld
6’6”Aaron Fermin,22yrsOld
6’6”Kobe Paras, 23yrsOld
6’6”Lowell Briones,18yrsOld
6’6”Luke Tobias, 18 yrsOld
6’6”Zain Mamood,18yrsOld
6’5”Jonnel Policarpio,19yrsOld
6’5”Aaron Buensalida,19yrsOld
6’5”Jordi Gomez De Liano,18yrsOld
6’5”Antonio Eusebio,19yrsOld
6’5”Joshua Lazaro, 18yrsOld
6’5”Aldous Torculas, 17yrsOld

 

[DAdmiral2]

Fans normally don't associate hustle and having a high motor with being talented.. i think it's part of talent.. as it is really rare to have this trait. if can find a decent size and mobile player that has that trait ( hard worker and high motor) that is special

 

[alfrancis2]

Fans normally don't associate hustle and having a high motor with being talented.. i think it's part of talent.. as it is really rare to have this trait. if can find a decent size and mobile player that has that trait ( hard worker and high motor) that is special

Probably, a more realistic is a 6'7-6'8 Nick Belasco or Abuda type of player.

 

[tomcat2]

Fans normally don't associate hustle and having a high motor with being talented.. i think it's part of talent.. as it is really rare to have this trait. if can find a decent size and mobile player that has that trait ( hard worker and high motor) that is special

Calvin Abueva
Marc Pingris
Rudy Hatfield
Sean Anthony
Scottie Thompson
Hanamichi Sakuragi

 

[IPC2]

Calvin Abueva
Marc Pingris
Rudy Hatfield
Sean Anthony
Scottie Thompson
Hanamichi Sakuragi

We'll need a 6'7"-6'8" version of these people. If not possible, kahit 6'6" lang. Kahit hustle lang, one who fights for rebounds and has a good nose for the ball, kahit 'di gaano ka-athletic.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

We'll need a 6'7"-6'8" version of these people. If not possible, kahit 6'6" lang. Kahit hustle lang, one who fights for rebounds and has a good nose for the ball, kahit 'di gaano ka-athletic.

Yeah, a 2 to 3 inches height upgrade of the players mentioned would have a significant impact in their games. A 6-foot-6/6-foot-7 version of Mark Pingris would be a beast in Asian basketball. A 6-4 Calvin Abueva would be a big headache by opponents in Asian basketball specially the 2015 version of Abueva.

I'm a believer that even a few height increase by a player will have a significant effect in his capabilities.